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In reply to the discussion: We can't sustain this level of madness from Trump for the next 4 years. Dare I say it, but..... [View all]CrispyQ
(41,120 posts)101. Some old time repubs are finally awake and alarmed.
Richard Painter & Steve Schmidt are both alarmed. Last night Painter told how easy it would be to go into an authoritarian dictatorship with the current admin/cabinet and chaos. He said he was scared & you could tell he didn't mean it lightly.
This commentary from Jeff Flake was from yesterday. It's worth reading all of it.
My Party Is in Denial About Donald Trump
We created him, and now we're rationalizing him. When will it stop?
By JEFF FLAKE July 31, 2017
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/31/my-party-is-in-denial-about-donald-trump-215442
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Who could blame the people who felt abandoned and ignored by the major parties for reaching in despair for a candidate who offered oversimplified answers to infinitely complex questions and managed to entertain them in the process? With hindsight, it is clear that we all but ensured the rise of Donald Trump.
I will let the liberals answer for their own sins in this regard. (There are many.) But we conservatives mocked Barack Obamas failure to deliver on his pledge to change the tone in Washington even as we worked to assist with that failure. It was we conservatives who, upon Obamas election, stated that our No. 1 priority was not advancing a conservative policy agenda but making Obama a one-term presidentthe corollary to this binary thinking being that his failure would be our success and the fortunes of the citizenry would presumably be sorted out in the meantime. It was we conservatives who were largely silent when the most egregious and sustained attacks on Obamas legitimacy were leveled by marginal figures who would later be embraced and legitimized by far too many of us. It was we conservatives who rightly and robustly asserted our constitutional prerogatives as a co-equal branch of government when a Democrat was in the White House but who, despite solemn vows to do the same in the event of a Trump presidency, have maintained an unnerving silence as instability has ensued. To carry on in the spring of 2017 as if what was happening was anything approaching normalcy required a determined suspension of critical faculties. And tremendous powers of denial.
Ive been sympathetic to this impulse to denial, as one doesnt ever want to believe that the government of the United States has been made dysfunctional at the highest levels, especially by the actions of ones own party. Michael Gerson, a conservative columnist and former senior adviser to President George W. Bush, wrote, four months into the new presidency, The conservative mind, in some very visible cases, has become diseased, and conservative institutions with the blessings of a president have abandoned the normal constraints of reason and compassion.
For a conservative, thats an awfully bitter pill to swallow. So as I layered in my defense mechanisms, I even found myself saying things like, If I took the time to respond to every presidential tweet, there would be little time for anything else. Given the volume and velocity of tweets from both the Trump campaign and then the White House, this was certainly true. But it was also a monumental dodge. It would be like Noah saying, If I spent all my time obsessing about the coming flood, there would be little time for anything else. At a certain point, if one is being honest, the flood becomes the thing that is most worthy of attention. At a certain point, it might be time to build an ark.
We created him, and now we're rationalizing him. When will it stop?
By JEFF FLAKE July 31, 2017
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/31/my-party-is-in-denial-about-donald-trump-215442
snip...
Who could blame the people who felt abandoned and ignored by the major parties for reaching in despair for a candidate who offered oversimplified answers to infinitely complex questions and managed to entertain them in the process? With hindsight, it is clear that we all but ensured the rise of Donald Trump.
I will let the liberals answer for their own sins in this regard. (There are many.) But we conservatives mocked Barack Obamas failure to deliver on his pledge to change the tone in Washington even as we worked to assist with that failure. It was we conservatives who, upon Obamas election, stated that our No. 1 priority was not advancing a conservative policy agenda but making Obama a one-term presidentthe corollary to this binary thinking being that his failure would be our success and the fortunes of the citizenry would presumably be sorted out in the meantime. It was we conservatives who were largely silent when the most egregious and sustained attacks on Obamas legitimacy were leveled by marginal figures who would later be embraced and legitimized by far too many of us. It was we conservatives who rightly and robustly asserted our constitutional prerogatives as a co-equal branch of government when a Democrat was in the White House but who, despite solemn vows to do the same in the event of a Trump presidency, have maintained an unnerving silence as instability has ensued. To carry on in the spring of 2017 as if what was happening was anything approaching normalcy required a determined suspension of critical faculties. And tremendous powers of denial.
Ive been sympathetic to this impulse to denial, as one doesnt ever want to believe that the government of the United States has been made dysfunctional at the highest levels, especially by the actions of ones own party. Michael Gerson, a conservative columnist and former senior adviser to President George W. Bush, wrote, four months into the new presidency, The conservative mind, in some very visible cases, has become diseased, and conservative institutions with the blessings of a president have abandoned the normal constraints of reason and compassion.
For a conservative, thats an awfully bitter pill to swallow. So as I layered in my defense mechanisms, I even found myself saying things like, If I took the time to respond to every presidential tweet, there would be little time for anything else. Given the volume and velocity of tweets from both the Trump campaign and then the White House, this was certainly true. But it was also a monumental dodge. It would be like Noah saying, If I spent all my time obsessing about the coming flood, there would be little time for anything else. At a certain point, if one is being honest, the flood becomes the thing that is most worthy of attention. At a certain point, it might be time to build an ark.
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We can't sustain this level of madness from Trump for the next 4 years. Dare I say it, but..... [View all]
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2017
OP
You are absolutely right, and you have said it very clearly, my dear Tommy.
CaliforniaPeggy
Jul 2017
#1
That's the hair-pulling frustation question that haunts politics forever.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2017
#3
I told my neighbor today that I have had it! I passed I have had it 5 months ago.
BigmanPigman
Jul 2017
#25
The Russians did a magnificant job with just a little help from Trump's cadre of nincompoops.
olegramps
Jul 2017
#88
what happened to the Democrats running for Senate in those critical swing states. They lost to the
still_one
Aug 2017
#103
I agree. We have a dictator w/co-conspirators on our hands. The system isn't working.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2017
#15
I totally agree. Some voters are just after something they want. If they don't get it, they leave.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2017
#49
I think we have crossed the Rubicon. We needed to address this problem years ago.
Maven
Jul 2017
#16
My hopes for this are dissipating with the realization that Congress won't do anything.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2017
#51
It's getting to be hard being constantly appalled by this presidency every friggin day!
kimbutgar
Jul 2017
#22
I'm so sorry you are having such a hard time. Are there any resources for you where you are?
58Sunliner
Jul 2017
#35
GOP never impeaches, either every person reading this votes for ANY democrat next year
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2017
#27
It can mean literal death. It usually means a change, an end, or unforeseen disruption.
58Sunliner
Jul 2017
#72
You wrote "The President of the United States is a lunatic". ++++++++++++++++++ Agree
iluvtennis
Jul 2017
#57
what did people think would happen if the republicans won the WH, and both houses of Congress?
still_one
Jul 2017
#76
Unfortunately, it's not just one person but an entire political party that's treacherous.
lark
Jul 2017
#78
then one by one d party needs to go after elected rs because the bser president is their shield
Sunlei
Jul 2017
#80
Republicans wanted a lunatic president so they could progress their gay-hate, prison slavery, deport
Sunlei
Jul 2017
#89