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Jim Lane

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166. This thread has good news and bad news.

Reply to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 07:40 AM

Aug 2017

I'm glad to see that the lie in the headline was exposed (particular kudos to sandensea for tireless vigilance). I'm also glad to see that even some DUers who've criticized Bernie have had the intellectual integrity to recognize that this particular criticism is bullshit.

OTOH, it's depressing to see how many people fell for the bullshit.

My preview of next week's installment:

News report: Bernie Sanders, after finishing some research in a public library, reshelved the books. Asked why he didn't just pile them on the table for the librarians to reshelve, he said, "We don't need to make them tidy up."

Headline on RawStory or its ilk: "Sanders dumps on public-employee unions; 'We don't need' them, he says"

DU Bernie-bashers: Post misleading story, rec the thread, defy common sense to defend the headline ("The quotation is accurate!&quot , denounce Bernie, feel righteous.

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Bernie Sanders says liberals shouldnt trust Democrats [View all] comradebillyboy Jul 2017 OP

This is why I no longer support him kimbutgar Jul 2017 #1

Same :-/ I like his platform. His tactics cause things like a Trump presidency though. Ezior Jul 2017 #13

He didn't say that (it's FAKE News). sandensea Jul 2017 #20

What was the quote about lies then? I'd love to see that in context. bettyellen Jul 2017 #29

It's in the Raw Story writer's imagination. sandensea Jul 2017 #31

The story quoted two interviews- Newsweek and the New Yorker. Are you claiming the direct quote ... bettyellen Jul 2017 #33

Yes, because it doesn't appear even once in either the Newsweek or New Yorker piece. sandensea Jul 2017 #36

It does appear- but it's about Trump, so I agree the Rawstory article is misleading bettyellen Jul 2017 #45

This was, as our friend Cheeto might put it, Fake News. sandensea Jul 2017 #58

This something Cheeto says about things he doesn't like about himself. Ninsianna Jul 2017 #131

Not true. You overlooked it. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #99

It's in the New Yorker story Raw story quoted. Why didn't you read it? It's right here: pnwmom Jul 2017 #98

Not the same thing -- though I can see KPN Jul 2017 #110

They didn't put the words in his mouth -- he said not to underestimate the resistance pnwmom Jul 2017 #114

Well, we disagree. Bernie expressed his observation. He didn't say don't trust KPN Jul 2017 #120

I would have thought that people would have learned by now pnwmom Jul 2017 #122

I don't see the establishment as a 200 year old institution. You are right, we are better off -- KPN Aug 2017 #171

It would seem that the "Raw Story Writer" is the one who is imaginary, since Ninsianna Jul 2017 #125

Easy -- google Bernie Sanders New Yorker and look for the Aug 8, 2017 magazine link. KPN Jul 2017 #108

Yes he did. DanTex Jul 2017 #72

There's no "liberals shouldn't trust Democrats" anywhere in your excerpt sandensea Jul 2017 #75

There aren't quotes around that in the title of the OP. That's not a quote. DanTex Jul 2017 #79

It's not accurate paraphrasing. sandensea Jul 2017 #82

Of course it is. DanTex Jul 2017 #83

Criticizing the Democratic establishment is not tantamount to asking liberals to shun Democrats sandensea Jul 2017 #85

Nobody claimed he asked liberals to shun Democrats, "shun" is your word. DanTex Jul 2017 #88

"Liberals shouldn't trust Democrats" as a headline? sandensea Jul 2017 #90

Maybe it means they adopted some or a lot of his agenda after much resistance. KPN Jul 2017 #112

he is saying... xajj4791 Jul 2017 #157

Well, do we have single payer? Are they pushing enough?Are they reaching the Bernie crowd?Let's look The Wielding Truth Aug 2017 #178

Yes it is, in the context of the whole paragraph. pnwmom Jul 2017 #100

I'm with you. Bad headline. trof Jul 2017 #106

i never liked him even years ago. just another angry white guy telling me what to do.. samnsara Jul 2017 #66

What did he tell you to do? aikoaiko Jul 2017 #102

Bernie turned me into a newt! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #104

you make me laugh out loud, literally. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #105

Thanks! You're the second person to tell me that today. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #107

Quote like that should always be followed up with ... "Wuh ... I got BETTER!" (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2017 #176

I for one of the common folk can see what Bernie is talking about Stargazer99 Jul 2017 #101

Jesus. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #2

More like Holy Machiavelli. sandensea Jul 2017 #41

Who said the headline was a quote? I didn't see any quote marks in the headline. Did you? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #43

Bernie Sanders says... sandensea Jul 2017 #50

This kind of nitpicking and hair-splitting doesn't make for a good defense. His meaning is clear... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #95

Instead there all those words that say pretty much that. Ninsianna Jul 2017 #129

The quote in the OP is definitely in the article. nt R B Garr Jul 2017 #46

Where? sandensea Jul 2017 #52

Moulitsas is right. The pretend "Unity Tour" has made a mockery of the party and divided us MrsCoffee Jul 2017 #3

