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WinkyDink

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311. BESIDES THESE VERMIN, here is what I'm also shocked by:

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 04:27 AM

Jul 2017

DUers who have:

-admitted to watching the video;

-accused posters who are concerned that the law is followed, as opposed to recommending "Law, Schmaw---Let's have some 'creative prosecutorial conduct'," of being unfeeling sticklers, bad Democrats (if Democrats at all), and "defenders" of the two wretches;

-called for impossible-to-compose-and-enforce "Required Rescue/Call for Help" laws and, when shown possible scenarios where difficulties might arise, verbally shrug and say it can all be resolved;

-refused to acknowledge that not all bad, unethical, or even evil behaviors are actually illegal. See: Trump and the BSA.

-offered up irrelevant examples of when seeking aid IS legally required, such as by educational professionals (I was a teacher and counselor) in suspected child abuse situations, potential suicides, etc.

-failed to see that if no law has been broken, feel free to read that again, then "Lock them up!" is the brother under the skin to "Lock her up!"

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Florida Teens Will Face Charges After Mocking, Filming Death Of Drowning Man (UPDATED) [View all] sheshe2 Jul 2017 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #1

Those are bullshit charges. They should be thrown out of court. COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #2

Public outrage demanded they find something to charge them with. EL34x4 Jul 2017 #3

And when a judge stops laughing long enough to throw COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #4

I agree. What they did was disgusting, but not a crime. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #13

It should be.. whathehell Jul 2017 #56

Right, or somesuch, elleng Jul 2017 #59

Yeah..There's a couple of posts here that I find disturbing whathehell Jul 2017 #60

Whathehell? Is all I have to say. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #80

Yep..That poster forgot to mention the victim was disabled too. whathehell Jul 2017 #83

Even with the disabled that only applies up to a point HockeyMom Jul 2017 #305

In pointing out the victim's disability, whathehell Jul 2017 #306

Amazing. cwydro Jul 2017 #112

It's not something I expected to see here. cwydro Jul 2017 #117

Yes, although I'd honestly be surprised to see it anywhere. whathehell Jul 2017 #207

Yes, as Democrats aren't we supposed to be about social responsibility? whathehell Jul 2017 #220

What is the definition of depraved indifference? Orrex Jul 2017 #273

I think they could be charged for filming it. forgotmylogin Jul 2017 #160

It is a crime...depraved indifference. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #222

"Depraved indifference" is not a crime. It is an element or descriptor. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #259

how about not reporting an accident. demigoddess Jul 2017 #262

It can be a crime...I hope there are some charges against these terrible kids...they serial killers Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #266

In Washington state it is a crime Generic Other Jul 2017 #307

Somehow I think "laughing" might be just a tad inappropriate here.. whathehell Jul 2017 #71

Not laughing about the incident - laughing about the fool of COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #85

Yes, but given the context, whathehell Jul 2017 #205

Yes. (Retired) COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #267

"Depraved indifference" most clearly apply to racists who want to bellow Judi Lynn Jul 2017 #175

Laughing? cwydro Jul 2017 #179

You are obviously desperate to find something to be COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #243

Did you read it all and have no outrage yourself? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #5

Yes but it is not a crime jberryhill Jul 2017 #9

But in the video, the observers say, "Oh he not coming back up" "He just died" aikoaiko Jul 2017 #35

Um jberryhill Jul 2017 #84

They left him and didn't tell anyone. kcr Jul 2017 #89

And if they called the medical examiner, he'd be alive? jberryhill Jul 2017 #93

Right. Laughing at him and doing nothing is the right move! kcr Jul 2017 #94

Excuse me? jberryhill Jul 2017 #96

You didn't? Could have fooled me with your posts in this thread. kcr Jul 2017 #98

Okay jberryhill Jul 2017 #100

I never claimed you approved of it. But it's clear you don't see anything wrong with it. kcr Jul 2017 #101

Again you couldn't be further from the truth jberryhill Jul 2017 #119

So what? Ask me how shocked I am that Florida doesn't have a law against this. kcr Jul 2017 #130

Will you be contacting your state legislators? jberryhill Jul 2017 #134

So you're going to double down kcr Jul 2017 #138

It will happen again jberryhill Jul 2017 #139

You are the one who is hung up on the legalities. kcr Jul 2017 #170

The title of this thread is "Florida Teens Face Charges" jberryhill Jul 2017 #171

