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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
99. It's unfair to blast Schumer for something he DIDN'T say
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:38 PM
Jul 2017

Note that neither the link in the OP nor the HuffPo link added in #34 quotes or even mentions Schumer.

Note that in the Schumer interview that I assume is the basis for all this outrage, he doesn't mention Clinton.

This is all shit-stirring by headline writers trying to hype a nonexistent intraparty fight. Let's stop falling for this!

I stand ready to be corrected if someone provides a link to some actual words by Schumer (not a headline paraphrase). Unless and until I see that, I'll assume this hubbub is based entirely on a distortion of his statement on Sunday. Here's what happened:

Some Democratic leaders decided that, along with "We're not Trump," it would be useful for the party to have a short statement of positive goals. (This is hardly a controversial idea.) The Washington Post wrote about the plan in this story: "Trump had ‘The Art of the Deal.’ Now Democrats say their economic agenda is ‘A Better Deal.’" The Post interviewed Schumer, and its reporting included this passage:

The rollout comes as Democrats continue to struggle to sell a coherent message to voters. In a recent Washington Post-ABC News poll, 37 percent of Americans said that the party “currently stands for something,” while 52 percent said it “just stands against Trump.” The same poll found that Trump’s overall approval rating has deteriorated to 36 percent — making him the most unpopular president of the modern era at this point in his presidency.

Those findings resonate with party leaders who are still stunned by Trump’s come-from-behind victory last year.

“When you lose to somebody who has 40 percent popularity, you don’t blame other things — Comey, Russia — you blame yourself,” Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in an interview previewing the new plan. “So what did we do wrong? People didn’t know what we stood for, just that we were against Trump. And still believe that.”

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) agreed, explaining in a separate interview that the new focus “is not a course correction, but it’s a presentation correction.”


You'll note that Schumer didn't even mention Clinton. You'll note further that he identified the issue as "what did we do wrong" (emphasis added). You'll note finally that he used the word "we" twice more in the next sentence.

Slate, however, decided that a misleading let's-you-and-her-fight headline might get some clicks, and reported this development as "Schumer Takes Aim at Clinton: Don’t Blame Russia or Comey, 'Blame Yourself'".

Pretty clever, huh? The verbatim quotation from Schumer is juxtaposed with something he didn't say to give a totally false impression. He wasn't reacting to polls about Hillary Clinton's unpopularity. He was reacting to the poll about the whole party's public image, namely not having a program.

All Schumer is saying is that the party should learn from 2016. Yes, our candidate won the popular vote, and we gained seats in the House and the Senate, but we -- we -- could have done better. If the problem is that the party is perceived as not standing for anything, then formulating a concise statement of what the party does stand for is a sensible (and non-misogynistic) response.

