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Douglas Carpenter

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82. you can push the American people too far. Look a the Temperance movement. It was VERY popular when

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:16 AM

Jul 2012

it was convincing millions of Americana to give up drinking, It was popular when it banned the sale of alcohol to children and minors. It was popular when it greatly reduced the number of bars and severely restricted where and when alcohol could be sold. Across the political spectrum from abolitionist to socialist to Christian fundamentalists to women suffragettes it had great popular support. Then they crossed the line into prohibition and now the Temperance movement is only a footnote in history. Outside of some very narrow cultural elitist circles - people will not accept this kind of intrusion into the privacy of their homes and the privacy of their lives. Liberals and progressives will only isolate themselves from mainstream society even more than they already are by pushing authoritarianism. People can accept reasonable restriction. They will not accept tyranny.

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Moving to Santa Monica, CA? Better Quit Smoking Now! [View all] zappaman Jul 2012 OP

Well, that's going to get thrown out by the courts. nt TheWraith Jul 2012 #1

I don't think so. it is already against the law to smoke outside in santa monica. robinlynne Jul 2012 #10

It's against the law to smoke outside in crowded areas like 3rd street promenade taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #12

Belmont, CA did it before this CreekDog Jul 2012 #15

Here in Oregon they have in apt. bldg. with little houses so movonne Jul 2012 #28

On the flip side, it's good business not to let your property get stunk up... polichick Jul 2012 #2

Great news...much of California is serious about helping smokers quit and.. Tikki Jul 2012 #3

so true! progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #9

No they don't. They just piss people off. Fawke Em Jul 2012 #75

I did....just got tired of running off to some secluded spot while.... Tikki Jul 2012 #76

I can see where conservatives get some of their more outlandish ideas about liberals from.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #4

For once, we agree on something. TheWraith Jul 2012 #14

What if their smoke enters your home? CreekDog Jul 2012 #16

Please answer my original question. TheWraith Jul 2012 #18

there is no connection between your health and neighbors having sex CreekDog Jul 2012 #19

Not everybody agrees, and you didn't answer my question. TheWraith Jul 2012 #22

you're saying second hand smoke isn't harmful? CreekDog Jul 2012 #40

What about the exhaust from your car? former9thward Jul 2012 #23

so you are advocating to close your street to traffic? CreekDog Jul 2012 #24

I am just pointing out hypocrisy. former9thward Jul 2012 #26

are you saying i drive down your street? CreekDog Jul 2012 #33

No I don't know you and I'm sure I would not want to. former9thward Jul 2012 #37

Car pollution is indeed worse than second hand smoke. zappaman Jul 2012 #38

is that a link to the New England Journal of Medicine? CreekDog Jul 2012 #41

As a local who has lived in or near Santa Monica for the past 20+ years (and coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #45

Just living next door in Venice to these assholes was too much. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #80

I unfortunately agree - Fuck that shit- I believe in freedom not tyranny Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #25

what about rules against burning wood in fireplaces? there are those rules you know CreekDog Jul 2012 #34

What a weird rule. 10% of my neighbors heat their homes with wood. NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #83

Weird? No. These are metro areas with pollution problems CreekDog Jul 2012 #86

I wish I could argue against this, but you're flat out right. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #79

That's a good way of putting it. zappaman Jul 2012 #87

Sorry. Rob Reiner started all this over a failed restaurant he opened in the late 80's. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #89

I'm wondering how it affects medical marijuana users... zappaman Jul 2012 #5

Maybe they will have to vaporize mm. roody Jul 2012 #20

No "smoke" to vaping FrodosPet Jul 2012 #61

Good. More cities need to adopt this law. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #6

The stricter the better flamingdem Jul 2012 #7

Ummm.. 99% of rentals in California are non-smoking. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #8

Smoking in apartments and condos creates a nuisance for neighbors taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #11

I don't smoke but I feel sorry for smokers. Their rights are being challenged at every opportunity Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #17

what about an asthmatic who lives near a neighbor who smokes? CreekDog Jul 2012 #21

I'm asthmatic; it's woodsmoke that triggers bad attacks in me REP Jul 2012 #27

woodsmoke is prohibited for the most part in your area during high pollution days CreekDog Jul 2012 #32

claimming that someone in another apartment is causing someone a problem because they smoke is Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #48

you are saying an asthmatic who shares ventilation with a smoker next door has a character defect? CreekDog Jul 2012 #51

It is not bothering anyone. I'm an astmatic myself. Yes it is a charachter defect - except in the Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #52

Just because it doesnt bother YOUR asthma doesnt mean anything except to you. stevenleser Jul 2012 #67

you're just going to have to give up the idea that it is okay to bully people and push them around Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #72

I'm not going to have to do anything. The trend is going my way with smoking. stevenleser Jul 2012 #74

you can push the American people too far. Look a the Temperance movement. It was VERY popular when Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #82

I don't know about that Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #54

I can smell neighbor's smoke through the vent system taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #103

I wonder if people are not looking for things to annoy them Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #104

I'm horribly allergic to olive trees, can I force you to cut yours down? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #81

Bunch of crap....talk about "lets all hate on the evil of the moment" (smoking) AnOhioan Jul 2012 #13

Amen! they can kiss my ass too! fucking elitist assholes! Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #31

I'm trying to figure out if your post is sarcasm demwing Jul 2012 #39

most asthmatics are not bothered by modest amounts of smoking.. In fact when I smoked cgs myself Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #49

The only asthmatic I've ever known well demwing Jul 2012 #50

Single family houses? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #29

Wanna be able to breath without an oxygen tank? Better quit now. Speck Tater Jul 2012 #30

I think most of us understand that.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #35

if you pass a law regarding smoking cigarettes, that's where the law stops CreekDog Jul 2012 #42

Really? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #43

read what i said to find out what i'm saying. CreekDog Jul 2012 #44

Why bother to vote for Democrats then? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #53

that's BS and false equivalency CreekDog Jul 2012 #59

I remember when this whole topic first appeared on DU2. Occulus Jul 2012 #102

i never made that assurance on DU2, quite the opposite CreekDog Jul 2012 #105

Use a motorcycle correctly, it's just a fun ride demwing Jul 2012 #57

I don't smoke cigarettes. zappaman Jul 2012 #36

I can understand people thinking that way, but see my below post, the alternative isn't fair either. stevenleser Jul 2012 #47

My condolences. Everything I have read indicates it is a long and extremely painful way to die. stevenleser Jul 2012 #46

Well, hell, if that's our reasoning then where do I sign up to pick which vices JoeyT Jul 2012 #56

You are comparing having sex to smoking? You really need me to point out the apples to oranges stevenleser Jul 2012 #58

reply loli phabay Jul 2012 #62

No they're pretty much both apples. JoeyT Jul 2012 #63

Comparing smoking to having sex is ridiculous on its face. stevenleser Jul 2012 #68

if that's the case, then why didn't they ban it in single family homes? CreekDog Jul 2012 #70

Because it's easier to do it on the poor. nt NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #84

You're just making things up -Santa Monica is expensive! CreekDog Jul 2012 #85

30% of the households make 40k or less. NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #90

"According to a 2009 estimate, the median income for a household in the city is $71,095" CreekDog Jul 2012 #91

You make the same mistake as Republicans for income. NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #96

so you're saying the law is designed to hurt poor children, preventing them from smoking... CreekDog Jul 2012 #92

It's designed to make the poor miserable. NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #97

so smoking regulations are bad for kids? CreekDog Jul 2012 #98

You mistake Authoritarians for Scientists NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #99

oh, now smoking regulations are authoritarian? CreekDog Jul 2012 #100

There is a difference between regulation of industry and this. NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #101

Here are some comparisons for you...... tpsbmam Jul 2012 #77

Nope, I single out smoking because smoking harms and kills other people who didnt chose to smoke. nt stevenleser Jul 2012 #78

Well, neither sex or smoking kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #93

Are you sure you dont want to rethink your first sentence? nt stevenleser Jul 2012 #95

Soon there will be a prohibition on nicotine Taverner Jul 2012 #55

All I know, underseasurveyor Jul 2012 #60

So you smoked for 35 years and then you quit. And now you want to ban them? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #71

I wanted them banned long before I quit. underseasurveyor Jul 2012 #73

Self-righteous ex-smoker. kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #94

Next obesity! Then aging! Glitterati Jul 2012 #64

Nothing quite like kctim Jul 2012 #65

that's the libertarian position i take it CreekDog Jul 2012 #69

Whenever my next door neighbor... meaculpa2011 Jul 2012 #66

How soon will the "you have to change your underwear every day" ordinance be going into effect? n/t zappaman Jul 2012 #88