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JCanete

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13. you are only looking at part of the issue with running conservative dems. Is he better than a
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:48 PM
Jul 2017

Republican being in office? From one metric, yes, of course, even though that is a pretty shitty voting record at 77 percent, for a Dem. But does our party's identity suffer? Does it make it harder for us to use strong, non wishy washy language when it comes to the issues that Democrats care about, just so that we can be careful not to throw the Manchins of the party under the bus--or worse, so as not to alienate the Manchins of the party and have them go rogue on us? Does it ultimately water down our whole message? Does it tie our hands behind our back and lead to larger losses than these middling gains?

You're right, we don't know if liberals can win these seats. But we don't try to build a liberal counter-argument in these states and localities, opting instead to try to cater to the conservative mindset already present...just a little kinder and gentler. Its no surprise that these conservative bastions of thought have persisted and rooted themselves so thoroughly. We haven't offered an alternative, if only to introduce a little cognitive dissonance.

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Joe Manchin, West Virginia TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #1
OK, let's have a look: MineralMan Jul 2017 #9
you are only looking at part of the issue with running conservative dems. Is he better than a JCanete Jul 2017 #13
So, run someone in the Primary, and see MineralMan Jul 2017 #18
Not everybody here is fond of the idea of primarying incumbents. In fact, isn't it the threat of JCanete Jul 2017 #20
I think primaries are the time for challenges. MineralMan Jul 2017 #21
Fair enough. Sadly though, it's usually deeper pockets who decide which candidates JCanete Jul 2017 #22
Typically, the national Democratic Party organizations do not MineralMan Jul 2017 #23
Joe Manchin is identified as the most conservative Democrat Doc Coco Jul 2017 #2
I'll repeat my post from above. Your number seems to be incorrect: MineralMan Jul 2017 #10
It's Manchin of WV. Tatiana Jul 2017 #3
That would be my guess, too. MineralMan Jul 2017 #11
According to countless Democrats on Election Day 2016 it was Hillary Clinton. StevieM Jul 2017 #4
Followed closely by Barack Obama and Joe Biden RhodeIslandOne Jul 2017 #6
Manchin Demonaut Jul 2017 #5
Interesting thing about Manchin. Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #7
Henry Cuellar in the House LeftInTX Jul 2017 #8
OK. What's his longer term voting record. Trump hasn't been MineralMan Jul 2017 #12
I don't know. He calls himself a blue dog. LeftInTX Jul 2017 #14
Congressman Lipinski of Illinois dsc Jul 2017 #15
relative to his district, it's the odious Dan Lipinski (from a safe seat in IL) geek tragedy Jul 2017 #16
A question-is Lipinski Catholic? Boomerproud Jul 2017 #19
KnR, MinMan Hekate Jul 2017 #17
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