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166. Because there is no way this goes through...and it risks the ACA which needs help with stabilizing

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Wed Aug 2, 2017, 02:34 AM

Aug 2017

markets and such...this is akin to repealing Obamacare 50 times... a nowhere bill that achieves nothing.

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Sanders preps month-long campaign for single-payer health care, with legislation to follow [View all] Donkees Aug 2017 OP

Anybody know where people can add their name as citizen co-sponsor? Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #1

Link: Donkees Aug 2017 #3

Thanks so much for the link... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #4

Is that Sanders' campaign website? George II Aug 2017 #54

Looks like it. leftofcool Aug 2017 #55

It clearly says "Friends of Bernie Sanders". beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #56

Perhaps because of this: George II Aug 2017 #59

What does that have to do with a citizens' website ? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #62

It's not a "citizens' website", it's only one page on his campaign website. George II Aug 2017 #67

It's a PAC, not his official campaign website. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #69

It's not a PAC, https://berniesanders.com is his official campaign website. George II Aug 2017 #80

Says here it's a PAC: beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #84

I prefer to rely on the FEC.gov site which contains data submitted by the candidate himself. George II Aug 2017 #92

Still not getting why it matters if a PAC is collecting signatures. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #94

It doesn't matter if a PAC collects signatures, did anyone one ever say that? I didn't see it. George II Aug 2017 #99

So the molehill is now back to a mountain! Excellent! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #100

Does that mean that you're admitting that berniesanders.com is Sanders' campaign website... George II Aug 2017 #108

Nope, still looks like a PAC to me. I'll let you know if I find his official website. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #111

Whether it looks like a PAC to you or not doesn't change what it really is. Don't bother... George II Aug 2017 #126

Nope, I'm good. I signed it. THANKS FOR THE LINK, DONKEES! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #130

Bless your heart. George II Aug 2017 #131

May the Force be with you. Live Long and Prosper. R'Amen! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #137

Your laborious and petulant arguing of the irrelevant is most bemusing. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #200

Well there is that whole honesty and integrity thing, when you give you name Ninsianna Aug 2017 #95

So don't sign it. Problem solved! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #98

No problem there. I stopped signing up for emai lsists. leftofcool Aug 2017 #110

Oh, I'm not stupid enough to fall for these types of scams, I worry about the Ninsianna Aug 2017 #112

'MURKA! APPLE PIE! MUSTANGS! RED WHITE AND BLUE! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #117

I'm sorry, I don't understand, what are you trying to say? I don't have the decoder Ninsianna Aug 2017 #120

If you think that's what I posted then you do need that decoder ring. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #124

Perhaps set down the super special decoder ring, and re-read my post, Ninsianna Aug 2017 #132

Glad I could help! People usually recognize the hello Cthulhu in my sig line. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #134

Oh, is that what that is? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #138

Well science fiction isn't for everyone, it takes imagination. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #142

I guess not. I'm a fan, and it doesn't really take imagination, unless you're writing it Ninsianna Aug 2017 #157

"adult fan fics that involves tentacles as some sort of sexual appendage"? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #160

Someone who had apparently discovered it online, I had no idea that such a thing Ninsianna Aug 2017 #161

Sounds like someone is watching too many x rated Japanese cartoons LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #171

Hey now, the people who enjoy their tentacles need to get their freak on too, Ninsianna Aug 2017 #173

I will agree with that, but let's not neglect classic literature while we are at it. Nt LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #175

Yes, H.P. Lovecraft should be required reading. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #178

Tentacle enthusiasts are probably into both. After all Lovecraft might be the entry Ninsianna Aug 2017 #183

Perhaps the tentacle enthusiasts are not into classical literature? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #182

It does, doesn't it? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #177

That seems a bit judgey, perhaps the tentacled kitty is just that kind of cartoon. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #184

"as long as everyone is a consenting adult human they can get their freak on any way they want" Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #199

Right? I don't care if someone starts thinking about tentacle porn when they see Cthulhu. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #201

Anyway, it's not Lovecraft's fault so much as Hokusai's. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #202

You're exactly right, he did get the er...tentacle rolling on that particular genre. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #204

What a broad-ranging talent that man had. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #205

I do as well. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #209

You think? "The Great Wave" is everywhere. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #214

Showing 'Dream of a Fisherman's Wife' on Mad Men garnered a lot of attention. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #215

..right! I forgot about that. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #216

That "ie" vs. "y" was intentional, and no, "synergie" isn't an acceptable variant to "synergy".... George II Aug 2017 #192

I wonder what that decoder ring turned that totally wrong definition into. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #193

You are right. And it also matters who mines that personal data, authorized or not. George II Aug 2017 #103

That seems to be the point. Funds seeking venture that's ensnaring gullible folks Ninsianna Aug 2017 #105

Note that on the website linked above each and every page has a "contrbute" button at the top right. George II Aug 2017 #115

I know from experience that most "petitions" are simply trying to capture emails ehrnst Oct 2017 #251

Using that personal info on multiple political causes is called synergy, isn't it? QC Aug 2017 #106

Yes, I believe that is the correct term. But isn't it spelled synergie? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #113

Now that you mention it, I believe that is an acceptable variant. n/t QC Aug 2017 #116

