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Gothmog

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115. In the real world this is a very relevant issue

Wed Aug 2, 2017, 01:22 AM

Aug 2017

The silly premise of your amusing but silly OP was that we need to exam and question potential candidates qualifications. The release of tax returns is a qualification that is very important in the real world and will be very important in 2020. I am glad that Senator Harris has released her returns. That is a important issue for me.

Again, I do not care if Senator Harris is not going to adopt the failed platform of another candidate. That platform has lost every time it has been tested in an election. We need to focus on issues such as transparency including releasing tax returns. BTW, Joe Biden aka Uncle Joe to those of us in the real world has released his returns starting in 2008 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bidens-tax-returns-show-modest-wealth/

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The "#NeverKamala" faction take it too far...but it's legitimate to ask policy questions. [View all] Ken Burch Aug 2017 OP

So much "concern" and so soon, weird that. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #1

Yeah the 'legit concern' trolls are so obvious apcalc Aug 2017 #81

Who are the people behind this Group? Wellstone ruled Aug 2017 #2

Link to twitter showing lots of "#NeverKamala mentions both for and against. Fla Dem Aug 2017 #6

And the idiots who post on JPR Gothmog Aug 2017 #12

Oh boy did you name one of the Wellstone ruled Aug 2017 #16

Why do you never mention Bill's Playground? Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #235

Because the posters on that site were sane and that site is closed down Gothmog Aug 2017 #236

So it was ok for certain DUers to openly ridicule other DUers, candidates, etc Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #237

Most of the JPR posters are people who were banned on this site Gothmog Aug 2017 #238

So it was ok for certain DUers to openly ridicule other DUers, candidates, etc? Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #239

I think you are confusing JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #241

So you don't deny that JPR proliferated Russian fake news? Cary Aug 2017 #255

Nice deflection Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #260

Still no denial Cary Aug 2017 #261

I admit that JPR wasn't started until long AFTER the playroom crap got posted on the DU Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #262

I have no idea what you think you're saying Cary Aug 2017 #266

Sounds to me like attacking the D party and loyal democrats is something Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #242

Um, didn't you just do that? Assuming this Bill person was a DUer, of course. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #252

You consider mentioning the the site an attack? Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #254

You mentioned someone named Bill. That is an individual. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #263

Surrender your medical license! Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #264

No thank you, also, I don't appreciate the threatening PM you sent me. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #269

You did mention an individual. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #267

Fine Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #268

So you admit you've attacked a DU member and now are personally attacking Ninsianna Aug 2017 #270

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #272

Was that the name of the site, or were you referencing the person, Bill and your characterization Ninsianna Aug 2017 #273

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #275

So you referenced a DUer, made up a disparaging name and cannot figure out Ninsianna Aug 2017 #276

You mentioned Bill by name not just a site. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #277

I agree, apology to Bill needed. betsuni Aug 2017 #278

Bill/William769 sheshe2 Aug 2017 #279

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #280

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #281

Wow. Just wow, digging in deep on the attacks on DUers. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #288

Fiasco is as fiasco does. betsuni Aug 2017 #292

I guess that self defeat is the closest we'll get to an actual apology. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #293

What fiasco is he talking about? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #271

WTF? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #283

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #284

Well...since you did not send me any DU mail sheshe2 Aug 2017 #285

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #286

Ad hominems, flaming attacks and threats to fellow members are forbidden Ninsianna Aug 2017 #289

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #290

Did you forget that you did indeed comment? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #291

I alerted on the mail, its up to the admins how they wish to proceed here. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #287

The few bros I come in contact with are not backing down and buy any crap that is fed to them lunasun Aug 2017 #78

So many bots on that hashtag Bladewire Aug 2017 #227

Apparently, they are on Twitter. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #39

No they have been here @ du for a while also lunasun Aug 2017 #79

I truly hadn't known of them. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #96

Like for ten years or so..... yardwork Aug 2017 #129

Said person says they had never heard of this group until yesterday. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #139

Boom OKNancy Aug 2017 #144

This post wins the thread JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #167

The cosmos snickers in glee. Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #197

I have nothing to do with that group. That is the truth. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #215

I truly respect the evolution. Nt Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #216

If I had defended the group, I could understand your response. But I never once did. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #217

"I'll study up on what she has to say." Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #218

My feelings about her were about issues. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #219

I wish you the best in your mission. Good luck. Nt Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #220

My only "mission" is working for a progressive future. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #222

You think Ken Burch from DU started the "#NeverKamala" hastag? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #223

Oh wow! I wish I could say I was surprised. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #224

Apparently the "founding member" of the .. uh, hashtag was someone named "Adorable Deplorable" Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #225

In theory, someone was working the effort well before that. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #234

