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MineralMan

(151,175 posts)
41. I expect that I might, at least in some areas, but I don't
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 09:34 AM
Jul 2017

expect I'll see very many of them. I plan to give any I see a very wide berth, too, just as I do drivers who have a cell phone in their hand.

I'm not just a tech writer. I'm also a programmer. I owned my own software company back in the day. I don't believe I've ever seen any piece of software that didn't contain some bugs and that didn't miss anticipating some sort of dumbass user error and dealing with it in a proper way. None one.

Operating a vehicle on a public road is an analog thing, not a digital one. It's actually impossible to predict all of the possible conditions and behaviors of other vehicles. Alert human beings, driving, can often react properly to things they had never anticipated happening. That's because the computers in their heads are extremely adaptive analog devices.

AI has improved. However, when you mix autonomous vehicles with human activities, there are going to be conflicts that were never anticipated or have been programmed for. That's why this whole bicycle thing is so important. As a human driver, I've had to deal with all sorts of bicycle, pedestrian and animal behavior on the road. Often, my anticipation of unexpected actions is the thing that has kept be from accidents.

Access to roadways is uncontrolled, except on limited access freeways. At any time, an object, person or animal may emerge onto the road, often from behind some obstruction. Sometimes, drivers can anticipate this by observing off-road conditions and sometimes not.
For the self-driving community to suggest that all bicyclists must have some sort of transponder is an admission that they have no way to deal with that otherwise.

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Well, see, autonomous cars are way, way more MineralMan Jul 2017 #1
There will have to be a standard adopted... Adrahil Jul 2017 #2
So, who is going to be paying for all of those transponders? MineralMan Jul 2017 #3
Yeah, probably the bicyclists. Adrahil Jul 2017 #5
There's two kinds of countries... JoeStuckInOH Jul 2017 #10
Even so.... Adrahil Jul 2017 #11
yeah, but then all the numbers won't be even anymore snooper2 Jul 2017 #15
The U.K. & Republic of Ireland use both Nevernose Jul 2017 #29
Just so you know NASA was using the metric system during TexasProgresive Jul 2017 #17
I know. I'm a mechanical engineer, myself. JoeStuckInOH Jul 2017 #18
Sorry, it didn't work for me. TexasProgresive Jul 2017 #20
If self-driving cars were possible 10 years ago, my grandmother could have stayed in her home. politicat Jul 2017 #12
I doubt it, and not for long. MineralMan Jul 2017 #13
Unless you plan on dying in the next 5 years you will see self driving cars on the roads..... USALiberal Jul 2017 #22
Didn't they just pull the driverless cars off the streets in the Bay Area? brush Jul 2017 #31
I expect that I might, at least in some areas, but I don't MineralMan Jul 2017 #41
I wonder if Uber, Lyft, etc will change that crazycatlady Jul 2017 #34
Three years too late, for her. politicat Jul 2017 #38
Bike helmets composed of aluminum foil are highly visible to the AI killbot's sensors (photo) populistdriven Jul 2017 #4
Autonomous cars are a stupid fucking idea Spider Jerusalem Jul 2017 #6
And once the cyclists have one, pedestrians will need one. Then strollers, then wagons, then... Shandris Jul 2017 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #8
Another reason not to ride in the road. I stay on sidewalks with my bike. JoeStuckInOH Jul 2017 #9
No they need to not run us down scarytomcat Jul 2017 #14
Don't play in traffic Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2017 #16
We're SOL Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #19
Yes, about 5-10 years. n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #23
There are some serious privacy issues that are going to be in play Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #21
All of this will be worked out. You cannot stop progress. Ask the horse and buggy people. n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #24
At least the driver will not be on tweeter or shaving. CK_John Jul 2017 #25
Cyclists have no rights. Noodleboy13 Jul 2017 #26
Bah! Oubaas Jul 2017 #27
Looks like the real fun of driving is being removed. I would rather have a car that NCjack Jul 2017 #28
And pedestrians will need to have chips implanted so cars don't run them down. No thanks. n/t Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #30
What About Wildlife? Oubaas Jul 2017 #32
You're BAD! but make great points. n/t TexasProgresive Jul 2017 #33
They tried putting warning whistles on vehicles to scare the deer out of the way csziggy Jul 2017 #35
Yeah, They Don't... Oubaas Jul 2017 #36
I read stories about people on horseback getting injured csziggy Jul 2017 #37
Self driving cars are the republican ideal ProudLib72 Jul 2017 #39
It's bad enough for cyclists as it is with the distracted driving. kcr Jul 2017 #40
I had a scare 10 years ago that got me off my bikes. TexasProgresive Jul 2017 #42
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