Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Wonderful overlooked fact about Obamacare--it will curtail mandatory alternative medicine coverage! [View all]Godhumor
(6,437 posts)67. Sure
http://nccam.nih.gov/health/whatiscam
Defining CAM is difficult, because the field is very broad and constantly changing. NCCAM defines CAM as a group of diverse medical and health care systems, practices, and products that are not generally considered part of conventional medicine. Conventional medicine (also called Western or allopathic medicine) is medicine as practiced by holders of M.D. (medical doctor) and D.O. (doctor of osteopathic medicineDoctors of Osteopathic Medicine (DOs) are fully licensed physicians. They provide a full range of services, from prescribing drugs to performing surgery, and employ a "whole person" approach to health care. DOs focus special attention on the musculoskeletal system, a system of bones and muscles that makes up about two-thirds of the body's mass. They may use osteopathic manipulative treatment, a system of manual therapy, to treat mechanical strains affecting all aspects of the anatomy, relieve pain, and improve physiologic function.) degrees and by allied health professionals, such as physical therapists, psychologists, and registered nurses. The boundaries between CAM and conventional medicine are not absolute, and specific CAM practices may, over time, become widely accepted.
"Complementary medicine" refers to use of CAM together with conventional medicine, such as using acupunctureA family of procedures that originated in traditional Chinese medicine. Acupuncture is the stimulation of specific points on the body by a variety of techniques, including the insertion of thin metal needles though the skin. It is intended to remove blockages in the flow of qi and restore and maintain health. in addition to usual care to help lessen pain. Most use of CAM by Americans is complementary. "Alternative medicine" refers to use of CAM in place of conventional medicine. "Integrative medicine" combines treatments from conventional medicine and CAM for which there is some high-quality evidence of safety and effectiveness. It is also called integrated medicine.
...
Rigorous, well-designed clinical trials for many CAM therapies are often lacking; therefore, the safety and effectiveness of many CAM therapies are uncertain. NCCAM is sponsoring research designed to fill this knowledge gap by building a scientific evidence base about CAM therapieswhether they are safe; and whether they work for the conditions for which people use them and, if so, how they work.
-------------------
To boil it down, CAM is used alongside with or instead of conventional medicine though not meeting scientific rigor. If they work and if they are a valid treatment that should be in widespread use they become conventional medicine. It is how the field evolves.
Defining CAM is difficult, because the field is very broad and constantly changing. NCCAM defines CAM as a group of diverse medical and health care systems, practices, and products that are not generally considered part of conventional medicine. Conventional medicine (also called Western or allopathic medicine) is medicine as practiced by holders of M.D. (medical doctor) and D.O. (doctor of osteopathic medicineDoctors of Osteopathic Medicine (DOs) are fully licensed physicians. They provide a full range of services, from prescribing drugs to performing surgery, and employ a "whole person" approach to health care. DOs focus special attention on the musculoskeletal system, a system of bones and muscles that makes up about two-thirds of the body's mass. They may use osteopathic manipulative treatment, a system of manual therapy, to treat mechanical strains affecting all aspects of the anatomy, relieve pain, and improve physiologic function.) degrees and by allied health professionals, such as physical therapists, psychologists, and registered nurses. The boundaries between CAM and conventional medicine are not absolute, and specific CAM practices may, over time, become widely accepted.
"Complementary medicine" refers to use of CAM together with conventional medicine, such as using acupunctureA family of procedures that originated in traditional Chinese medicine. Acupuncture is the stimulation of specific points on the body by a variety of techniques, including the insertion of thin metal needles though the skin. It is intended to remove blockages in the flow of qi and restore and maintain health. in addition to usual care to help lessen pain. Most use of CAM by Americans is complementary. "Alternative medicine" refers to use of CAM in place of conventional medicine. "Integrative medicine" combines treatments from conventional medicine and CAM for which there is some high-quality evidence of safety and effectiveness. It is also called integrated medicine.
...
Rigorous, well-designed clinical trials for many CAM therapies are often lacking; therefore, the safety and effectiveness of many CAM therapies are uncertain. NCCAM is sponsoring research designed to fill this knowledge gap by building a scientific evidence base about CAM therapieswhether they are safe; and whether they work for the conditions for which people use them and, if so, how they work.
