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Hortensis

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55. :) Let's repeat, you AGREE with the OP but are responding
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 09:50 AM
Jul 2017

with your feelings as a father about a valid but limited message.

But, I'm curious. What DID you find out? Does clothing compare at all as a factor to LOCATION?

Or does location, being in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people, far, far, far outweigh clothing? As a father and sensible man, you know the answer of course.

I entirely agree with both the OP and with you in saying what I'm copying below.

But, the pretence that how women dress is as significant, and more, than all other much more important, real-world, factors comes to us via social/religious conservatives who want to confine women to what they consider traditional roles. "Good" women, to be protected. Harlots who deserve whatever happens to them.

And of course, many of this subgroup decide who are the good women and who deserve what they're "asking for" at a glance by how they dress. Maybe warn your daughter about these potentially dangerous people to NOT hang with? Identifying social conservative males hostile to modern female behaviors isn't all that hard when you know what to look for.

I guess what bother me about these sorts of posts as a guy with a young daughter is they seem to want to be about what is right instead of what is.

I know I will not be telling my daughter she should wear whatever she wants whenever she wants. I will be teaching her that some men are worse than dogs and while it sucks it is reality and that she should do whatever she can to protect herself including paying attention to her surroundings and eliminating risks where possible.

I agree with the person who posted the pic of her dog that men should be better..the problem is they aren't. Like her dog some are great but at the same time try that with another dog and they will probably eat the steak.

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I saw that on FB this morning... Liberal Jesus Freak Jul 2017 #1
Yes, so simple. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #3
Well said! GeoWilliam750 Jul 2017 #2
Yes it was! sheshe2 Jul 2017 #4
I am curious what people who write these kinds of things are looking for Egnever Jul 2017 #5
They want to wake up the enablers lostnfound Jul 2017 #6
Does this extend to defense lawyers as well? Major Nikon Jul 2017 #12
Never break kayfabe. AngryAmish Jul 2017 #52
Thank you Pacifist Patriot Jul 2017 #54
To answer just your first question, PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #7
I don't think there is any question who the problem is when it comes to rape Egnever Jul 2017 #9
Keep in mind it has NOTHING to do with how she's dressed. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #37
I will say this Egnever Jul 2017 #42
:) Let's repeat, you AGREE with the OP but are responding Hortensis Jul 2017 #55
women, girls heaven05 Jul 2017 #63
thank you sheshe2 Jul 2017 #64
Rape has nothing to do with sexual attraction. yardwork Jul 2017 #65
Thank you. cwydro Jul 2017 #67
Think of this as an opportunity to educate. yardwork Jul 2017 #69
Well done, I thank you, Poindexter. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #26
"What is the end game here? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #11
Sorry but no Egnever Jul 2017 #13
Power as defined by what? ck4829 Jul 2017 #50
Are you fucking kidding me? ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #58
You said it yourself: it's about POWER. NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #59
Why does there need to be an 'end game' at all? ck4829 Jul 2017 #49
she made her point perfectly clear. niyad Jul 2017 #60
That's because it has nothing to do with what someone is wearing ProudLib72 Jul 2017 #8
Oh I disagree entirely Egnever Jul 2017 #10
What provolks them when they rape an eighty year old woman? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #14
No way of knowing that Egnever Jul 2017 #16
So. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #21
No I suggest Egnever Jul 2017 #32
The trope of blaming the victim and thinking it is your ally is truly delusional ck4829 Jul 2017 #51
Oh. "Asking for it" ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #61
This is poor ethics, you are advocating a position that conservative clothing reduces rape.. JHan Jul 2017 #15
No Egnever Jul 2017 #17
"I am arguing that provocative clothing is in fact provocative"... JHan Jul 2017 #18
Did you even read the link? Egnever Jul 2017 #19
You didn't read it did you.. look at the excerpt I highlighted. JHan Jul 2017 #20
We are equally raped under the law! The poster said so. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #24
Honestly I hadn't read it fully Egnever Jul 2017 #27
I think the analogy works: the dog responds that way because it is socialized to do so.. JHan Jul 2017 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author chowder66 Jul 2017 #70
yes, Damned if we do , damned if we don't. JHan Jul 2017 #71
There shouldn't be any categories on the victims however chowder66 Jul 2017 #72
Yes... JHan Jul 2017 #73
Hmmm. You said... sheshe2 Jul 2017 #22
Just once it would be great to have an exchange with you Egnever Jul 2017 #29
From you...admitting you never read the whole article. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #35
Why did you do this? melman Jul 2017 #33
Read all. Including the article that they say they did not read. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #43
WTF? "provocative clothing is in fact provocative." hunter Jul 2017 #23
Those who don't want to have their cars stolen should drive crappy cars. lapucelle Jul 2017 #25
I think you are right Egnever Jul 2017 #28
Thanks, hunter. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #30
Women wearing nun's habits, full battle gear and burkas are raped sarge43 Jul 2017 #62
So Basically When It Gets Down To It Me. Jul 2017 #34
Boom! sheshe2 Jul 2017 #36
And It Goes Without Saying That Rape Occurs In Saudi Arabia Me. Jul 2017 #40
Yes, sheshe2 Jul 2017 #41
Hookers and strippers are dressing for the job they're doing. Lyricalinklines Jul 2017 #44
I am in no way saying it is an excuse for the rapist Egnever Jul 2017 #45
You are mistaken. Sexual attraction doesn't lead to rape. yardwork Jul 2017 #66
Omg. cwydro Jul 2017 #68
"She was asking for it. Look at what she was wearing." lapucelle Jul 2017 #31
Your link. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #39
Great. I do not like to hear "Rape is God's Will", no it is not, it is a decision by Thinkingabout Jul 2017 #56
You are absolutely right, Thinkingabout. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #57
Thank you! sheshe2 Jul 2017 #46
K&R Gothmog Jul 2017 #38
K&R ck4829 Jul 2017 #48
Bravo! And bravo again! Girard442 Jul 2017 #53
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