You found it so disturbing that you were compelled to tell people it isn't illegal. kcr Jul 2017 #174

Hardly jberryhill Jul 2017 #176

So you have based everything you say here on the title of the article and nothing else. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #192

They are "little pieces of filth" as you put it jberryhill Jul 2017 #194

Pretty sure we cleared all this up in my post 200 sheshe2 Jul 2017 #202

It's a bad analogy. whathehell Jul 2017 #217

Give me some links. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #159

Links to what? jberryhill Jul 2017 #162

Here's a link jberryhill Jul 2017 #178

Excuse yourself.. whathehell Jul 2017 #216

wow. cwydro Jul 2017 #121

What's amazing? jberryhill Jul 2017 #125

Again. cwydro Jul 2017 #133

Then it should be. Mocking someone who is dying instead of doing anything at all to help like lunamagica Jul 2017 #146

I agree with you jberryhill Jul 2017 #149

Well, perhaps after this, it will be. lunamagica Jul 2017 #156

jberryhill once shot a man in Reno just to watch him die Orrex Jul 2017 #301

Thank you.. whathehell Jul 2017 #244

Hey, jberry sheshe2 Jul 2017 #97

Is that also a crime? jberryhill Jul 2017 #122

I think it is the least wrong, but it is the one that is codified. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #103

The law requires calling the ME, not someone else jberryhill Jul 2017 #127

Either way, but 911 dispatch can send the ME. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #140

Okay, so... jberryhill Jul 2017 #143

No I'm not, but apparently that's not against the law. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #147

Absurd.. whathehell Jul 2017 #209

Um.. whathehell Jul 2017 #215

It should be.. whathehell Jul 2017 #64

"Depraved indifference" is not a crime. It's an adjective. X_Digger Jul 2017 #118

So sorry, dear.. whathehell Jul 2017 #210

The kids in the video said he was not coming back up. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #87

See my post above jberryhill Jul 2017 #90

Just reading this thread is horrifying to me. cwydro Jul 2017 #108

I am here less and less. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #113

yes. cwydro Jul 2017 #116

Who is defending that behavior? jberryhill Jul 2017 #128

Still amazed. cwydro Jul 2017 #145

It's beyond mine too jberryhill Jul 2017 #151

Yet your focus has been on the law and that alone. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #166

This is one of two threads I've commented on this story jberryhill Jul 2017 #168

I did not say my OP was about criminal charges alone. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #181

No, the OP is about both common decency and criminal charges.. whathehell Jul 2017 #237

Apparently there are DUers who confuse General Discussion with a Law forum. whathehell Jul 2017 #226

It's less about "defending" and more about ignoring the absolute immorality of these acts whathehell Jul 2017 #218

It's not "hostility to the idea of legal sanctions" COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #254

Technically, no whathehell Jul 2017 #274

As an attorney my job is not to 'express disgust for the acts of the perpetrators'. It is to see COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #281

You're not at your job now --In fact, by your own admission, you're a RETIRED attorney whathehell Jul 2017 #294

Whether or not I'm practicing at the moment has nothing to do with COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #296

When you're a hammer, everything is a nail whathehell Jul 2017 #299

When the 'outraged community' gets the law changed, we'll talk. COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #300

"Until then the correct result occurred"? whathehell Jul 2017 #304

Whining because the law doesn't work the way you COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #308

Lol...Non-responsive whathehell Jul 2017 #309

No, cwyro, you belong here..The sociopaths who apparently don't know whathehell Jul 2017 #224

This has been an eye-opening thread. cwydro Jul 2017 #225

Agreed. Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #260

I did. Yes I am outraged, sickened and saddened. Caliman73 Jul 2017 #11

Not at all and I did not write the article, nor did I say that. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #15

Depraved Indifference.. whathehell Jul 2017 #40

I feel the most affinity with your post mchill Jul 2017 #43

Thank you..I am finding some of the other responses here whathehell Jul 2017 #54

I'm with you. cwydro Jul 2017 #172

Thank you for saying.. whathehell Jul 2017 #206

It will be the new tRump generation of sociopaths. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #45

In fairness, I can't blame this on Trump, but it does seems a relatively recent whathehell Jul 2017 #49

There is no criminal statute for 'Depraved Indifference to human life.' FFS. n/t X_Digger Jul 2017 #120

Then there should be.. whathehell Jul 2017 #208

"There oughta be a law!" X_Digger Jul 2017 #236

Thanks for confirming your lack of concern for social responsibility whathehell Jul 2017 #277