It damn sure wasn't me. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #244

Kick. nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #249

KABOOM! grossproffit Aug 2017 #265

... JHan Aug 2017 #3

... indeed lapucelle Aug 2017 #73

I forgot about this . I miss her so much lunasun Aug 2017 #80

lol. JHan Aug 2017 #87

Loved that moment, saw it live. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #112

LMAO! R B Garr Aug 2017 #114

Yup JI7 Aug 2017 #82

They sure do take it too far. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #4

Good catch Hekate Aug 2017 #46

I'M not in that group. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #90

Because to some people here, having a differing opinion is considered heretical Kentonio Aug 2017 #119

"Because to some people here, having a differing opinion is considered heretical" Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #121

I couldn't agree with you more. Kentonio Aug 2017 #133

Isn't that usually because they cannot counter an argument? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #253

Yeah true. Kentonio Aug 2017 #257

You act as if it's a done-deal. What makes you think such a thing? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #5

If people can start a thread warning about attacks on a particular leader, MGKrebs Aug 2017 #15

Well, things are not always what they "seem"... are they? Especially when... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #21

I don't know, I get the impression that there is something personal going on that MGKrebs Aug 2017 #24

I can't address that kind of speculation. Sorry. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #32

No problem. MGKrebs Aug 2017 #44

"Nobody in the real world is doing that. NOBODY." Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #17

No...I honestly just meant that it was at least a possibility. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #40

Good grief! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #51

How about disclosure of tax returns? Gothmog Aug 2017 #7

I think anyone VYING to be the party's nominee should disclose their tax returns... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #10

That would certainly be helpful. LisaM Aug 2017 #13

There will be changes to ballot access laws to require these returns in many states Gothmog Aug 2017 #14

I'd hope (and I'd be very impressed if it happened) that a candidate would ... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #22

Yes! It shows integrity and honesty. I mean, why not show them? What are they hiding? lunamagica Aug 2017 #30

Yes, well we're seeing where relying on norms and tradition have gotten us. Salviati Aug 2017 #107

In '20, anybody who runs would do that anyway. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #110

Wrong, it's relevant and it's important. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #135

That has nothing to do with this thread. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #91

In the real world this is very relevant to this thread Gothmog Aug 2017 #105

We are both in the real world Ken Burch Aug 2017 #106

The failure to release tax returns will be an important issue for 2020 Gothmog Aug 2017 #108

Yes. Why are you bringing this up in this thread, though? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #109

In the real world this is a very relevant issue Gothmog Aug 2017 #115

You are pretty much stalking me from thread to thread now. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #116

Wait, wait! So you post provocative OP's then get upset when people reply and... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #134

Responses should always be strictly about the issues raised, not personal derision. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #259

We had two major candidates who refused to release their tax returns in 2016. yardwork Aug 2017 #124

Of course it is relevent to the thread. lapucelle Aug 2017 #141

If they want my vote they should. nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #18

Thank you. We need to know every candidate's tax return. The only ones unwilling to disclose lunamagica Aug 2017 #25

Interesting. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #33

Very Hekate Aug 2017 #49

+1 Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #226

"Do you think that the nominee of the party should disclose their tax returns? lunamagica Aug 2017 #27

I always believed people should do that. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #48

Under the proposed changes to ballot access rules, candidate will not be able to get onto ballot w/o Gothmog Aug 2017 #57

"Other than O'Malley, nobody who ran in 2016 will run in 2020, so it's fair to expect that of them. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #69

Agreed Gothmog Aug 2017 #70

Ahhh. Now I get the hedging. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #71

I see it too. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #75

Because it sounds like this issue is being raised solely to retroactively delegitimize someone. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #92

Persecution complexes leave one without a clear compass.... Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #120

What's this 'Other than O'Malley' stuff? elleng Aug 2017 #84

Nothing besides the fact that, of the candidates from that year Ken Burch Aug 2017 #88

How do you know who will run in 2020? yardwork Aug 2017 #125

Including off-shore trusts BainsBane Aug 2017 #169

Yes, there are a ton of games that can be played with these trusts Gothmog Aug 2017 #171

I do! JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #179

You could have, after the first paragraph.... maybe talked about what to do about these Dem punchers bettyellen Aug 2017 #8

You're correct, of course... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #29

I said they were out of line. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #47

Whole thing seems fishy n/t leftstreet Aug 2017 #9

Yep. Seems, kind of ... planted. And then it's being spread by... why, by threads like this! Squinch Aug 2017 #20

BTW how do you feel about Uncle Joe? Gothmog Aug 2017 #11

I like him as well. Surely you aren't anointing him, are you? George II Aug 2017 #19

I have framed my Joe sign from the national convention Gothmog Aug 2017 #23

Only if you surround it with candles and burn incense!!! George II Aug 2017 #26

What type of incense? I may try this Gothmog Aug 2017 #31

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #55

Not sure who are referring to. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #45

In the real world, Uncle Joe refers to Joe Biden Gothmog Aug 2017 #56

You have no reason to keep saying I don't live in the real world. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #117

Again, your posts speak for themselves Gothmog Aug 2017 #136

Oh look - its Ken's Personal Stalker ! KTM Aug 2017 #145

Actually ken is not worth my time to stalk but I was amused to see someone check his posts out Gothmog Aug 2017 #160

Hahhahaha - suuuuuure. KTM Aug 2017 #184

Did you read this post yet? Gothmog Aug 2017 #187

That post is a false accusation. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #247

Then why the silly apology thread? Gothmog Aug 2017 #251

It's not silly to admit I said a stupid thing. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #258

"You do heaven05 Aug 2017 #240

God, no more 2020 talk until we handle 2018......... vi5 Aug 2017 #28

Good luck with that. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #35

Yeah, I know.... vi5 Aug 2017 #37

And I didn't want to bring up 2020. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #43

good post. nt m-lekktor Aug 2017 #50

Damned With Faint Praise Me. Aug 2017 #34

Same old, same old, over and over, it never stops. Are you... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #36

Fed Up With It........Yes Me. Aug 2017 #38

Yes, we should and must hold the male candidates to the same standards. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #41

I don't know... HarmonyRockets Aug 2017 #118

But None Of These Men Me. Aug 2017 #127

Concerned. So concerned. Hekate Aug 2017 #42

Always. Squinch Aug 2017 #64

Ok -- I'm not understanding this OP ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #52

Well, the OP DOES get the Never Kamala hash into a headline. So there's that. Squinch Aug 2017 #58

That's why I didn't use the hashtag ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #60

Yikes! You're right! Jesus! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #76

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #53

Nice positioning, way ahead of time, too. NBachers Aug 2017 #54

This way, we'll never notice. Squinch Aug 2017 #59

I didn't notice Skittles Aug 2017 #65

Notice what? Squinch Aug 2017 #68

That is funny. nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #67

Notice WHAT? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #98

The NSDAP faction take it too far, but it's legitimate to ask policy questions. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #61

Bwaaaaahhhhh!!!!! Perfect! Squinch Aug 2017 #62

Uh no...the analogy doesn't work. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #89

The "alt-Left" isn't fooling anyone. Next up: armbands? Have a great day. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #94

I'm not part of the "alt-left", nor do I defend them. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #95

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the so-called 'alt-Left'. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #97

Than why did you use a bad parody of my thread title? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #111

If you think there was no reason, then you clearly don't get my comment. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #113

I think its kinda silly to jump the gun when we don't even know who is running in 2020. phleshdef Aug 2017 #63

I think the assumptions and accusations are out of hand loyalsister Aug 2017 #66

Kamala Harris supported asset forfeiture in California, even for people who haven't been convicted LittleBlue Aug 2017 #72

No one is saying there are no legitimate issues to discuss. RandySF Aug 2017 #138

"No way am I voting for her" RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #211

Democrats need candidates who will fight multinational drug gangs Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #74

where did Senator Harris say she was running for President in 2020? still_one Aug 2017 #77

That's the thing, isn't it? One truth is abundantly clear, however... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #83

Yes, of course... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #85

It is almost as though some folks want to do a pre-emptive attack on HER. Hmmmm, where have I seen still_one Aug 2017 #99

I hadn't heard of her saying it myself. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #93

Personally, I think it is more productive to figure out how to deal with trump and the republican still_one Aug 2017 #100

And I agree with that. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #103

I had no doubt we would be on the same page on that, along with I would hope most here still_one Aug 2017 #104

It's too soon JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #86

Oh my god not again NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #101

Who are the #neverKamala people? RandySF Aug 2017 #102

A hashtag churned up by Russian trolls should not be confused Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #122

It's unimportant which is why we create OPs about them - several OPs a day. yardwork Aug 2017 #126

You noticed, huh? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #128

Are we going to see online attacks on Dem candidates from now through 2020 RandySF Aug 2017 #182

Did not take too long to see the trend develop. GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #196

Eh I'm not sure that's been the case BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #194

The Democratic Party is not (just my prediction, don't take offense) going to put forward a nominee WinkyDink Aug 2017 #123

Why not a woman? MaryLouisaWillis Aug 2017 #131

I do not believe there is any legitimate concern about Kamala Harris MaryLouisaWillis Aug 2017 #130

This week Kamala, next week someone else. RandySF Aug 2017 #137

Who specifically is arguing that asking policy questions is invalid or illegitimate? LanternWaste Aug 2017 #132

This board has a search function. You are one of the originators of "NeverKamala" Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #140

OMG! WOW! Thank you for that! This whole thing sounded FISHY from the start... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #142

It's some kind of very personal grudge. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #143

I'm not in a position to speak about that person's motivation... HOWEVER... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #146

FANTASTIC work, my friend. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #147

Thanks JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #166

YEP heaven05 Aug 2017 #176

Again, great work Gothmog Aug 2017 #221

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Aug 2017 #159

"Diversity in name only"? On this site? George II Aug 2017 #148

Looks like people are catching-on. Good. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #165

Yikes! There it is right there. The smearing of Democrats R B Garr Aug 2017 #149

It is almost as if there is a group of people on Democratic Underground, working in concert Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #150

It does seem like a coordinated effort, and with stale talking points that voters R B Garr Aug 2017 #162

yes, you are heaven05 Aug 2017 #177

Not here, if I do as we say in the stand up business a "call back" to this particular Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #181

I agree but can't say . They are not just here @ du unfortunately lunasun Aug 2017 #229

Wow. Maven Aug 2017 #151

I saw him use that exact language to attack Perez BainsBane Aug 2017 #153

Others have been banned for less, I imagine. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #161

Same here-the same attacks were used on Tom Perez Gothmog Aug 2017 #164

I dont understand why people havent figured this out yet Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #170

I think it entirely appropriate to argue for any candidate people choose BainsBane Aug 2017 #172

Great observation. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #173

Dayum! brer cat Aug 2017 #155

That's some nasty stuff there. tammywammy Aug 2017 #156

Excellent [post! NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #157

Great post Gothmog Aug 2017 #158

Wow. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #168

The silence from the one you posted this to, is deafening! boston bean Aug 2017 #174

Yes that silence is amusing Gothmog Aug 2017 #180

Unmasked! Very well done. BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #189

That's 1367 watts of sunlight right there! herding cats Aug 2017 #195

BABOOM! SunSeeker Aug 2017 #198

Those are things I said two years ago. I'd forgotten I'd even posted them. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #200

"They were harsher in tone than they should have been. " Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #201

That is simply a factual statement. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #202

I'm glad that while being dismissive toward her because of the color of her skin... Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #203

I'm not dismissive of her over anything pertaining to her race OR gender. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #204

"She represents diversity-in-name-only." Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #205

I said nothing racist. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #206

"I also just started a thread apologizing for the things I posted then. " Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #208

They weren't racist. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #209

They were. There is no explaining it away or justifying it. nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #210

No they weren't. I hate racism. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #214

Oh brother! That's almost as good as "some of my best friends..." NurseJackie Aug 2017 #212

Exactly BainsBane Aug 2017 #228

Bullshit/ you accused her of being a war monger. Where the hell did you get that idea? bettyellen Aug 2017 #230

I think same talking points. It's the "big doners" who push Dems into "right-wing trade deals" ... betsuni Aug 2017 #231

Didn't he figure out where the Hillary will war w Russia came from? Guess not. Funny he can bettyellen Aug 2017 #232

Wow is right. betsuni Aug 2017 #233

No. I said I wanted to know if anybody we might nominate was a hawk or a dove. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #243

You baselessly accused her of being in favor of US military intervention- this crap gets parroted bettyellen Aug 2017 #246

Those were references to HRC's positions, not Harris' Ken Burch Aug 2017 #248

The convo was about Harris and our nominee- you were trashing both with the same propaganda... bettyellen Aug 2017 #250

But you made them, and it makes your OP now suspicious RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #207

Thank you! betsuni Aug 2017 #213

yeah but any "reasonable questions" heaven05 Aug 2017 #152

You never fucking quit, do you? Codeine Aug 2017 #154

So transparent. tammywammy Aug 2017 #163

I'm speaking there solely on her stances on the issues. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #175

Sure..... tammywammy Aug 2017 #178

Policy BainsBane Aug 2017 #183

I've never insulted the poor. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #185

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #186

Hi Felicia!!!!! Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #188

I know! Right? :-D NurseJackie Aug 2017 #190

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #192

Think about it. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #193

Scurry on back there.....scurry on back. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2017 #191

What Skidmore Aug 2017 #199

I agree with you about 2018. I didn't even want to talk about 2020. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #245

you slimed her so reflexively you don't even remember it? WTF. Just stop. bettyellen Aug 2017 #256

the Never Kamala forces are only interested in tearing down Democrats! hrmjustin Aug 2017 #274

This entire thread, now 280 replies, is a great example of the keyboard warrior mental masturbation Atticus Aug 2017 #282