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NurseJackie

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10. I think anyone VYING to be the party's nominee should disclose their tax returns...

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:27 PM

Aug 2017

... BEFORE the first primary or caucus is held! It should ALL be out in the open. Absolutely!

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The "#NeverKamala" faction take it too far...but it's legitimate to ask policy questions. [View all] Ken Burch Aug 2017 OP

So much "concern" and so soon, weird that. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #1

Yeah the 'legit concern' trolls are so obvious apcalc Aug 2017 #81

Who are the people behind this Group? Wellstone ruled Aug 2017 #2

Link to twitter showing lots of "#NeverKamala mentions both for and against. Fla Dem Aug 2017 #6

And the idiots who post on JPR Gothmog Aug 2017 #12

Oh boy did you name one of the Wellstone ruled Aug 2017 #16

Why do you never mention Bill's Playground? Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #235

Because the posters on that site were sane and that site is closed down Gothmog Aug 2017 #236

So it was ok for certain DUers to openly ridicule other DUers, candidates, etc Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #237

Most of the JPR posters are people who were banned on this site Gothmog Aug 2017 #238

So it was ok for certain DUers to openly ridicule other DUers, candidates, etc? Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #239

I think you are confusing JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #241

So you don't deny that JPR proliferated Russian fake news? Cary Aug 2017 #255

Nice deflection Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #260

Still no denial Cary Aug 2017 #261

I admit that JPR wasn't started until long AFTER the playroom crap got posted on the DU Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #262

I have no idea what you think you're saying Cary Aug 2017 #266

Sounds to me like attacking the D party and loyal democrats is something Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #242

Um, didn't you just do that? Assuming this Bill person was a DUer, of course. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #252

You consider mentioning the the site an attack? Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #254

You mentioned someone named Bill. That is an individual. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #263

Surrender your medical license! Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #264

No thank you, also, I don't appreciate the threatening PM you sent me. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #269

You did mention an individual. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #267

Fine Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #268

So you admit you've attacked a DU member and now are personally attacking Ninsianna Aug 2017 #270

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #272

Was that the name of the site, or were you referencing the person, Bill and your characterization Ninsianna Aug 2017 #273

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #275

So you referenced a DUer, made up a disparaging name and cannot figure out Ninsianna Aug 2017 #276

You mentioned Bill by name not just a site. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #277

I agree, apology to Bill needed. betsuni Aug 2017 #278

Bill/William769 sheshe2 Aug 2017 #279

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #280

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #281

Wow. Just wow, digging in deep on the attacks on DUers. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #288

Fiasco is as fiasco does. betsuni Aug 2017 #292

I guess that self defeat is the closest we'll get to an actual apology. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #293

What fiasco is he talking about? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #271

WTF? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #283

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #284

Well...since you did not send me any DU mail sheshe2 Aug 2017 #285

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #286

Ad hominems, flaming attacks and threats to fellow members are forbidden Ninsianna Aug 2017 #289

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #290

Did you forget that you did indeed comment? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #291

I alerted on the mail, its up to the admins how they wish to proceed here. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #287

The few bros I come in contact with are not backing down and buy any crap that is fed to them lunasun Aug 2017 #78

So many bots on that hashtag Bladewire Aug 2017 #227

Apparently, they are on Twitter. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #39

No they have been here @ du for a while also lunasun Aug 2017 #79

I truly hadn't known of them. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #96

Like for ten years or so..... yardwork Aug 2017 #129

Said person says they had never heard of this group until yesterday. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #139

Boom OKNancy Aug 2017 #144

This post wins the thread JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #167

The cosmos snickers in glee. Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #197

I have nothing to do with that group. That is the truth. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #215

I truly respect the evolution. Nt Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #216

If I had defended the group, I could understand your response. But I never once did. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #217

"I'll study up on what she has to say." Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #218

My feelings about her were about issues. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #219

I wish you the best in your mission. Good luck. Nt Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #220

My only "mission" is working for a progressive future. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #222

You think Ken Burch from DU started the "#NeverKamala" hastag? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #223

Oh wow! I wish I could say I was surprised. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #224

Apparently the "founding member" of the .. uh, hashtag was someone named "Adorable Deplorable" Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #225

In theory, someone was working the effort well before that. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #234

It damn sure wasn't me. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #244

Kick. nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #249

KABOOM! grossproffit Aug 2017 #265

... JHan Aug 2017 #3

... indeed lapucelle Aug 2017 #73

I forgot about this . I miss her so much lunasun Aug 2017 #80

lol. JHan Aug 2017 #87

Loved that moment, saw it live. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #112

