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beam me up scottie

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85. Why do you keep bringing up Bernie? This isn't just his fight.

Sat Jul 29, 2017, 07:08 PM

Jul 2017

I get that it's easier to dismiss Medicare for All by associating it with Bernie but it's silly to pretend he's the only one who supports it when so many other well informed and respected legislators also agree with him.

Like John Conyers who keeps doggedly introducing the bill year after year, or the many many Democrats in Congress who recently signed it:

http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676

Funny how no one here seemed to oppose Medicare for All every other year it was introduced. Why is it suddenly verboten to consider this bill? Why the need to shout down anyone who supports it and pretend they're naive for doing so? I find all of the recent anger about single payer a little strange.

If your 'experts' disagree they can bring up their concerns during hearings, why shut it down before they can even make their case? Why not let our lawmakers figure it out?

I stand with John Conyers and the 103 other representatives who cosponsored his bill.

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HR 676 !!! - Let's put Single Payer into the conversation: [View all] annabanana Jul 2017 OP

Time for a better marketing name Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #1

Call it Sammy! I don't care. We just need to get the discussion OUT there. annabanana Jul 2017 #2

Agree in a way, but sadly, KGOP is light years Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #3

Heh. Didn't read the body Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #4

How about one less word, maybe 'PUBLIC HEALTHCARE' nolabels Jul 2017 #5

How about "Universal Health Care Coverage" ehrnst Jul 2017 #6

No. Sounds like for-profit insurance leftstreet Jul 2017 #16

It's the correct term. And "Public" will be hammered ehrnst Jul 2017 #24

No one cares what the rest of the world has leftstreet Jul 2017 #30

Sure they do and you see that argument here all the time. "The rest of the developed world has..." stevenleser Jul 2017 #31

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #32

Medicare isn't single payer. ehrnst Jul 2017 #7

I believe that 'single payer' means... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #9

No. Single Payer means one entity paying all basic health care ehrnst Jul 2017 #11

No, the VA is not 'single payer' - it is true socialized medicine... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #12

The two of you are talking past each other to an extent. There are a couple of points though stevenleser Jul 2017 #15

Familiar with Daivd Jolly's idea? Bradshaw3 Jul 2017 #93

What I am trying to say is that "Medicare for all" and "Single Payer" are not the same thing. ehrnst Jul 2017 #17

Yep, I agree 100%. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #19

This makes a lot of sense Bradshaw3 Jul 2017 #91

It was part of HRC's plan. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #99

Excellent again! First things first. R B Garr Jul 2017 #96

Medicareforall.org has detailed information on HR 676 lapucelle Jul 2017 #83

Yep. It's a conversation starter. ehrnst Jul 2017 #100

If you don't want to preach to the choir: Patriotcare, Americare... (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #38

+1000 Americare! marylandblue Jul 2017 #51

Americare stage left Jul 2017 #89

I like that.. Americare. KentuckyWoman Jul 2017 #109

Yeap YCHDT Jul 2017 #111

This is what I spout. Most understand it and sees it work for their elderly family Purveyor Jul 2017 #81

Amen! And strike while the iron is hot rurallib Jul 2017 #8

U R G Ne US (A!). It's all about the marketing: Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #10

Marketing is a badgered word but in reality it is something we couldn't live without nolabels Jul 2017 #52

Exactly: from Edward bernays to Fred Koch to James Buchanan Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #54

Thank you, that's a cool book nolabels Aug 2017 #112

Been trying to spread the word Gabi Hayes Aug 2017 #113

No it is not...the first job is to save the ACA...for God's sake people...lets deal with our reality Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #48

Medicare is a term people recognize and like. davsand Jul 2017 #13

Way, way, way more than a "bit of tweaking." ehrnst Jul 2017 #21

Single payer was introduced and voted on yesterday by a Republican. Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #14

I think that's a trap we're going to fall right into ehrnst Jul 2017 #18

That was my point. Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #20

No worries - realized I needed to edit. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #22

Exactly, that's the kind of game that is being played. R B Garr Jul 2017 #95

that link is to everything done in the house...What was the number? annabanana Jul 2017 #23

Sorry about that. Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #27

Every member of the senate Democratic caucus voted "present". lapucelle Jul 2017 #86

Here is Rep. Conyers reaction to his bill being appropriated: lapucelle Jul 2017 #84

We need to seperate healthcare from health insurance DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #25

I don't think we should have preconditions that are unrelated to outcomes stevenleser Jul 2017 #29

