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politicat

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12. If self-driving cars were possible 10 years ago, my grandmother could have stayed in her home.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jul 2017

She lived about two country miles from Middle of Nowhere, on her ancestral land. The first stroke took her attention, her executive function and reaction time. After that, she had no business behind the wheel or controlling 2000 pounds of metal. But she lived outside a tiny town with no services and no sidewalks on the farm roads. Her entire social world depended on all of these other farm dwellers in the same situation. She had no choice -- either become a shut-in with no access to health care, a social life or food (no delivery services to Middle of Nowhere) and hope we could find enough aides/companions willing to deal with her to cover 24/7/365, or move into an urban area and into assisted living. (We wouldn't ask anyone to live with her, though we did offer it, since the house had space for a full apartment upstairs. Nobody was willing to do more than 4 hours a day, three days a week with her. She could be brutal. She was a difficult person both before and after the stroke; no aide ever managed to last more than three weeks.) Even with therapy, she never really improved much, and rapidly worsened.

Frailty comes to all humans eventually. If we're not willing to pay for a social safety net that covers fully accessible public transit for the entire country, we have to consider that we need individual technological solutions. (And we can get into the impractical and evironmentally devastating and socially fragmenting land use of parking lots and the suburban Ponzi scheme later, but in short: a self-driving fleet that doesn't require massive parking infrastructure makes for a much safer and more efficient public sphere, meaning pedestrians and cyclists are safer overall.)

Why should bicyclists pay for transponders? Why should they obey traffic laws at all? Think how much they'd save if they didn't have to have lights because those stupid humans in their cars don't have infrared vision. That should be on the drivers, right? No, that's silly. We require headlights and reflectors for the cyclist's safety. And it's not perfect, but it's better than cyclist paté.

I say this as a former cyclist who reluctantly became a permanent pedestrian after one too many close calls, in a cyclist-friendly area. I trust computers much more than I trust humans who are prone to distraction, frustration, exhaustion and inattention. These are the Model T version. But development is moving much, much faster than the T.

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Well, see, autonomous cars are way, way more MineralMan Jul 2017 #1
There will have to be a standard adopted... Adrahil Jul 2017 #2
So, who is going to be paying for all of those transponders? MineralMan Jul 2017 #3
Yeah, probably the bicyclists. Adrahil Jul 2017 #5
There's two kinds of countries... JoeStuckInOH Jul 2017 #10
Even so.... Adrahil Jul 2017 #11
yeah, but then all the numbers won't be even anymore snooper2 Jul 2017 #15
The U.K. & Republic of Ireland use both Nevernose Jul 2017 #29
Just so you know NASA was using the metric system during TexasProgresive Jul 2017 #17
I know. I'm a mechanical engineer, myself. JoeStuckInOH Jul 2017 #18
Sorry, it didn't work for me. TexasProgresive Jul 2017 #20
If self-driving cars were possible 10 years ago, my grandmother could have stayed in her home. politicat Jul 2017 #12
I doubt it, and not for long. MineralMan Jul 2017 #13
Unless you plan on dying in the next 5 years you will see self driving cars on the roads..... USALiberal Jul 2017 #22
Didn't they just pull the driverless cars off the streets in the Bay Area? brush Jul 2017 #31
I expect that I might, at least in some areas, but I don't MineralMan Jul 2017 #41
I wonder if Uber, Lyft, etc will change that crazycatlady Jul 2017 #34
Three years too late, for her. politicat Jul 2017 #38
Bike helmets composed of aluminum foil are highly visible to the AI killbot's sensors (photo) populistdriven Jul 2017 #4
Autonomous cars are a stupid fucking idea Spider Jerusalem Jul 2017 #6
And once the cyclists have one, pedestrians will need one. Then strollers, then wagons, then... Shandris Jul 2017 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #8
Another reason not to ride in the road. I stay on sidewalks with my bike. JoeStuckInOH Jul 2017 #9
No they need to not run us down scarytomcat Jul 2017 #14
Don't play in traffic Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2017 #16
We're SOL Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #19
Yes, about 5-10 years. n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #23
There are some serious privacy issues that are going to be in play Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #21
All of this will be worked out. You cannot stop progress. Ask the horse and buggy people. n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #24
At least the driver will not be on tweeter or shaving. CK_John Jul 2017 #25
Cyclists have no rights. Noodleboy13 Jul 2017 #26
Bah! Oubaas Jul 2017 #27
Looks like the real fun of driving is being removed. I would rather have a car that NCjack Jul 2017 #28
And pedestrians will need to have chips implanted so cars don't run them down. No thanks. n/t Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #30
What About Wildlife? Oubaas Jul 2017 #32
You're BAD! but make great points. n/t TexasProgresive Jul 2017 #33
They tried putting warning whistles on vehicles to scare the deer out of the way csziggy Jul 2017 #35
Yeah, They Don't... Oubaas Jul 2017 #36
I read stories about people on horseback getting injured csziggy Jul 2017 #37
Self driving cars are the republican ideal ProudLib72 Jul 2017 #39
It's bad enough for cyclists as it is with the distracted driving. kcr Jul 2017 #40
I had a scare 10 years ago that got me off my bikes. TexasProgresive Jul 2017 #42
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