LMAO! R B Garr Aug 2017 #114

Yup JI7 Aug 2017 #82

They sure do take it too far. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #4

Good catch Hekate Aug 2017 #46

I'M not in that group. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #90

Because to some people here, having a differing opinion is considered heretical Kentonio Aug 2017 #119

"Because to some people here, having a differing opinion is considered heretical" Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #121

I couldn't agree with you more. Kentonio Aug 2017 #133

Isn't that usually because they cannot counter an argument? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #253

Yeah true. Kentonio Aug 2017 #257

You act as if it's a done-deal. What makes you think such a thing? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #5

If people can start a thread warning about attacks on a particular leader, MGKrebs Aug 2017 #15

Well, things are not always what they "seem"... are they? Especially when... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #21

I don't know, I get the impression that there is something personal going on that MGKrebs Aug 2017 #24

I can't address that kind of speculation. Sorry. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #32

No problem. MGKrebs Aug 2017 #44

"Nobody in the real world is doing that. NOBODY." Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #17

No...I honestly just meant that it was at least a possibility. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #40

Good grief! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #51

How about disclosure of tax returns? Gothmog Aug 2017 #7

I think anyone VYING to be the party's nominee should disclose their tax returns... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #10

That would certainly be helpful. LisaM Aug 2017 #13

There will be changes to ballot access laws to require these returns in many states Gothmog Aug 2017 #14

I'd hope (and I'd be very impressed if it happened) that a candidate would ... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #22

Yes! It shows integrity and honesty. I mean, why not show them? What are they hiding? lunamagica Aug 2017 #30

Yes, well we're seeing where relying on norms and tradition have gotten us. Salviati Aug 2017 #107

In '20, anybody who runs would do that anyway. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #110

Wrong, it's relevant and it's important. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #135

That has nothing to do with this thread. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #91

In the real world this is very relevant to this thread Gothmog Aug 2017 #105

We are both in the real world Ken Burch Aug 2017 #106

The failure to release tax returns will be an important issue for 2020 Gothmog Aug 2017 #108

Yes. Why are you bringing this up in this thread, though? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #109

In the real world this is a very relevant issue Gothmog Aug 2017 #115

You are pretty much stalking me from thread to thread now. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #116

Wait, wait! So you post provocative OP's then get upset when people reply and... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #134

Responses should always be strictly about the issues raised, not personal derision. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #259

We had two major candidates who refused to release their tax returns in 2016. yardwork Aug 2017 #124

Of course it is relevent to the thread. lapucelle Aug 2017 #141

If they want my vote they should. nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #18

Thank you. We need to know every candidate's tax return. The only ones unwilling to disclose lunamagica Aug 2017 #25

Interesting. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #33

Very Hekate Aug 2017 #49

+1 Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #226

"Do you think that the nominee of the party should disclose their tax returns? lunamagica Aug 2017 #27

I always believed people should do that. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #48

Under the proposed changes to ballot access rules, candidate will not be able to get onto ballot w/o Gothmog Aug 2017 #57

"Other than O'Malley, nobody who ran in 2016 will run in 2020, so it's fair to expect that of them. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #69

Agreed Gothmog Aug 2017 #70

Ahhh. Now I get the hedging. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #71

I see it too. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #75

Because it sounds like this issue is being raised solely to retroactively delegitimize someone. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #92

Persecution complexes leave one without a clear compass.... Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #120

What's this 'Other than O'Malley' stuff? elleng Aug 2017 #84

Nothing besides the fact that, of the candidates from that year Ken Burch Aug 2017 #88

How do you know who will run in 2020? yardwork Aug 2017 #125

Including off-shore trusts BainsBane Aug 2017 #169

Yes, there are a ton of games that can be played with these trusts Gothmog Aug 2017 #171

I do! JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #179

You could have, after the first paragraph.... maybe talked about what to do about these Dem punchers bettyellen Aug 2017 #8

You're correct, of course... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #29

I said they were out of line. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #47

Whole thing seems fishy n/t leftstreet Aug 2017 #9

Yep. Seems, kind of ... planted. And then it's being spread by... why, by threads like this! Squinch Aug 2017 #20

BTW how do you feel about Uncle Joe? Gothmog Aug 2017 #11

I like him as well. Surely you aren't anointing him, are you? George II Aug 2017 #19

I have framed my Joe sign from the national convention Gothmog Aug 2017 #23

Only if you surround it with candles and burn incense!!! George II Aug 2017 #26

What type of incense? I may try this Gothmog Aug 2017 #31

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #55

Not sure who are referring to. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #45

In the real world, Uncle Joe refers to Joe Biden Gothmog Aug 2017 #56

You have no reason to keep saying I don't live in the real world. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #117

Again, your posts speak for themselves Gothmog Aug 2017 #136

Oh look - its Ken's Personal Stalker ! KTM Aug 2017 #145

Actually ken is not worth my time to stalk but I was amused to see someone check his posts out Gothmog Aug 2017 #160

Hahhahaha - suuuuuure. KTM Aug 2017 #184

Did you read this post yet? Gothmog Aug 2017 #187

That post is a false accusation. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #247

Then why the silly apology thread? Gothmog Aug 2017 #251

It's not silly to admit I said a stupid thing. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #258

"You do heaven05 Aug 2017 #240

God, no more 2020 talk until we handle 2018......... vi5 Aug 2017 #28

Good luck with that. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #35

Yeah, I know.... vi5 Aug 2017 #37

And I didn't want to bring up 2020. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #43

good post. nt m-lekktor Aug 2017 #50

Damned With Faint Praise Me. Aug 2017 #34

Same old, same old, over and over, it never stops. Are you... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #36

Fed Up With It........Yes Me. Aug 2017 #38

Yes, we should and must hold the male candidates to the same standards. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #41

I don't know... HarmonyRockets Aug 2017 #118

But None Of These Men Me. Aug 2017 #127

Concerned. So concerned. Hekate Aug 2017 #42

Always. Squinch Aug 2017 #64

Ok -- I'm not understanding this OP ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #52

Well, the OP DOES get the Never Kamala hash into a headline. So there's that. Squinch Aug 2017 #58

That's why I didn't use the hashtag ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #60

Yikes! You're right! Jesus! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #76

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #53

Nice positioning, way ahead of time, too. NBachers Aug 2017 #54

This way, we'll never notice. Squinch Aug 2017 #59

I didn't notice Skittles Aug 2017 #65

Notice what? Squinch Aug 2017 #68

That is funny. nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #67

Notice WHAT? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #98

The NSDAP faction take it too far, but it's legitimate to ask policy questions. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #61

Bwaaaaahhhhh!!!!! Perfect! Squinch Aug 2017 #62

Uh no...the analogy doesn't work. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #89

The "alt-Left" isn't fooling anyone. Next up: armbands? Have a great day. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #94

I'm not part of the "alt-left", nor do I defend them. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #95

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the so-called 'alt-Left'. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #97

Than why did you use a bad parody of my thread title? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #111

If you think there was no reason, then you clearly don't get my comment. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #113

I think its kinda silly to jump the gun when we don't even know who is running in 2020. phleshdef Aug 2017 #63

I think the assumptions and accusations are out of hand loyalsister Aug 2017 #66

Kamala Harris supported asset forfeiture in California, even for people who haven't been convicted LittleBlue Aug 2017 #72

No one is saying there are no legitimate issues to discuss. RandySF Aug 2017 #138

"No way am I voting for her" RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #211

Democrats need candidates who will fight multinational drug gangs Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #74

where did Senator Harris say she was running for President in 2020? still_one Aug 2017 #77

That's the thing, isn't it? One truth is abundantly clear, however... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #83

Yes, of course... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #85

It is almost as though some folks want to do a pre-emptive attack on HER. Hmmmm, where have I seen still_one Aug 2017 #99

I hadn't heard of her saying it myself. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #93

Personally, I think it is more productive to figure out how to deal with trump and the republican still_one Aug 2017 #100

And I agree with that. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #103

I had no doubt we would be on the same page on that, along with I would hope most here still_one Aug 2017 #104

It's too soon JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #86

Oh my god not again NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #101

Who are the #neverKamala people? RandySF Aug 2017 #102

A hashtag churned up by Russian trolls should not be confused Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #122

It's unimportant which is why we create OPs about them - several OPs a day. yardwork Aug 2017 #126

You noticed, huh? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #128

Are we going to see online attacks on Dem candidates from now through 2020 RandySF Aug 2017 #182

Did not take too long to see the trend develop. GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #196

Eh I'm not sure that's been the case BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #194

The Democratic Party is not (just my prediction, don't take offense) going to put forward a nominee WinkyDink Aug 2017 #123

Why not a woman? MaryLouisaWillis Aug 2017 #131

I do not believe there is any legitimate concern about Kamala Harris MaryLouisaWillis Aug 2017 #130

This week Kamala, next week someone else. RandySF Aug 2017 #137

Who specifically is arguing that asking policy questions is invalid or illegitimate? LanternWaste Aug 2017 #132