Honestly, I was more outraged reading about the BART passenger yesterday... EL34x4 Jul 2017 #27

I do have a few questions myself... Archae Jul 2017 #41

I read that he'd just had a family fight and his fiancee had left him MrPurple Jul 2017 #57

Ah, thanks for the info. Archae Jul 2017 #63

Having weed on them and maybe growing up in a gang environment, they weren't likely to call police MrPurple Jul 2017 #67

No excuse, and does NOT explain they're mocking & having "fun" with a dying man whathehell Jul 2017 #81

Agreed. Archae Jul 2017 #110

Yes they are. cwydro Jul 2017 #131

Weed. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #203

Well sheshe2 Jul 2017 #102

Suicide? "He was screaming for someone to help him." mcar Jul 2017 #223

That doesn't rule out suicide attempt. LisaL Jul 2017 #238

Regardless he was calling for help mcar Jul 2017 #239

He voluntarily went into water. So nobody murdered him. LisaL Jul 2017 #283

And i said that where, exactly? mcar Jul 2017 #295

"A career criminal who was just sprung from prison...I'm not losing any sleep" whathehell Jul 2017 #46

I have no clue why you would ever think to bring up his record... sheshe2 Jul 2017 #48

So why was he IN that pond? Archae Jul 2017 #53

The video is at the link...so is the rest of the story. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #58

Yeah..Like those filming & mocking this death were just responding to whathehell Jul 2017 #62

Whatever inspired you to decide you would post this man's mugshot, record? Judi Lynn Jul 2017 #65

+infinity. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #68

Same here, sheshe2. We both know progressives have never seen life that way. It doesn't happen. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2017 #73

This just hurts my heart. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #76

A need to rationalize his indifference? whathehell Jul 2017 #228

Since when did driving with a suspended license & other petty crap warrant the death penalty? catbyte Jul 2017 #95

Thank you, catbyte. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #105

Petty crap? He served four years for aggravated assault. EL34x4 Jul 2017 #212

The indifference these soulless freaks showed this man had NOTHING to do with his record whathehell Jul 2017 #232

How do you know that? How do you know they didn't know him? EL34x4 Jul 2017 #235

And what does any of that have to do with those little creeps delight at watching him drown? catbyte Jul 2017 #240

where am I? lunasun Jul 2017 #165

Dang, I'm asking myself the same. cwydro Jul 2017 #177

If you are ever unfortunate enough to encounter a dying person Swagman Jul 2017 #269

Yes, and public outrage is appropriate here. whathehell Jul 2017 #77

Just as with Zimmerman, the cops aren't trying to win sharedvalues Jul 2017 #50

Yep. You've got it. COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #86

Really? nt cwydro Jul 2017 #111

Yes. There are no laws that have been violated. COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #142

All good then. cwydro Jul 2017 #148

You seem to think that if one says, "no law has been broken" that that equates to.. X_Digger Jul 2017 #152

Some people have no sense of morality jberryhill Jul 2017 #157

"There oughta be a law!" X_Digger Jul 2017 #167

Looks like I should have appended the sarcasm tag. cwydro Jul 2017 #211

Except those of human decency.. whathehell Jul 2017 #234

You're confusing morality with legality. COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #241

No...Although they often do go hand, this thread is about human decency AND legality whathehell Jul 2017 #246

No. It's about whether these kids should be charged with a crime. COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #248

By virtue of what?...Who or what decides that? whathehell Jul 2017 #275

By virtue of the fact that we are a nation of laws which we have COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #280

The fact that we are a "nation of laws" does not define the subject of this thread.. whathehell Jul 2017 #293

The subject of this thread was supposed charges to be brought against COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #297

there are charges...depraved indifference comes to mind...I hope these little bastards Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #221

"Depraved indifference" is not a charge. It's an adjective used to define COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #242

Agreed. This is wrong. Being a bad person isn't against the law. Oneironaut Jul 2017 #252

One of the first rules of water rescue is not to swim out to a drowning person. They will climb you elehhhhna Jul 2017 #6

Then why did the not call 911 immediately? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #10

Probably because they wouldn't call 911 for any reason. EL34x4 Jul 2017 #17

Perhaps they were just underage, smoking pot as the link said... sheshe2 Jul 2017 #69

Right, so you just leave and do nothing. That makes sense /sarcasm kcr Jul 2017 #92