-------------------
To boil it down, CAM is used alongside with or instead of conventional medicine though not meeting scientific rigor. If they work and if they are a valid treatment that should be in widespread use they become conventional medicine. It is how the field evolves.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
312 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Wonderful overlooked fact about Obamacare--it will curtail mandatory alternative medicine coverage! [View all]
Godhumor
Jul 2012
OP
Source for your argument: " acupuncture fails the scietific process 100% of the time."
emsimon33
Jul 2012
#264
chiropractic fixed my sciatica problem, when the ER didn't even get a fucking xray.
pansypoo53219
Jul 2012
#63
It depends on cause and how bad it is. My partner had a big curve and chiro & massage helped a lot.
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#127
Good, show me my ignorance. Where is the scientific work showing acupuncture works
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#34
Proof has been posted #90 I was giving you a chance to catch up with the front of the class.
underseasurveyor
Jul 2012
#113
He already replied there but didn't address the proof. Did a red herring thing instead. You are so
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#117
Willful ignorance and prejudice combine into an ugly mess. I like reading and learning also.
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#128
clinical studies have shown time and time again, where the needle goes makes no difference
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#172
Medically necessary? vs PATIENT necessary. It may be "medically" necessary to haul an 88
patrice
Jul 2012
#55
Have seen several family elders off into the beyond. Even under what is supposed to be the best
patrice
Jul 2012
#64
And the conclusions are clear on drugs like Zoloft, Prozac, Xanax, etc.?
underseasurveyor
Jul 2012
#108
Um, I thought anecdotal stories were worthless. I'm very close to someone who has benefited
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#112
silly you -- anecdotal evidence is only permissible when advocating big pharma.
nashville_brook
Jul 2012
#207
Oh silly me indeed. I forgot. Slap me with a wet noodle and call me done.
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#208
And let me just say right now, misuse of prescription drugs is a terrible thing
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#160
And misuse of prescription drugs is off the charts at an all time high (no pun intended)
underseasurveyor
Jul 2012
#170
Yes, the conclusions are clear. Only the severely depressed do better on them than placebo
stevenleser
Jul 2012
#169
That is because improperly prescribed, SSRI's/SNRI's can push a person into hypomania.
stevenleser
Jul 2012
#176
Perfect example. Germ theory was outrageous quackery and no reputable scientist
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2012
#295
You mean all those double blind tests we've been finding out are rigged to give new meds
Lionessa
Jul 2012
#138
Yes, but we also need more naturalistic research, to try to understand qualitatively significant fac
patrice
Jul 2012
#149
Absolutely. There's no way to share it if it isn't. There must be some kind of connecting commonalit
patrice
Jul 2012
#152
What's a shame is that you haven't bothered to find out about the research that IS being done.
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#231
And do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proven to work,
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2012
#106
No, I haven't. Since massage therapy now has studies proving effectiveness for some
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#145
I can't even get an apology posted right today. ^ look up there ^. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2012
#187
I've been offline a while. We are agreeing and no problems, was being too curt nt
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#193
No, subsidized CAM is being reduced or wiped out, which is a boost to all of us
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#4
I love quackwatch but have found untrue non-sources "facts" there which lead me to
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#288
Your ignorance is showing. Medical doctors in Washington often recommend naturopaths.
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#23
Which is the C in CAM, and is not even remotely medically necessary or even useful
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#27
And, I'm glad the country will be trusting scietific rigor instead of pseudoscience
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#43
They can. Bastyr University has been actively engaged in research for years, in partnership
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#51
Right, you speak for the entire medical world -- except for the N.I.H., the University of Washington
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#70
"Some benefit was shown." In the world of cancer studies, that kind of result is considered
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#300
Are M.D. allergists also "woo woo"? Those allergy shots with the tiny amounts of allergens
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#303
Folic acid during pregnancy has greatly reduced spina bifida, but it wasn't conventional
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#46
No, you are. The people I've been arguing with are those who lump naturopathy and acupuncture
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#65
I'm supporting the work of Bastyr Naturopathic University and its trained practitioners,
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#253
I never said it was "unaware of folic acid." They didn't recommend the standard use of
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#255
Some do, true. But many do not. Like MD's that over prescribe. There are some unscrupulous doctors
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#285
Check the context, please. The person I was responding to had just used the term "woo-woos."
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#227
Empiricism, the scientific method: These are my gods. Their magic is STRONG. nt
Poll_Blind
Jul 2012
#7
I'm sure there are studies about the efficacy of Chinese herbal medicines in Japan
Art_from_Ark
Jul 2012
#262
Actually, flossing is better at preventing periodontitis. Besides which, he said "treat".
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#286
And eating right and using good toothpaste, and good genes, and lots of other things too.
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#310
I am glad massage therapists are doing scientific studies so massage therapy may be continued.
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#33
But it would move from CAM to accepted medicinal practice when proven effective
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#37
I'd like to see a link to a reputable source with that definition vs your definition. Thank you.
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#57
Thanks for the link but it says nothing about CAM being "crap" or unprovable or validating your defn
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#80
You generalize too much. My massages are not "relaxing and feel great". Yes, I'm a Western med & CAM
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#94
Another fail. Here is what AMTA does say, and links to research now, 2012, not 1997 "AMTA booklet".
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#103
"Realxing, relief of aches, and feel good" sounds like a lot of prescriptions you seem ok with
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#110
I have not talked about any prescribed drugs other that normal umbrella prescription coverage
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#121
why are prescriptions that are "Realxing, relief of aches, and feel good" ok with you?
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#125
Your proof maintains massage as therapy for HIV/AIDS victims, autism spectrum, etc.
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#148
NOTHING was said about "permanently healing scar tissue" in ETL's comment.
underseasurveyor
Jul 2012
#178
IF you had any understanding of the subject you'd know better than to ask that.
underseasurveyor
Jul 2012
#184
You deny something works, then shown proof you still disagree and want to leave. Hahaha
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#215
Range of motion improves after massage in children with burns: A pilot study
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#203
You answered my last question. "Can you do any of that or will you now try and deflect...?" Deflect.
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#200
Deflect again. AMA have no scientific standing either since it, like AMTA is a professional organiza
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#211
Lung cancer "Complementary therapies have an increasingly important role in the control of symptoms
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#205
So you think pain medicine is crap also since it only helps with aches. Gotcha. thanks for clarifyin
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#206
As I understand: it will identify what is more valid and what is less valid & under what variables.
patrice
Jul 2012
#36
Exactly, so CAM disappears, but those that are proven effective become actual medical work
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#39
These are HUGE questions especially amongst the elderly. The answers MUST come from research that is
patrice
Jul 2012
#61
Neither. How does acupuncture work without refering to a non-tangible energy flow?
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#118
Both. Educate yourself. Scientific terms? Ok. Try here for starts... Oh dang, "mystical" is missing.
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#123
That 1 word is all you take away?Try neurotransmitters, neurohormones, nerves, hypothalamic-pituitar
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#195
How does that work if the needles don't cause pain and never overcome the receptor thresholds
MattBaggins
Jul 2012
#249
All sensory receptors are not pain receptors. If they are in you, I feel sorry because you must be
uppityperson
Jul 2012
#284
Even if what you say is true, you still do not address the balance of my post.
scubadude
Jul 2012
#257
Replies re “alternative medicine” challenge acupuncture and chiropractic practices but IMO more harm
jody
Jul 2012
#97
THANK YOU! I've been feeling as if I've wandered into the wrong site lately.
progressivebydesign
Jul 2012
#122
I can take the differences; it's the meanness of it all that is overwhelming. I wonder if there
patrice
Jul 2012
#137
I taught Psychology, as Science, for high school. Human behavior and mental processes
patrice
Jul 2012
#162
All of us need to free ourselves and then try to collaborate on how to proceed. And I do mean "need"
patrice
Jul 2012
#156
You're absolutely right, but this has nothing to do with liberal or conservative.
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2012
#268
I am going home and stepping out for a bit. Will be on to check replies late tonight
Godhumor
Jul 2012
#158
We should allow a little bit of coverage in this area simply to admit we don't know everything.
limpyhobbler
Jul 2012
#259