This board has a search function. You are one of the originators of "NeverKamala" Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #140

OMG! WOW! Thank you for that! This whole thing sounded FISHY from the start... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #142

It's some kind of very personal grudge. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #143

I'm not in a position to speak about that person's motivation... HOWEVER... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #146

FANTASTIC work, my friend. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #147

Thanks JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #166

YEP heaven05 Aug 2017 #176

Again, great work Gothmog Aug 2017 #221

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Aug 2017 #159

"Diversity in name only"? On this site? George II Aug 2017 #148

Looks like people are catching-on. Good. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #165

Yikes! There it is right there. The smearing of Democrats R B Garr Aug 2017 #149

It is almost as if there is a group of people on Democratic Underground, working in concert Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #150

It does seem like a coordinated effort, and with stale talking points that voters R B Garr Aug 2017 #162

yes, you are heaven05 Aug 2017 #177

Not here, if I do as we say in the stand up business a "call back" to this particular Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #181

I agree but can't say . They are not just here @ du unfortunately lunasun Aug 2017 #229

Wow. Maven Aug 2017 #151

I saw him use that exact language to attack Perez BainsBane Aug 2017 #153

Others have been banned for less, I imagine. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #161

Same here-the same attacks were used on Tom Perez Gothmog Aug 2017 #164

I dont understand why people havent figured this out yet Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #170

I think it entirely appropriate to argue for any candidate people choose BainsBane Aug 2017 #172

Great observation. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #173

Dayum! brer cat Aug 2017 #155

That's some nasty stuff there. tammywammy Aug 2017 #156

Excellent [post! NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #157

Great post Gothmog Aug 2017 #158

Wow. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #168

The silence from the one you posted this to, is deafening! boston bean Aug 2017 #174

Yes that silence is amusing Gothmog Aug 2017 #180

Unmasked! Very well done. BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #189

That's 1367 watts of sunlight right there! herding cats Aug 2017 #195

BABOOM! SunSeeker Aug 2017 #198

Those are things I said two years ago. I'd forgotten I'd even posted them. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #200

"They were harsher in tone than they should have been. " Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #201

That is simply a factual statement. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #202

I'm glad that while being dismissive toward her because of the color of her skin... Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #203

I'm not dismissive of her over anything pertaining to her race OR gender. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #204

"She represents diversity-in-name-only." Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #205

I said nothing racist. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #206

"I also just started a thread apologizing for the things I posted then. " Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #208

They weren't racist. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #209

They were. There is no explaining it away or justifying it. nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #210

No they weren't. I hate racism. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #214

Oh brother! That's almost as good as "some of my best friends..." NurseJackie Aug 2017 #212

Exactly BainsBane Aug 2017 #228

Bullshit/ you accused her of being a war monger. Where the hell did you get that idea? bettyellen Aug 2017 #230

I think same talking points. It's the "big doners" who push Dems into "right-wing trade deals" ... betsuni Aug 2017 #231

Didn't he figure out where the Hillary will war w Russia came from? Guess not. Funny he can bettyellen Aug 2017 #232

Wow is right. betsuni Aug 2017 #233

No. I said I wanted to know if anybody we might nominate was a hawk or a dove. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #243

You baselessly accused her of being in favor of US military intervention- this crap gets parroted bettyellen Aug 2017 #246

Those were references to HRC's positions, not Harris' Ken Burch Aug 2017 #248

The convo was about Harris and our nominee- you were trashing both with the same propaganda... bettyellen Aug 2017 #250

But you made them, and it makes your OP now suspicious RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #207

Thank you! betsuni Aug 2017 #213

yeah but any "reasonable questions" heaven05 Aug 2017 #152

You never fucking quit, do you? Codeine Aug 2017 #154

So transparent. tammywammy Aug 2017 #163

I'm speaking there solely on her stances on the issues. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #175

Sure..... tammywammy Aug 2017 #178

Policy BainsBane Aug 2017 #183

I've never insulted the poor. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #185

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Hi Felicia!!!!! Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #188

I know! Right? :-D NurseJackie Aug 2017 #190

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #192

Think about it. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #193

Scurry on back there.....scurry on back. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2017 #191

What Skidmore Aug 2017 #199

I agree with you about 2018. I didn't even want to talk about 2020. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #245

you slimed her so reflexively you don't even remember it? WTF. Just stop. bettyellen Aug 2017 #256

the Never Kamala forces are only interested in tearing down Democrats! hrmjustin Aug 2017 #274

This entire thread, now 280 replies, is a great example of the keyboard warrior mental masturbation Atticus Aug 2017 #282