I won't call 911 for any reason. I don't want the police to come to me so they can find a criminal u KWR65 Jul 2017 #263

You'd have to be simple to believe that the police LittleBlue Jul 2017 #124

Ohh bullshit Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #204

I find it unlikely 911 could have gotten there in time even if they called. LisaL Jul 2017 #231

They were probably too stupid to remember the number LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2017 #23

I didn't say they aren't assholes with undeveloped frontal cortex's, who know water rescue elehhhhna Jul 2017 #47

Is filming and laughing also a rule of water rescue? sharedvalues Jul 2017 #51

Yes, thanks, that's a very succinct and accurate recap of my post elehhhhna Jul 2017 #75

Ok, sorry. I was a lifeguard, I practiced water rescues sharedvalues Jul 2017 #79

It was a perfectly valid question kcr Jul 2017 #104

Are you looking for argument? An extended post on water safety? elehhhhna Jul 2017 #106

Whoa... Backing away slowly n/t kcr Jul 2017 #107

Behaving like Republicans Achilleaze Jul 2017 #7

Please.. whathehell Jul 2017 #66

I just watched a report in this malaise Jul 2017 #8

Yes... sheshe2 Jul 2017 #12

Taught them no empathy. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #14

Thank you, Kevin. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #16

We use the word "rehabilitate." As if some people had been habilitated VermontKevin Jul 2017 #19

Sociopaths No conscience whathehell Jul 2017 #42

Foresight apkhgp Jul 2017 #25

Agreed malaise Jul 2017 #26

The are most definately headed down the wrong road. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #38

re: "When you exhibit a lack of empathy like this then it is only a matter of time..." thesquanderer Jul 2017 #55

Mocking apkhgp Jul 2017 #61

These kids are sociopaths. They may not have done anything technically illegal, but it smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #82

I agree. They are sociopaths. They have to be lunamagica Jul 2017 #135

Yes, these witnesses are vile, evil, perhaps even sociopathic. But "legal" is not "technically WinkyDink Jul 2017 #182

Ok, so it's "legal". They are still sociopathic little fuckers. smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #189

Does Florida not have a depraved indifference law? Solly Mack Jul 2017 #18

If not they should have, Solly. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #20

This went well beyond not rendering aid. They mocked a victim while he died. Solly Mack Jul 2017 #28

Still not a crime. Just heinous behavior. marybourg Jul 2017 #31

Pity. Horrible kids. The kind of kids people would want to avoid. Solly Mack Jul 2017 #33

"Depraved indifference" would not apply here. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #24

OK Solly Mack Jul 2017 #29

"Depraved indifference" only applies when you've marybourg Jul 2017 #32

OK Solly Mack Jul 2017 #34

Can you identify any state which does? jberryhill Jul 2017 #88

OK Solly Mack Jul 2017 #91

It's called Duty to Rescue and some states have it. kcr Jul 2017 #114

Thank you. Solly Mack Jul 2017 #115

Which states? jberryhill Jul 2017 #137

Perhaps I could kcr Jul 2017 #169

Even those states that have duty to rescue wouldn't demand a rescue if the rescue is dangerous for LisaL Jul 2017 #229

"Florida does not" have it.. whathehell Jul 2017 #227

"Depraved indifference" is not a crime. It's an adjective. X_Digger Jul 2017 #126

Thank you. Solly Mack Jul 2017 #129

jesus loves the little children nt msongs Jul 2017 #21

There is no American law that requires a bystander to help or even seek help for WinkyDink Jul 2017 #22

Not true. Some states do require it. Just not Florida n/t kcr Jul 2017 #123

It would be helpful if you identified one jberryhill Jul 2017 #158

Find one example of a prosecution. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #214

Nobody is going to require a rescue if this rescue is dangerous for the rescuer. LisaL Jul 2017 #230

Hey, it's Florida. They were standing marybourg Jul 2017 #30

Hate to be them when they're eventually outed. Iggo Jul 2017 #36

Yup... sheshe2 Jul 2017 #37

Its like a macabre scene from "Lord of the Flies". nt procon Jul 2017 #39

Kitty Genovese (nt) XRubicon Jul 2017 #44

... was not the situation that most think. See the wiki page for details. n/t X_Digger Jul 2017 #136

Really? XRubicon Jul 2017 #141

... X_Digger Jul 2017 #144

Read it again XRubicon Jul 2017 #150

Okaaay... X_Digger Jul 2017 #153

If you want to ignore that at least one person did not help her XRubicon Jul 2017 #155

