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Baconator

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105. See you in 4 years...

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #104)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:37 PM

Jul 2017

... when you just can't understand how it all fell apart again.

Criminy...

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HRC would have been a great president...but she's never going to run again. [View all] Ken Burch Jul 2017 OP

I disagree with much of what you post but on this, I agree. Kaleva Jul 2017 #1

In that case, why did you bring her up? MineralMan Jul 2017 #2

Apparently "we" can't Cary Jul 2017 #5

I only brought her up because any suggestion that the party change anything Ken Burch Jul 2017 #11

THIS!!! kcdoug1 Jul 2017 #78

If you don't look back and realize the "WHY" of the loss... Baconator Jul 2017 #96

Funny how that happens, isnt it. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #126

"HRC would have been a great president" Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #3

Absolutely Cary Jul 2017 #8

Now remember True Dough Jul 2017 #27

The fools running our country are providing me with an endless amount of ammo. Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #36

You are correct Gothmog Jul 2017 #64

I think recognizing places problems with our long standing focus is also reasonable loyalsister Jul 2017 #4

I agree with all you said there. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #62

All good points padfun Jul 2017 #106

How, exactly, is the GOP promoting trade schools? LisaM Jul 2017 #129

Republican on the issues has it loyalsister Jul 2017 #133

I don't know if any jobs came from that (hope they did) but it's untrue that the Dems didn't address LisaM Jul 2017 #134

Jobs jobs jobs is part of the problem loyalsister Jul 2017 #135

Trades xajj4791 Jul 2017 #152

When has she ever said that? That's not an assumption people are making about the men who ran. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #6

I didn't say she had said it. It's simply a logical inference. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #12

It isn't logical to me. And it also isn't logical to dismiss pnwmom Jul 2017 #15

I never once dismissed the importance of it. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #17

There wasn't anything wrong with her campaign. She would have lost due to Russian hacking pnwmom Jul 2017 #21

So we should speak out against Russian interference. Fair enough Ken Burch Jul 2017 #25

More than that. We should be fighting for secure election systems pnwmom Jul 2017 #26

Absolutely. I'm totally with you on that. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #53

There were things wrong with her campaign Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2017 #45

Wisconsin's voter ID law suppressed 200K votes in 2016. DT won by less than 23K. pnwmom Jul 2017 #46

+1 Me. Jul 2017 #48

And again, there is no debate about the important of fighting voter suppression. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #57

Are you out there trying to get these voters IDs? forthemiddle Jul 2017 #122

Am I? No. My state doesn't have a voter ID law. We have all mail-in. If you are a Democrat, pnwmom Jul 2017 #123

I lived here! forthemiddle Jul 2017 #127

And again I'm asking: why are you saying "you" and "they" instead of "we" and "us"? pnwmom Jul 2017 #128

Whatever forthemiddle Jul 2017 #130

You live in the state, I don't. So why do you keep blaming me instead of yourself? pnwmom Jul 2017 #131

Almost as easy here forthemiddle Jul 2017 #132

No, there is a big difference. After we register, we don't have to bring an ID to vote. pnwmom Jul 2017 #136

But you still need the I'd to register anyways! forthemiddle Jul 2017 #143

No. It's always easy in WA. pnwmom Jul 2017 #144

"There wasn't anything wrong with her campaign." Baconator Jul 2017 #99

No, it's not false. Between the Russian hacking and the voter suppression pnwmom Jul 2017 #100

Did she win? Baconator Jul 2017 #102

The election was stolen. 200,000 votes got suppressed in Wisconsin -- pnwmom Jul 2017 #104

See you in 4 years... Baconator Jul 2017 #105

And how do you think your perfect candidate will overcome even greater voter suppression pnwmom Jul 2017 #107

No one is asking for perfect... Baconator Jul 2017 #108

We can't win by pretending the Russians won't interfere again or that voter suppression delisen Jul 2017 #28

exactly onetexan Jul 2017 #31

And I never said we SHOULD pretend that the Russians won't interfere again Ken Burch Jul 2017 #54

