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In reply to the discussion: HR 676 !!! - Let's put Single Payer into the conversation: [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)90. Read the bill for yourself and see who consigned it, that's why I provided a link.
Here's a helpful article that may clear up what I meant when I said a majority of Dems in Congress support it:
Why So Many Democrats Are Embracing Single-Payer Health Care
Vocal support for universal coverage is on the rise among Democrats in Congress, though the party is far from united on the issue.
Since losing the White House last year, a growing number of Democrats in Congress have embraced the idea of universal, single-payer health care, setting up an inevitable confrontation between the liberal and centrist wings of the party over its future.
Emboldened by Hillary Clintons 2016 defeat, and the Republican effort to dismantle former President Barack Obamas signature health-care law, progressive lawmakers and activists are trying to move single payer into the party mainstream. There are signs the idea is winning traction: For the first time ever, a majority of House Democrats have signed up to support Medicare for all single-payer legislation, a threshold crossed in the aftermath of the presidential election. A number of influential Senate Democrats have also expressed support for single payer in the midst of the current Republican health-care push, which is now in doubt as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell pushes for an Obamacare repeal vote.
If youre serious about real health-care reform, it has got to be on the agenda, and I would hope that as many Democrats as possible support it, Senator Bernie Sanders said in a recent interview after a rally against the GOP health-care bill in Kentucky, where he promised that as soon as we defeat this terrible Republican proposal, he would introduce his own Medicare-for-all legislation. Its going to be a tough fight, Sanders said, but it is a fight that has to be waged, because it is the only rational solution to the health-care crisis that we face.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/healthcare-congress-bernie-sanders-single-payer-obamacare/533595/
Vocal support for universal coverage is on the rise among Democrats in Congress, though the party is far from united on the issue.
Since losing the White House last year, a growing number of Democrats in Congress have embraced the idea of universal, single-payer health care, setting up an inevitable confrontation between the liberal and centrist wings of the party over its future.
Emboldened by Hillary Clintons 2016 defeat, and the Republican effort to dismantle former President Barack Obamas signature health-care law, progressive lawmakers and activists are trying to move single payer into the party mainstream. There are signs the idea is winning traction: For the first time ever, a majority of House Democrats have signed up to support Medicare for all single-payer legislation, a threshold crossed in the aftermath of the presidential election. A number of influential Senate Democrats have also expressed support for single payer in the midst of the current Republican health-care push, which is now in doubt as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell pushes for an Obamacare repeal vote.
If youre serious about real health-care reform, it has got to be on the agenda, and I would hope that as many Democrats as possible support it, Senator Bernie Sanders said in a recent interview after a rally against the GOP health-care bill in Kentucky, where he promised that as soon as we defeat this terrible Republican proposal, he would introduce his own Medicare-for-all legislation. Its going to be a tough fight, Sanders said, but it is a fight that has to be waged, because it is the only rational solution to the health-care crisis that we face.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/healthcare-congress-bernie-sanders-single-payer-obamacare/533595/
Note the bolded and underlined text.
And what?
whose jobs don't depend on pleasing constituents
It's interesting that you're able to casually dismiss John Conyers' efforts to introduce single payer as simply "pleasing constituents" but I give him much more credit than that.
He's only human of course so you could be right about his motivation but I've never seen any indication that it's a publicity stunt to curry favour. I tend to think when a congressman fights for something year after year against all odds it's a good indication that he's doing it for a reason other than getting reelected.
And as usual, your mileage may vary.
So unless you can come up with a more compelling reason why I shouldn't support this bill and our Democrats in Congress who sponsored it I'm done. I've proven that this is no longer a pipe dream by fringe leftists. It's not perfect but it deserves to be debated in the House and Senate, not dismissed as a stunt. I've got horses to feed and I've spent way too much time defending single payer. Some people will never get behind it for whatever reason, there will always be an excuse to keep the profit in health care and I remain optimistic that we can get it passed anyway.
People who oppose abortion will never support my right to choose and those who oppose civil rights will never get behind any civil rights legislation. Conservatives and libertarians can't be reached but we don't need them to agree with us in order to make progress and give everyone health care. Let them whine.
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Sure they do and you see that argument here all the time. "The rest of the developed world has..."
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#31
The two of you are talking past each other to an extent. There are a couple of points though
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#15
What I am trying to say is that "Medicare for all" and "Single Payer" are not the same thing.
ehrnst
Jul 2017
#17
This is what I spout. Most understand it and sees it work for their elderly family
Purveyor
Jul 2017
#81
Marketing is a badgered word but in reality it is something we couldn't live without
nolabels
Jul 2017
#52
No it is not...the first job is to save the ACA...for God's sake people...lets deal with our reality
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#48
That's a small part of the total. But HOW do you re-allocate that? You stated where from and who to.
ehrnst
Jul 2017
#97
Gradual expansion of the ACA is what health policy experts say is most realistic.
ehrnst
Jul 2017
#110
Jimmy Carter and AL Gore recently spoke out in favour of single payer universal health care.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#39
I don't base my opinions on what others think, especially the American public.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#56
It's not denial, I simply don't care what the public thinks about human rights.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#69
It appears that you don't care what the data show, and what health policy experts say.
ehrnst
Jul 2017
#76
A majority thinks the government should provide health care for its citizens
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#82
No they are not 'behind it'. Most still get healthcare from work and this will never pass...
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#47
You keep bringing up other people's opinions as if they're more worthy of consideration.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#75
Um... you were the one who stated that "a majority of Americans" wanted Single Payer....
ehrnst
Jul 2017
#77
No, you do what you can now...you won't get single payer and if you try ...then the GOP will attack
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#73
Tell that to Dems in Congress - a majority cosponsored the bill and I agree with them.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#80
And McConnell is already using it to hurt the Democrats. Stupid when it has no shot of passing.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#98
We need to do something to get away from healthcare in the US being used for social control
ck4829
Jul 2017
#50
So why are you trying to convince me that I shouldn't support single payer health care?
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#68
Read the bill for yourself and see who consigned it, that's why I provided a link.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#90