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199. I would bet my bottom dollar, we will not get single payer in this country...we may eventually have

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 04:29 PM

Aug 2017

a public option and some lowering of medicare...our system will resemble European system...and it will be done gradually when we get back in power...you try to do it now...you hand the GOP and issue and a win in 18 and 20. The plan Hillary devised was great and would have moved this country forward...but many of you refuse to acknowledge the good she has done...there are thousands of kids alive today because of chip. I consider the 93 healthcare plan universal coverage...now you can split hairs if you want, if it doesn't fit yours or Bernie's definition of single payer. If you go for it now...the GOP loses the ownership of their heinous healthcare bill which help them and we assume it which hurts us. And why when we are out of power? Run on fixing the ACA and adding a public option and use the lowering of the medicare age to 55 as a way to stabilize the markets which it would help with...lets be smart about this. There will never be a huge single payer bill that passes and if we try...we lose. I am not of the opinion that a British style single payer would work in this country.

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BS: "We will be taking on [...] the establishment wing of the Democratic party" [View all] KitSileya Aug 2017 OP

You do understand that the "establishment wing" of the Democratic Party has opposed Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #1

He wants to fight the Democratic party as we are fighting for our lives against nazis KitSileya Aug 2017 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author m-lekktor Aug 2017 #5

Oh really? Do tell. I was there at the time. yardwork Aug 2017 #6

so was I. she was not trying for single payer. m-lekktor Aug 2017 #37

That's not what your post said. It's good it was deleted. yardwork Aug 2017 #39

It was single payer. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #23

that is vague, it does not say single payer. If I remember it was called managed health care. m-lekktor Aug 2017 #36

I am not going to parse words here...an attempt was made to put every US citizen on Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #98

Nah, it is more productive to argue within the party, thus guaranteeing continued reign by the GOP Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #165

People who don't understand that winning is the only thing that can save the Democratic Party and Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #201

It was called "managed competition" this 1993 NYT article discusses it m-lekktor Aug 2017 #61

You can call it what you want it was single payer...the only one that we ever had a chance at. There Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #90

No, health care in 93 was not single payer, it was never proposed as single payer. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #189

I would bet my bottom dollar, we will not get single payer in this country...we may eventually have Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #199

The GOP will never pass a flat tax, either. Doesn't stop them from talking about it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #200

Conyers is part of the progressive caucus. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #11

I don't give a damn...if we follow this , we lose. Learn to exist in a big tent party. It is our Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #30

I agree. Chemisse Aug 2017 #58

Strengthening the Democratic party is our only chance to fight back against the pernicious GOP Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #95

You don't get to parse the party, or murielm99 Aug 2017 #204

I don't? Sure I do. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #208

Conyers has been introducing that bill all by himself murielm99 Aug 2017 #210

If Clinton is part of the "center right establishment" faction of the Democratic Party, lapucelle Aug 2017 #209

Voltaire has his own rating system, murielm99 Aug 2017 #211

OOPS...is John Conyers in these? Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #14

Are these photos supposed to be proof of something? Squinch Aug 2017 #21

Bernies whereabouts circa 1993-94. He was right behind Hillary Clinton as she spoke on healthcare Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #68

And what does that prove to you? What would the graphs show? Who Bernie has Squinch Aug 2017 #69

Need Glasses? Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #110

Nope. Can you answer the question: What were those photos meant to prove? Squinch Aug 2017 #111

Apparently you need glasses Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #119

Not sure what is the point of the inane harping on my vision, but no matter. BUT Squinch Aug 2017 #123

I trust Hillary on this Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #127

Yes. I saw that. It was a very gracious note. And you are saying Squinch Aug 2017 #132

Last reply to you Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #139

Well, Steve, to be fair, I'm not seeing any links or photos of value from YOU either. Squinch Aug 2017 #143

Actually, Sanders was in Vermont. That's where these pictures were taken. lapucelle Aug 2017 #206

I like the photos, thank you very much. I see no reason for sarcastic remarks. Jim Beard Aug 2017 #73

Why should John Conyers be at a rally in Vermont? lapucelle Aug 2017 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #86

You mean we should fight off the fascist nazis trying to kill us and the environment BEFORE Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #164

Here's the thing: a lot of us bought that argument during Bush years yurbud Aug 2017 #169