Yes! We have to acknowledge that medical care costs money - a lot. ehrnst Jul 2017 #34

Before he went over to the dark side, Kucinich DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #41

Are you sure it was the private insurance? forthemiddle Jul 2017 #44

The "Medicare for all" that was being put forward by Sanders ehrnst Jul 2017 #45

I agree forthemiddle Jul 2017 #49

The total healthcare expediture money is there, it's DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #61

I may agree with you forthemiddle Jul 2017 #62

Civil servants DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #92

So tell us how that money will be re-allocated. ehrnst Jul 2017 #65

How about out of insurance premiums, insurance admin salaries, DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #94

That's a small part of the total. But HOW do you re-allocate that? You stated where from and who to. ehrnst Jul 2017 #97

I don't have all, or even many, of the answers DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #101

Those questions all have to be answered. ehrnst Jul 2017 #102

Offer your idea(s) then. DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #106

Gradual expansion of the ACA is what health policy experts say is most realistic. ehrnst Jul 2017 #110

No, not completely sure DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #59

You are absolutely right; however lapucelle Jul 2017 #87

The payment system is a part of health care. You have to have a pool of payers ehrnst Jul 2017 #33

That isnt single payer bill, is it? Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #26

Good catch. See my correction in #35. (n/t) Jim Lane Jul 2017 #37

Health Care USA. Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #28

Bill number and link in OP are wrong Jim Lane Jul 2017 #35

thanks.. fixed annabanana Jul 2017 #40

No, it is a bad idea. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #36

Jimmy Carter and AL Gore recently spoke out in favour of single payer universal health care. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #39

That depends on how Americans hear opposing arguments ehrnst Jul 2017 #43

I don't base my opinions on what others think, especially the American public. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #56

I'm giving you data on what the public actually thinks ehrnst Jul 2017 #63

It's not denial, I simply don't care what the public thinks about human rights. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #69

It appears that you don't care what the data show, and what health policy experts say. ehrnst Jul 2017 #76

A majority thinks the government should provide health care for its citizens beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #82

No they are not 'behind it'. Most still get healthcare from work and this will never pass... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #47

So I should trust Republican political instincts instead? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #55

How about sticking with actual politically neutral experts on health policy? ehrnst Jul 2017 #64

You mean like physicians? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #67

I mean like health policy experts ehrnst Jul 2017 #70

Yeah, still not interested in straw men. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #71

Straw man because you don't understand what I'm saying? ehrnst Jul 2017 #72

You keep bringing up other people's opinions as if they're more worthy of consideration. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #75

Um... you were the one who stated that "a majority of Americans" wanted Single Payer.... ehrnst Jul 2017 #77

No, you do what you can now...you won't get single payer and if you try ...then the GOP will attack Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #73

Tell that to Dems in Congress - a majority cosponsored the bill and I agree with them. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #80

And McConnell is already using it to hurt the Democrats. Stupid when it has no shot of passing. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #98

"Huffff......European health care! Harrrumpf!" RhodeIslandOne Jul 2017 #42

Again no and no and no. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #46

We need to do something to get away from healthcare in the US being used for social control ck4829 Jul 2017 #50

Call it HEALTHY HUMANS pangaia Jul 2017 #53

SOCIALISM!!1! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #57

YIKES, man.... WARN ME!!!! pangaia Jul 2017 #58

Sorry about that. Here, take this, it will make you feel better: beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #60

Well, the GOP managed to convince a huge number that Obama was socialist. ehrnst Jul 2017 #66

So why are you trying to convince me that I shouldn't support single payer health care? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #68

I'm saying that health policy experts say it's not as simple as you say it is. ehrnst Jul 2017 #74

When did I say it was simple? No one thinks this is simple or easy. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #78

You seem to think that because a "majority of Democratic Reps" and "the Public" ehrnst Jul 2017 #79

Why do you keep bringing up Bernie? This isn't just his fight. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #85

Oh - I guess you weren't done. ehrnst Jul 2017 #88

Read the bill for yourself and see who consigned it, that's why I provided a link. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #90

I did read the bill. ehrnst Jul 2017 #103

Conyers has introduced this bill every year for the past 15 years, lapucelle Jul 2017 #104

When something becomes dogma, debate becomes unwelcome and often impossible ehrnst Jul 2017 #105

There does seem to be a bandwagon effect lapucelle Jul 2017 #107

Yep - I certainly don't have a problem with debate on universal health care coverage or single payer ehrnst Jul 2017 #108