Meanwhile in the real world, many of us are fighting voter suppression Gothmog Jul 2017 #67

I'm just as much in the real world as you are. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #74

Have you made it to an indivisible meeting? I just received this e-mail Gothmog Jul 2017 #82

I signed up. I'll go to the next meeting they have. That puts the Indivisible thing to rest. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #85

Did you make it to their e-mail list yet? Gothmog Jul 2017 #88

Let it go already. I'm with them Ken Burch Jul 2017 #90

You did not answer my question Gothmog Jul 2017 #94

I've proved I work in the real world. You need to stop badgering me. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #97

Your posts speak for themselves Gothmog Jul 2017 #113

I know what people in the real world do. I've worked in politics for decades And I did sign up. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #115

I just got home from work and I have like 40 flies in my house Cary Jul 2017 #83

Why not O'Malley? Gothmog Jul 2017 #65

He isn't "tainted"...I'm not saying anyone is "tainted" Ken Burch Jul 2017 #111

Read you post, you stated that no one who ran in 2016 should run again Gothmog Jul 2017 #112

Which is not the same as saying anyone is personally tainted. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #114

I will agree with you that O'Malley is a good person Gothmog Jul 2017 #119

OK. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #137

There is an agenda here, you seem to have rooted it out, good on you. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #118

+1 onetexan Jul 2017 #153

Only Clinton herself can say that she will not run again karynnj Jul 2017 #7

donors and DNC establishment would also play a role geek tragedy Jul 2017 #9

She has already said it BainsBane Jul 2017 #20

Agreed-I would support her in a second if decides to run Gothmog Jul 2017 #68

I would support her if she again won the nomination karynnj Jul 2017 #79

Nobody ever tried to give her the nomination. She got the votes she got. (eom) StevieM Jul 2017 #87

This is like your 5 millionth post saying the same thing you have been saying since last Nov. seaglass Jul 2017 #10

This is what I want to say. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #14

Finding That Hard To Believe Me. Jul 2017 #49

I'll say it directly then: I DON'T think Bernie should run in 2020. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #59

You aren't the only one. BannonsLiver Jul 2017 #121

So have you given up on strengthening third parties and weakening the Democratic Party? Gothmog Jul 2017 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Jul 2017 #18

Any discussion is useless until voter suppression and easily compromised ecstatic Jul 2017 #13

Have I ever said we SHOULDN'T address those issues? Even once? Ken Burch Jul 2017 #16

Meanwhile BainsBane Jul 2017 #19

I don't support replacing Democratic primaries with caucuses. Never have. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #23

she lost to Obama in the South which were mostly Primaries . JI7 Jul 2017 #24

There is no implication BainsBane Jul 2017 #34

I wasn't the one claiming caucuses were unfair to HRC. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #47

Caucuses are not democratic and are easy to game Gothmog Jul 2017 #70

I didn't mention any candidate BainsBane Jul 2017 #89

I agree with you about voting rights and the issues involved in caucuses. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #91

I was a caucus leader for the Obama team in 2008 Gothmog Jul 2017 #72

OK. And I'm not a defender of caucuses as a system. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #86

Well, how do we get the REPUBLICANS who are in charge of all of that Bettie Jul 2017 #66

after 4 (or, heaven forbid, 8) years of Trump & friends the platform will need to change 0rganism Jul 2017 #22

You know I wouldn't be surprised if science proved there to be yuiyoshida Jul 2017 #29

HRC seems to have really gotten under your skin..... delisen Jul 2017 #30

+1 onetexan Jul 2017 #32

Yep Gothmog Jul 2017 #73

A much stronger economic justice program Ken Burch Jul 2017 #103

Thank you Ken for posting your ideas. delisen Jul 2017 #109

Thanks for your courteous response Ken Burch Jul 2017 #110

"And we can't win in 2018 or 2020 simply by saying "we only lost in 2016 because of ..." LenaBaby61 Jul 2017 #33

And a side-eye from Oprah gif proves WHAT, exactly? Ken Burch Jul 2017 #55

Question BainsBane Jul 2017 #35

Coincidence. I hadn't known Schumer had put out the proposals that day. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #60