Empathy is not taught well anymore bucolic_frolic Jul 2017 #52

How about instead of charging them, put their faces on every news media and all over the internet stevenleser Jul 2017 #70

That works for me Steve. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #74

That's a great idea, and I hope that if nothing else, the charges will make their faces and lunamagica Jul 2017 #154

I so agree with this. cwydro Jul 2017 #180

They are minors. LisaL Jul 2017 #233

They put it on social media treestar Jul 2017 #276

Clockwork Orange. Their only power was powerlessness, delisen Jul 2017 #72

This is one of the most awful stories I have heard, maybe... LAS14 Jul 2017 #78

This whole incident, and the rationalization of those "defending" those cruel beasts.... George II Jul 2017 #99

Posting the drowned man's rap sheet was cold. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #109

hey, it makes it all justified right? cwydro Jul 2017 #164

Agreed. Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #298

You're confusing pointing out that they broke no COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #163

They broke the law of humanity and decency. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #173

Pointing out facts is not "defending" anything. Disregarding facts is, however, what Trump voters WinkyDink Jul 2017 #213

I am defending the rule of law. And, your assertion to the COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #245

That may be true. My concern is with them being COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #256

It makes me very sad. cwydro Jul 2017 #183

Words Don't Suffice Me. Jul 2017 #132

Agree sheshe2 Jul 2017 #161

Your honor they did not have to rescue him Watchfoxheadexplodes Jul 2017 #184

Guess they were to busy filming his death to make the call. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #186

Said nobody COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #258

While I think most of us would love an opportunity to slap some sense Warpy Jul 2017 #185

I know there will probably be no charges. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #187

Dunno, I knew some callow shitheads in high school Warpy Jul 2017 #188

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #190

Lock 'em up! jberryhill Jul 2017 #191

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #193

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #195

Justice without hatred is an empty gesture jberryhill Jul 2017 #196

You attack the OP for calling them filth, yet you yourself called them "monsters." SunSeeker Jul 2017 #197

Thank you my friend. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #198

Love you she. SunSeeker Jul 2017 #199

I love you too, SunSeeker. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #201

Your friend that you were posting to? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #200

Florida: No need to help anyone HAB911 Jul 2017 #219

A requirement to help someone in this context COLGATE4 Jul 2017 #247

If they recorded it without sound, or the comments... maveric Jul 2017 #249

Since they are charged with failure to report death, presumably that wouldn't change LisaL Jul 2017 #250

I have slogged through this thread NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #251

I was rather appalled at the reaction here myself. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #261

I will not even attempt to find this video or watch it sdfernando Jul 2017 #253

As far as I can tell, you can't civilly (or criminally) charge a person for not LisaL Jul 2017 #255

But what about making a snuff film? sdfernando Jul 2017 #257

"Creative prosecutorial thinking" scares the ever-loving-shit out of me. X_Digger Jul 2017 #264

Here's an update-Florida teenagers who filmed drowning death will not be charged malaise Jul 2017 #265

My heart is broken. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #270

As I wrote early one wonders who brought these people up malaise Jul 2017 #272

Instead of trying to legislate morality and women's choice Horse with no Name Jul 2017 #278

They would have to clearly define 'render aid' malaise Jul 2017 #279

What if you don't have a phone on you? LisaL Jul 2017 #282

"render aid" can be defined simply as notification Horse with no Name Jul 2017 #284

Not everybody drives. LisaL Jul 2017 #285

I "get" what you are doing here Horse with no Name Jul 2017 #287

Lets say 10 people witness an accident. One calls 911, the other 9 do not. LisaL Jul 2017 #289

I'm not writing legislation here Horse with no Name Jul 2017 #291

Agreed - we have morons here who believe malaise Jul 2017 #286

I don't believe it's o'key to post videos of dead people without a though for the relatives. LisaL Jul 2017 #288

Who said that? malaise Jul 2017 #290

And if it's not "carefully" crafted it could make criminals out of a lot of people. LisaL Jul 2017 #292

some of the comments on here.. Swagman Jul 2017 #268

Scary malaise Jul 2017 #271

If these precious, beloved little innocent babies get the red out Jul 2017 #302

Man beating a child in Publix HockeyMom Jul 2017 #303

You did the right thing whathehell Jul 2017 #310

BESIDES THESE VERMIN, here is what I'm also shocked by: WinkyDink Jul 2017 #311