I don't think the headline matches mac56 Jul 2017 #4

The headline I used is the RAW STORY headline. comradebillyboy Jul 2017 #9

Neither do I. And it certainly doesn't KPN Jul 2017 #113

He just can't help himself can he. Phoenix61 Jul 2017 #5

Sometimes, maybe - but he didn't say that. sandensea Jul 2017 #70

Thank you for your concern gratuitous Jul 2017 #6

Noted with no more and no less fanfare than its immediate dismissal and trivialization. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #15

Using a populist to undercut the Party. Where have I seen this before? NightWatcher Jul 2017 #7

It suited quite a few of us Flying Squirrel Jul 2017 #153

The writer seems to be putting words in his mouth. sandensea Jul 2017 #8

This is like The Hill/Nancy Pelosi crap. n/t demmiblue Jul 2017 #12

Exactly. sandensea Jul 2017 #16

The comment itself comes from a quote in comradebillyboy Jul 2017 #14

It's not quoted in the New Yorker article either. sandensea Jul 2017 #18

It's Raw Story; expect nothing more. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2017 #53

Apparently so. sandensea Jul 2017 #55

They've been crap since day one, spinning actual journalism for clicks. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2017 #57

I see. sandensea Jul 2017 #61

It's Newsweek, referencing the New Yorker. Ninsianna Jul 2017 #134

He didn't say liberals "shouldn't trust Democrats." The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #10

It's quoting two different sources so it's hard to say- but the part where he says they "lied" needs bettyellen Jul 2017 #17

He did not say "they" lied. Its already very clear. KTM Jul 2017 #146

The Raw story edits it to cut out the reference to Trump... so that sucks. bettyellen Jul 2017 #149

No, it doesn't. KTM Jul 2017 #156

You're right, the New Yorker included it all in one paragraph so it's easier to read .... bettyellen Aug 2017 #161

Thanks for your concern, comrade. n/t demmiblue Jul 2017 #11

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #19

Preach! NurseJackie Jul 2017 #24

K + R Raastan Jul 2017 #37

I cant say that but am glad you did. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #64

Say what? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #89

Thom does work on that Russian TV station. If you're on Russian TV, does that R B Garr Jul 2017 #103

Well, were I to comment I would get in trouble, but trust me, the best way Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #109

Yes, and that Russian TV Thom guy and Bernie host sure does R B Garr Jul 2017 #136

At This Point and itcfish Jul 2017 #21

Bernie didn't do any damage. Flying Squirrel Jul 2017 #150

I said I was itcfish Aug 2017 #169

Who? LexVegas Jul 2017 #22

I'd prefer to read the whole quote in context... Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #23

Bernie, I will believe the Demacratic establishment all american girl Jul 2017 #25

You'd think by now he'd learn to stay away from attacking Democrats brush Jul 2017 #96

Hear! Hear! lunamagica Jul 2017 #139

Still attacking with the same old lines about white guys? Flying Squirrel Jul 2017 #154

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #177

I stand with Bernie Sanders aikoaiko Jul 2017 #26

The Democratic Establishment is women and PoC. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #28

and white men, too. Now that we've covered some basic demographics... aikoaiko Jul 2017 #34

I can't make heads or tails of your question. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #39

Sorry Kevin, but White men are still part of the Democratic Party establishment aikoaiko Jul 2017 #78

Only those of us who chose to leave aren't still welcomed. But I'm glad that the Democratic VermontKevin Jul 2017 #92

Agreed.. disillusioned73 Jul 2017 #80

With you on that. KPN Jul 2017 #115

When we had elected centrist in red states, we were in the majority. do you think it is Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #167

So what part of the current platform would you like to see move toward Republicans or the center? aikoaiko Aug 2017 #168

We don't need to change the platform and Sen. Sanders has supported to pro-life candidates... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #183

Bernie has much harsher criticisms of Republicans than Democrats. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #184

The Democratic Establishment is women and PoC. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #27

Really? Care to elaborate? KPN Jul 2017 #116

Go to a local Dem meeting, and I won't have to. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #117

I do. Central Committee member. KPN Jul 2017 #121

How bad did Dems lose there? I bet you guys have a lot of work to do! bettyellen Jul 2017 #130

Well, we lost the presidential GE. But ... KPN Aug 2017 #170

So an Oregon district that went for Trump? All in all... that's a problem, not an example for us. bettyellen Aug 2017 #173

No, it wasn't a district, it was a County. KPN Aug 2017 #186

So Gabbard and Ellison are Establishment, and Manchin is not? Jim Lane Aug 2017 #163

My 2 cents.. Caliman73 Jul 2017 #30

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #32

The Raw Story made this up. sandensea Jul 2017 #38

They didn't. Karl Rove would be proud, repeating a lie over and over is something Ninsianna Jul 2017 #127

Many feel as you do. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #44

Yep He's right ROYDOG999 Jul 2017 #35

! leftstreet Jul 2017 #40

NPR: Bernie Sanders defends campaigning for anti-abortion rights Democrat. R B Garr Jul 2017 #42

That's going to drive the no-purity-test brigade crazy. alarimer Jul 2017 #65

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #47

Liberal does not equal Democratic Socialist. And the Democratic Party is a coalition... haele Jul 2017 #48

Haele, thank you so much for this cogent explanation of competing political philosophies... Hekate Jul 2017 #86

Nyet! KPN Jul 2017 #118

You read something I didn't write...maybe I should clarify. haele Jul 2017 #144

Thanks for the clarification. But that's really not what triggered me -- KPN Aug 2017 #172

You're attacking a straw man in characterizing Bernie's attitude Jim Lane Aug 2017 #164

Great points. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #187

He's right. alarimer Jul 2017 #49

Fuck Fake News SalviaBlue Jul 2017 #51

More Democratic bashing by him. It's getting to be a routine thing for him. George II Jul 2017 #54

I'm no Bernie fan, but this Raw Story headline purposefully confuses the issue. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2017 #56

Hear, hear! eom Purveyor Aug 2017 #179

Yes. Skidmore Aug 2017 #180

Not what he said but don't let facts get in the way of a good DU Bernie ragefest Arazi Jul 2017 #59

Bingo. sandensea Jul 2017 #67

Yup, it's like some people are deliberately posting made up shit to divide us nt riderinthestorm Jul 2017 #71

Thanks for nothing, Bernie. (nt) Paladin Jul 2017 #60

Raw Story fabricated the quote. sandensea Jul 2017 #63

At not point in the article does Bernie Sanders say that liberals shouldn't trust Democrats oberliner Jul 2017 #62

Exactly. sandensea Jul 2017 #68

Hey... WomanWhoRoars Jul 2017 #69

Another reason for never taking him seriously ... ever Lil Missy Jul 2017 #73

Raw Story fabricated the quote. sandensea Jul 2017 #77

You've been linked to the quote several times. The quote is there. R B Garr Jul 2017 #137

And lo and behold, the quote isn't in ANY of those links. sandensea Jul 2017 #145

You have been linked to it, and it's the same one in the OP. R B Garr Jul 2017 #148

#### PLEASE UPDATE TITLE TO SANDERS EXACT WORDS !!!! ##### YCHDT Jul 2017 #74

Or better yet, trash the thread. sandensea Jul 2017 #76

misquote at best please fix populistdriven Jul 2017 #111

If one goes raw with the story..... Weekend Warrior Jul 2017 #81

No he didn't. SHRED Jul 2017 #84

ANY establishment is resistant to change. MuseRider Jul 2017 #87

Well I don't trust EllieBC Jul 2017 #91

He didn't say that but I agree with you about the anti-Semitism. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #94

I missed the post to which you replied. Behind the Aegis Jul 2017 #123

I'll pm you. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #124

Lulz. Is it fake news day again so soon? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #93

Hey Bernie nycbos Jul 2017 #97

FAKE News. Fake headline. KPN Jul 2017 #119

I wish BS could get past the fact that Democrats rejected him in huge numbers, and allow the.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2017 #126

Yeah, I've wondered too lunamagica Jul 2017 #141

Whatever, Bernie. Then get off your ass and form your own party. RelativelyJones Jul 2017 #128

I voted for him the primary last year. Trumpocalypse Jul 2017 #147

Mr. Purist Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2017 #132

Raw Story has the direct quote from the New Yorker story. Not "fake news", but real journalism Expecting Rain Jul 2017 #133

You might want to read sandandsea's comments about "fake news" and respond. guillaumeb Jul 2017 #135

Donna Brazile doesn't trust Bernie Sanders DefenseLawyer Jul 2017 #138

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #140

sounds like the typical fake news that we were assaulted with for a solid year beachbum bob Jul 2017 #142

He's not wrong. We need to get back to our FDR roots in labor. ImpeachTheGOP Jul 2017 #143

What do you do if your a liberal democrat? MFM008 Jul 2017 #151

Fake news headline. And ten here gullible* enough to rec it ornotna Jul 2017 #152

I recommended it Flying Squirrel Jul 2017 #155

Well, you better get busy ornotna Jul 2017 #158

yeah, sandensea's doing a fine job. Flying Squirrel Jul 2017 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author ecstatic Jul 2017 #160

Democrats can't trust Bernie is more truthful. nini Aug 2017 #162

You're not alone. Many others here have the same feelings and opinions... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #175

Oh I'd bet there's plenty here nini Aug 2017 #181

I thank God I don't live in Vermont. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #165

I heard that! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #174

Hi nurse how goes it? nt Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #182

This thread has good news and bad news. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #166

At this point no one should trust Sanders. Trumpocalypse Aug 2017 #185