I will just drop this here: Remember how Bill Clinton, Al Gore, were treated by Democrats here? nikibatts Jul 2017 #37

There's only one goddamn thing we need to do in the future Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #38

So it is ok to blame the Democratic party for the loss, but under no circumstances should we bring still_one Jul 2017 #39

+1 betsuni Jul 2017 #40

Great post. Excellent observations. (Thank you.) NurseJackie Jul 2017 #42

Thank-you, but you are far more articulate than I will ever be still_one Jul 2017 #43

I've never once said that we shouldn't talk about the Russians and the Comey effect Ken Burch Jul 2017 #58

So what? I never said or even implied that you did. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #75

Bullseye. Thank you so much. Paladin Jul 2017 #44

+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #50

There's also "Donald Trump as President is the opposite of a smart idea". HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #51

I totally agree with that. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #61

Of course not. I never said not to bring those up. Not once. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #52

Please stop A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2017 #56

If a Hillary Clinton falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? betsuni Jul 2017 #41

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa JHan Jul 2017 #76

Strengthening third parties or weakening the Democratic Party are not viable options Gothmog Jul 2017 #63

++++ JHan Jul 2017 #77

And I don't support weakening the Democratic Party. What I support would strengthen it. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #92

Strengthening third parties is a really stupid idea that would hurt the Democratic party Gothmog Jul 2017 #93

Actually, that's not true. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #95

Ken, your policies do not make any sense in the real world Gothmog Jul 2017 #120

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jul 2017 #138

You're reading my mind. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #140

I agree JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #139

Weakening the Democratic party is a really dumb idea Gothmog Jul 2017 #142

And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle... WoonTars Jul 2017 #71

I'm partial to O'Malley for the moment. RandySF Jul 2017 #80

we dont deserve her..:( samnsara Jul 2017 #81

Clinton gets too much of the blame for 2016. Willie Pep Jul 2017 #84

I agree with all that you said there about what we need to do. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #101

Woulda shoulda coulda... finding fault, laying blame and looking backward again? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #141

Not finding fault and laying blame...pointing out problems. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #145

Looking backward is not looking forward ... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #146

You referred to "laying blame". Ken Burch Jul 2017 #147

Yes... actually you were laying blame. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #148

We have to acknowledge what didn't work last time if we are to do better next time. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #151

Actually... we have to acknowledge that looking back is not the same a moving forward. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #155

I'm not obsessing about the past. I'm not refighting. I'm not attacking anybody Ken Burch Jul 2017 #158

Look forward, Ken. Look forward. Stop focusing on the past. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #161

I'm "looking forward" as much as you are. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #162

Look forward! NurseJackie Jul 2017 #163

You aren't "challenging" anybody. You are talking down to people and treating them like children Ken Burch Jul 2017 #164

Making false accusations about me is very negative... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #165

I made no threats against you and I never would. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #166

I don't deserve this... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #167

I've mostly treated you with courtesy. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #168

Look forward, Ken. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #169

Another false statement about me... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #170

Here you go ... you specifically laid blame ... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #149

I only said that to clarify that I wasn't attacking the nominee. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #150

Yeah right. Rephrase, reword, whatever. You don't have to use the word "blame" to ... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #154

We can only look forward if we are open to doing things differently Ken Burch Jul 2017 #156

Focusing on the past isn't moving forward. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #160

And she should not run again helpisontheway Jul 2017 #98

"And we can't win in 2018 or 2020 simply by saying..." Says who? BzaDem Jul 2017 #116

In 2020 we will be 1/5th of the way to the TWENTY-SECOND Century. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #117

The harm is in seeing Populism as the "answer" when Populism is the problem. Expecting Rain Jul 2017 #124

I think she'd be a great president... Orsino Jul 2017 #125

HRC is the legitimate POTUS triron Jul 2017 #157

She won the popular vote and would be far better in the job. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #159

I want fresh candidates in 2020. Neither Clinton nor Sanders should run. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #171