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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders says liberals shouldnt trust Democrats [View all]haele
(15,418 posts)not an Establishment. Now, you can talk about Democratic Money, but that's different than a Democratic Establishment, because donors to the Democratic party are not lockstep in the reasons for their funding. The Democratic platform is wide ranging, and diverse in core values.
Democratic socialism is an economic ideology that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production, often with an emphasis on democratic management of enterprises within a Socialist economic system.
A Social Democracy is a socialist government achieved by Democratic means.
So Sen. Sanders is going to be focused on Socialist platforms - workplace, economics, finances. He's not going to be as concerned about the societal balance between gender, race, religion, environment, health, education, rural/urban issues, and public safety - because while there might be some overlap in the influences these issues have within his self-admitted SOCIALIST ECONOMIC FOCUS, they are only seen as economic components to be balanced, not personal interests or governance components.
Civil Rights is important to a Democratic Socialist insofar as it affects the social ownership of the means of production. Environmentalism, likewise.
As for Environmentalism or Civil Rights as a straight up "Bleeding Heart Hippy Liberal" issue - as in social or legal/regulatory functions are not as important to him as the economic impact to the social ownership or management of a resource or enterprise.
And that's where the Democratic Coalition separates from Bernie Sanders. I'm not saying he's all wrong...he's basically a Trotskyite. And so, he's not as concerned about some Liberal issues as he is others.
To reiterate - there is no Democratic Establishment. There's a Democratic Coalition, and several different spokespeople for the party depending on what is being discussed.
The pushback Sen. Sanders (along with the "Bernie Bro's" and Limousine Liberals) is feeling is that which results whenever someone who lives for their agenda tries to force the Coalition to become an Establishment - to push their particular "vision" on how the U.S. is going to be on everyone else instead of negotiating priorities.
"Bow Down and follow us" is what the Republican Party pushes.
On 2nd edit - There's a place for Sen. Sanders and his Democratic Socialist movement in the Democratic Coalition. In fact, a good half the coalition is nominally Democratic Socialist (except, of course, for the trust fund babies and people who forgot how hard it is to be well off).
Unfortunately, since this country is set up for a two-party political system instead of a parliamentary system, Sen. Sanders (or any independent or ideologically more strict representative) does not have the power to dictate the way the party goes.
He has to take his place at the table like everyone else does if he wants any say or power.
Haele