At some point in the Bush years loyalsister Aug 2017 #202

Did you mean that as a criticism of Wellstone & Dean? yurbud Aug 2017 #203

Not at all loyalsister Aug 2017 #205

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #10

I oppose it too because you wont get it...and then we will end up a permanent minority. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #19

Evidence? delisen Aug 2017 #20

for what? Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #207

Medicare for all is just a campaign slogan-not a policy Progressive dog Aug 2017 #122

You do understand that two Democrats in Congress lapucelle Aug 2017 #196

The establishment wing authored the single payer bill BainsBane Aug 2017 #214

Gonna need to see the rest of the email, and who it's actually from... JHB Aug 2017 #3

As I said, the email as a whole is screencapped KitSileya Aug 2017 #4

Found it, thanks. In context, I think it's an unforced error... JHB Aug 2017 #18

I received the same email from Bernie this morning. yardwork Aug 2017 #7

You got the same one? I haven't but you as a source I'm WePurrsevere Aug 2017 #167

Thanks for posting this. yardwork Aug 2017 #8

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #9

Ugh, he is totally going to fuck over Democrats in 2018. For that reason I hope Jane is found seaglass Aug 2017 #12

I don't know what will happen, but this will be used against Sen. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #33

Exactly what Putin wants Bladewire Aug 2017 #13

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #15

I'd grieve that with the admins. That's ridiculous. Squinch Aug 2017 #17

I did lillypaddle Aug 2017 #75

I guess you didn't get the memo leftofcool Aug 2017 #22

He's not even a damn Dem lillypaddle Aug 2017 #77

+1000 R B Garr Aug 2017 #152

And yet even here at DU we are required to treat him as if he is. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #166

With you 100% Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #195

Skinner disagrees. QC Aug 2017 #170

Same with me yesterday leftynyc Aug 2017 #113

Forum rules explicitly name him Bradical79 Aug 2017 #140

Apparently the admins are tired of hearing about this, QC Aug 2017 #172

Newsflash: There are disagreements on the American left. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #16

Newsflash! leftofcool Aug 2017 #26

Sad scottie10 Aug 2017 #41

No. People who are supposed to be allies saying they are going to "take on the Democratic party" Squinch Aug 2017 #51

Thank you. I see much more value in possessing real-world pragmatism... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #100

Easier to make your case when you misquote, isn't it? Jim Lane Aug 2017 #182

Exactly, and the problem with this is that he becomes R B Garr Aug 2017 #158

If we have any sense at all, it very much does mean that we need to STFU and present Squinch Aug 2017 #28

This should be a separate post...it is exactly on the money. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #43

Oh, I've been saying it forever but it doesn't seem to get any traction. It tends to devolve Squinch Aug 2017 #48

Unless you are from Vermont, I don't undertand why you would 'follow' Bernie Sanders) Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #56

I don't see him voluntarily taking himself out of the limelight any time soon. He Squinch Aug 2017 #60

We have to hope he does not cause us to lose 2020. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author HopeAgain Aug 2017 #59

Well said! Divided will lead to failure! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #63

So we should be like nice little storm troopers? Jim Beard Aug 2017 #82

I suppose that asinine argument was inevitable. Because monstrous hyperbole is Squinch Aug 2017 #87

I am not opposed to you holding your breath. Jim Beard Aug 2017 #94

Lol. As we watch our Republic crumbling around us, I guess this is what passes Squinch Aug 2017 #102

Your Message Is Not Consistent With Your Actions ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #156

LOL! You guys are too much! Really! Squinch Aug 2017 #157

What Guys? ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #215

"Howard Dean to withhold support if DCCC funds candidates opposed to abortion rights" Tom Rinaldo Aug 2017 #118

yes the Rs will unite despite trump and encourage Dem splits. I dont lunasun Aug 2017 #138

Exactly! When we get back in power then we put on the all out push for single payer brush Aug 2017 #162

Yes it does mean you unite and forget your differences and fight against a common dangerous foe Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #38

Then how about we unite behind single payer? Jim Lane Aug 2017 #217

As it sometimes happens, into the midst of the furor comes the calm voice of logic and reasoning. jamesatemple Aug 2017 #45

Once again, have you read the platform? You are calling for something that was already done, and Squinch Aug 2017 #55

"Once again", Squinch? jamesatemple Aug 2017 #114

Clinton "vehemently?" opposed Sanders views on about healthcare. delisen Aug 2017 #49

I watched an old Jack Benny TV program and there was a comment made in a skit.... Jim Beard Aug 2017 #88

"Vehemently" is of course my subjective characterization of what she said Jim Lane Aug 2017 #193

I can't believe all the anger I see directed at Bernie on DU. Bluepinky Aug 2017 #54

What progressive policies were not embraced in the 2016 platform? Squinch Aug 2017 #57

I have had to ask numerous times on this forum if people read the 2016 Dem Platform. ..so I lunasun Aug 2017 #144

Great to link to it! That platform should be pinned somewhere, because about half Squinch Aug 2017 #147

At least 5 or 6 times on this forum alone I have posted but it's not just here that lunasun Aug 2017 #149

Thank u for posting the platform. Bluepinky Aug 2017 #185

If he wishes to remain an "Independent" leftynyc Aug 2017 #116

He did a very, very, very, very bad thing QC Aug 2017 #175

He never misses a chance to malign the Democratic Party. Demit Aug 2017 #24

Me too. I liked him once and was on the fence on who to vote for early in the primary. Squinch Aug 2017 #31

I used to really like him also. Blue_true Aug 2017 #213

you have a hard time recognizing your friends ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #126

But he was a Democrat, briefly, when it was to his advantage to be. That's the salient point. Demit Aug 2017 #161

You forgot to add that Sanders and his cultists demand absolute purity. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #194

"Establishment" Dems are further right than Eisenhower and Nixon tiredtoo Aug 2017 #25

You might want to give the Democratic Party platform a once over. Because you're wrong. Squinch Aug 2017 #35

from Rachel Maddow tiredtoo Aug 2017 #52

Again, take a gander at the Democratic platform. Squinch Aug 2017 #53

We never win with a left presidential candidate...there have always been conservadems...in a Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #42

McGovern was from a different time tiredtoo Aug 2017 #83

A more liberal time when even the GOP was quite liberal and yet he could not win. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #84

And today we are in a more conservative time. Trump just won tiredtoo Aug 2017 #89

Dude you JUST invoked LBJ and EISENHOWER!!!! moda253 Aug 2017 #179

i used FDR and LBJ as examples of good Democrats tiredtoo Aug 2017 #190

You want to take it on? Try joining the party first. GoCubsGo Aug 2017 #27

Bernie Is Not a Democrat dlk Aug 2017 #29

Thank you for making this point! ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #128

Skinner disagrees. QC Aug 2017 #176

Propaganda 101: Poison the well tactic kyburbonkid Aug 2017 #32

Count me in. n/t DefenseLawyer Aug 2017 #34

This isn't about bashing anyone's favorite democrat. Mr. Evil Aug 2017 #40

We are in the minority...the iron is as cold as it has ever been... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #46

+1 We need universal coverage, not necessarily single payer. NT Adrahil Aug 2017 #99

"I represent the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party" Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #44

Wellstone was not an independent. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #47

At least you admit thats what this is about. But no matter. Either the language is divisive, or not Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #65

"So let's cut to the chase -- some people aren't going to like anything Sanders says, ever, period. betsuni Aug 2017 #70

what. pointing out the obvious is that funny? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #187

You are correct. I am a Democrat. If Sen. Sanders wants to be independent that is his right. But Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #85

If Sanders had said he was from ANY wing of the Democratic Party, you would have a point. Demit Aug 2017 #103

Most DUers want single payer but understand we are the minority party... brush Aug 2017 #163

I must add the 'progressive wing' (although I dispute that... as I am progressive and often don't Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #50

This is the perfect time to push for single payer, now that Trumpcare is dead Not Ruth Aug 2017 #62

Yes, it is. But it's not the time to be saying you are going to be "taking on" Democrats. Squinch Aug 2017 #79

time to primary Sanders. stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #64

You dont support a single payer, medicare for all system? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #67

How do you primary an independent? IronLionZion Aug 2017 #74

The guy is a prophet. DU establishment wing immediately sets up for a fight. rgbecker Aug 2017 #66

I lulzed. Squinch Aug 2017 #76

He's a prophet Squinch... a prophet lol JHan Aug 2017 #130

. Squinch Aug 2017 #134

On top of Trump and the GOP's bullshit ,.... JHan Aug 2017 #137

Trump and Bernie have a lot in common Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #153

"Never Ever" , Pie in the Sky" bahrbearian Aug 2017 #71

Go away Bernie. joeybee12 Aug 2017 #72

+1000, Conyers hasn't had to malign Democrats when R B Garr Aug 2017 #160

....Where Sanders reveals he does not understand game theory JHan Aug 2017 #78

No kidding... he reminds me of the Socialist Club back in college... Adrahil Aug 2017 #97

whatever the plan is.. JHan Aug 2017 #131

I don't think there are any Democrats who DON'T want universal healthcare. Squinch Aug 2017 #135

+++++++ Also... JHan Aug 2017 #142

So many things in that post! Squinch Aug 2017 #146

I love her to bits, but yeah .. I cringed a bit.. not because she's wrong.. JHan Aug 2017 #148

Don't you know we have to oppose getting health care for 95% KitSileya Aug 2017 #159

Reminds me of how Nixon's basic income plan was axed. JHan Aug 2017 #177

+1 NT Adrahil Aug 2017 #136

Thank you, Bernie Sanders. David__77 Aug 2017 #80

I'm not a member of any organized political party IronLionZion Aug 2017 #81

It sounds like he's comparing (or equating) Democrats to the GOP. That's offensive to me. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #91

I love you and your Notes to the Alerters, Nurse Jackie. betsuni Aug 2017 #101

I know! Right? (But I can't take credit for that note. I was quoting the OP's note...) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #106

But in the past I've enjoyed your "Notes to the Democratic Underground Alerters" series. betsuni Aug 2017 #117

Those were partly in-jest, tongue-in-cheek... and partly (mostly?) serious. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #120

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2017 #107

Umm, Bernie, the enemies are on the other side of the aisle mcar Aug 2017 #93

+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #104

Thank you! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #108

Kind of ridiculous some need the reminder mcar Aug 2017 #109

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #129

Yeah shenmue Aug 2017 #178

Good. alarimer Aug 2017 #96

Who? LexVegas Aug 2017 #105

I am very troubled by this. apcalc Aug 2017 #112

Well said. His actions are perfectly consistent, and always to the detriment of Democrats. Squinch Aug 2017 #125

I started thinking some time ago he's part of the big russian picture nini Aug 2017 #150

Agree apcalc Aug 2017 #197

Agreed about his taxes, and everything else. R B Garr Aug 2017 #155

You can't fight the Republican Party and Half the Democratic Party at the same time nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #115

We seem to get constantly pulled backward by the extreme left. Blue_true Aug 2017 #216

As a member of the only wing of the established Democratic party, Progressive dog Aug 2017 #121

Good for Bernie Sanders ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #124

Go Bernie! MuseRider Aug 2017 #133

I would love to see him work with Vermont Governer and get it passed in Vermont Tavarious Jackson Aug 2017 #191

Always happy to see Bernie Sanders is still fighting for the American people. Autumn Aug 2017 #141

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind now? George II Aug 2017 #145

There sure shouldn't be. Beyond just garden variety R B Garr Aug 2017 #151

Sanders is not going to win any support with this crap Gothmog Aug 2017 #154

Much more than you might think. I stand with Bernie. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #168

And I stand with the Democratic Party Gothmog Aug 2017 #171

So do I. Standing with Bernie and the Democratic Party are not mutually exclusive. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #173

Is Sanders running as a member of the party for re-election to the Senate? Gothmog Aug 2017 #180

He's set up his 2018 re-election committee. He's running as an independent. George II Aug 2017 #184

Thank you for this information Gothmog Aug 2017 #192

We are fighting for our lives against nazis, you said. Hell to the yes, we are. Why would anyone.... Hekate Aug 2017 #174

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #181

Delusions of persecution. JHan Aug 2017 #183

You probably get hides because you're still refighting the 2016 primary. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #188

Well if it was my post you can rest assured I got a warning. moda253 Aug 2017 #186

Ahaha Egnever Aug 2017 #212