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So almost as soon as she started running she goes down? Ligyron Jul 2017 #1
and she's not getting viewed more positively now because the entire country geek tragedy Jul 2017 #3
Some may never "get over it"... Agschmid Jul 2017 #43
Correct...it's just possible Schumer and the Dems aren't being stupid here BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #2
Schumer takes shots at her and then complains that she's wounded. pnwmom Jul 2017 #7
They've obviously concluded that they need to distance themselves from Hillary BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #13
Well, it's not because of honesty and integrity. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #44
one also needs to remember that despite winning (by cheating) onetexan Jul 2017 #62
The strategy is asinine at best it doesn't change facts to "distance" themselves from HRC ... Scumer uponit7771 Jul 2017 #4
The base isn't going to stay home in 2018 because geek tragedy Jul 2017 #9
Get a kick out of your use of corporate term "rebrand" delisen Jul 2017 #61
Is it innacurate? Baconator Jul 2017 #104
And when people like Schumer publicly blame her, that increases negative publicity against her, pnwmom Jul 2017 #5
So? Nevernose Jul 2017 #19
But it has an effect on all women. KitSileya Jul 2017 #28
Yeah that misogyny isn't going anywhere, even when a woman wins. Agschmid Jul 2017 #46
Maybe its time to stop using her as a stand-in for the achievements and advancement of all women Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #66
OFFS, all women in public are treated heinously. KitSileya Jul 2017 #68
+1 betsuni Jul 2017 #70
I do remember a couple months ago, when Warren aligned herself w/Sanders, and people here lost it Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #72
"GOP congressman blames health care struggles on lapucelle Jul 2017 #82
So people are blaming her for the lower popularity numbers that they helped to bring about. nt pnwmom Jul 2017 #42
What Schumer did was unnecessary. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #6
he helped publicly distance the party from an historically unpopular presidential candidate. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #11
"he helped publicly distance the party from an historically unpopular presidential candidate." NCTraveler Jul 2017 #21
that you disagree with something does not make it 'deceptive' nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #30
Point not in contention. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #33
you obviously did. you pretty much accused me of lying. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #34
According to whom? Baconator Jul 2017 #105
So Trump is going to be helping a Dems somehow? What? bettyellen Jul 2017 #26
Exactly. It's deceptive not to acknowledge the aggressive smears against her R B Garr Jul 2017 #40
Oh for fucks sake. What a bunch of fucking Theon Greyjoys. LuvLoogie Jul 2017 #8
Should we be Ned Starks instead? nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #12
I'd rather die with honor and my principles intact Blue_Adept Jul 2017 #14
Good thing those are not the only two choices. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #15
What happened when alot of the Democratic candidates kacekwl Jul 2017 #84
Clinton is not our candidate anymore. She is not the President. She is a private citizen. nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #93
Come on , she was our candidate kacekwl Jul 2017 #106
No. It's stupid and I don't get it. kcr Jul 2017 #10
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #23
I agree, too! bdjhawk Jul 2017 #27
Yeah, there was totally no infighting in the GOP primary in 2016. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #36
+10000 treestar Jul 2017 #77
Why say anything then? nini Jul 2017 #16
he didn't mention her name. it's just being assumed nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #17
I hope the Democratic Party get the red out Jul 2017 #18
duh it's why its called Populism-vote popularity not competency delisen Jul 2017 #20
And Trump used his ass ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #22
Democratic party's weakness don't need revealing--already in plain view for those who would look geek tragedy Jul 2017 #31
Well yeah, because we keep doing shit like this ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #39
I think there's a big difference between piling on her for bullshit or rw talking points geek tragedy Jul 2017 #45
Well see I see every criticism tainted with misogyny ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #47
Focus on the speeches was politics--it was spectacularly tone deaf to geek tragedy Jul 2017 #49
Dems should be finding new candidates not litigating old losses. As valuable as Hillary is she's out mulsh Jul 2017 #24
I agree, they want to move ahead and Hillary is the past. jalan48 Jul 2017 #25
Since Trump won't let Hillary go, it's really the only choice leftstreet Jul 2017 #29
It really does seem like people on here.... vi5 Jul 2017 #32
That seems like an extreme misperception and makes me mistrust your opinion. Why don't you create seaglass Jul 2017 #48
They can go fuck themselves, too! cynatnite Jul 2017 #35
Democrats are fighting to preserve Obama's legacy. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #37
I meant Bill Clinton's. Sorry I didn't clarify that... cynatnite Jul 2017 #38
Legacies don't mean a damn thing to voters Kentonio Jul 2017 #64
same old tired bullshit Skittles Jul 2017 #41
A poll which over sampled under educated white independent males has hillary clinton unpopular? JHan Jul 2017 #50
Thank you! That helps to explain much. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #87
Many in the base have other thoughts Chevy Jul 2017 #51
K&R. Excellent lunamagica Jul 2017 #52
eloquent email. beautifully summed up... JHan Jul 2017 #53
Indeed. But she was called Chevy Jul 2017 #54
gosh.. JHan Jul 2017 #55
A complete shill no doubt Chevy Jul 2017 #56
perfect grammar in the email too.. JHan Jul 2017 #57
Pure elitist n/t Chevy Jul 2017 #58
Great! betsuni Jul 2017 #59
Damn! NurseJackie Jul 2017 #88
Excellent romana Jul 2017 #89
Trump brings Clinton up in hopes she will take the bait delisen Jul 2017 #60
As much as I like Hillary I can't ignore the exit poll Awsi Dooger Jul 2017 #63
What's the national exit poll? lapucelle Jul 2017 #79
Bill and Hillary have always played hardball politics Kentonio Jul 2017 #65
Are you actually defending him? BainsBane Jul 2017 #71
Clearly. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #80
"A better deal" was made to suit progressives .. JHan Jul 2017 #91
Yet we see all of that ignored BainsBane Jul 2017 #92
And controlling how the message is disseminated is not the same as having no message.. JHan Jul 2017 #98
What that poll shows is the power of the GOP slander machine--in 2013 Hilllary was near 70% andym Jul 2017 #67
Why do you even care about her popularity? BainsBane Jul 2017 #69
Trump is running a campaign to destroy Hillary's brand. Hillary needs to make it UCmeNdc Jul 2017 #73
Schumer doubleplus ungood badspeak wrongthink Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #74
Yeah, and they are starting on Kamala Harris...why don't we just let the GOP pick our candidates so Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #75
She won the popular vote treestar Jul 2017 #76
Unpopular: sounds like high school. betsuni Jul 2017 #78
and no more relavent BainsBane Jul 2017 #90
how do you think elections get decided? nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #95
I guess elections get decided because Americans never grow the fuck up? betsuni Jul 2017 #96
62.5 million people who voted for Twitler certainly a data point for that proposition nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #97
How about we stop helping the GOP push their memes against Dems and HRC? nikibatts Jul 2017 #81
If the GOP has become an incompetent, deranged cult of personality. . . ariadne0614 Jul 2017 #83
She's not running f/ office again so why continue support? Panich52 Jul 2017 #85
She's just a convenient lightning rod/punching bag for the right and left Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #86
Is it smart to grab onto a lightning rod with both hands? nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #94
It's unfair to blast Schumer for something he DIDN'T say Jim Lane Jul 2017 #99
Schumer is absolutely right in what he's saying. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #100
In colloquial English, "you" often means "one" Jim Lane Jul 2017 #102
a lot of people say "but Hillary had plans for all of those concerns" geek tragedy Jul 2017 #103
To ensure accuracy... BamaRefugee Jul 2017 #101
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #107
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