Um... no. Your friend is having a jest at your expense. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #135

No, that's not what the word means, and it's spelled with a "y". Ninsianna Aug 2017 #133

No, that's not what that's called. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #128

Thanks. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #66

Kick And Rec Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #2

Why not craft the legislation then run the campaign to get notice for it? nt Blue_true Aug 2017 #5

Because that would require real work? Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #13

excellent, I'm super glad you made the point that Sanders isn't a Democrat ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #197

Especially since he's been working on "single payer" for at least 24 years: George II Aug 2017 #15

At least somebody is... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #17

Many have been, in fact Congressman John Conyers has introduced a "single payer" bill every year.... George II Aug 2017 #19

So you're saying it's a good thing to keep introducing this bill in the senate. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #22

That is a very long time. nt sheshe2 Aug 2017 #24

Yes, just like John Conyers! So I'm glad they haven't given up. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #26

Thank you for recognizing Conyers hard work. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #29

With you.. as usual.... pangaia Aug 2017 #30

Hey you! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #35

Then why didn't he introduce it in March when he first said he would, and why is he now.... George II Aug 2017 #25

Maybe because it wasn't ready and he was trying to save the ACA. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #33

Um..... George II Aug 2017 #44

Actually it says "has been promoting single payer universal health care since he took office in 1991 beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #46

You mean he was working on the Clinton's universal health care legislation in the 90's, R B Garr Aug 2017 #49

Actually he supported single payer universal h/c before the Clintons came on the scene. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #51

He made a speech...? But luckily the Clintons were actively working towards health care for all R B Garr Aug 2017 #61

Glad you recognize he's been on board for longer than most. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #65

Glad you agree that He needs to be honest and R B Garr Aug 2017 #77

How silly, why would that need to be part of the bill? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #82

Where did I say my post should be part of a bill? R B Garr Aug 2017 #118

You guys just don't quit do ya... pangaia Aug 2017 #86

I think their support for Senator Sanders' bill is awesome! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #91

Roger that, pangaia Aug 2017 #123

Uh oh! They know we're Burlingtonian ALBANIANS! We've been discovered! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #176

Don't forget the secret decoder ring and the tentacles! Ninsianna Aug 2017 #185

I know an art dealer in paris AND a great cellist. pangaia Aug 2017 #187

Lol! Of course you do! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #210

LOL. good one pangaia Aug 2017 #244

Who is "you guys"? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #121

Excellent point, Ninsianna. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #136

Right? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #139

Hey, you deep breath. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #143

Thanks Sheshe! Ninsianna Aug 2017 #155

I am also a democrat. Sometimes we disagree about things. pangaia Aug 2017 #189

Ooh, good catch. Who is he speaking for... R B Garr Aug 2017 #159

Odd when Democrats are referred to as "you guys" or "them" in places for Democrats! betsuni Aug 2017 #168

Or not so much. Remember how many "Burlingtonians" were online and found to have been Ninsianna Aug 2017 #170

I hope you are not suggesting I am an Albanian. pangaia Aug 2017 #191

No it's not odd. We sometimes disagree on things. Fine. pangaia Aug 2017 #190

This is way beyond liking or disliking a particular candidate. R B Garr Aug 2017 #220

Yes, we are all democrats. Did you read the other part of my post? pangaia Aug 2017 #188

Yet somehow not when the Democrats were writing ACA BainsBane Aug 2017 #76

So you're saying he was pragmatic since he did support it and even added an amendment? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #79

I support universal healthcare BainsBane Aug 2017 #144

That's nice. I have to do a few chores so I skimmed your post. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #146

No, your skimming skills BainsBane Aug 2017 #156

Wow! Your constant, passionate defense of Sanders NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #198

Aw, I'm glad you're so "touched". You guys know why I do that, right? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #203

Yet Jake Tapper asked him real questions about why Vermont doesn't have single payer. R B Garr Aug 2017 #208

Huh? He's a US Senator from VT - not the VT Governor or even a VT state legislator... JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #211

The question is why does Vermont not have single payer. R B Garr Aug 2017 #212

Right? Tapper doesn't know the difference between a US and a state senator? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #213

Bernie seemed to know why Jake Tapper asked him. R B Garr Aug 2017 #221

Ted Kennedy was instrumental in getting "Romneycare" implemented in MA. He was a US Senator, no seaglass Aug 2017 #248

Keep it up!!! NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #217

"It's an experiment" At least you admit that you are intentionally trying to R B Garr Aug 2017 #223

Heh. betsuni Aug 2017 #224

It is sad. Looks desperate, too. R B Garr Aug 2017 #228

Nah, you do that because Bernie is awesome! Lordquinton Aug 2017 #225

Yes he is! It's weird how praising him gets such an odd response. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #227

BMUS, you're the strongest woman on this site Lordquinton Aug 2017 #235

Thank you, my friend. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #236

Promoting it, but he still doesn't have a plan. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #87

It's probably similar to his other Medicare for All bills. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #88

Medicare for all is not the cure. Some seem to think it is free. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #141

Tell that to the 100+ Dems who cosponsored John Conyers house bill. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #145

Now it is Conyers bill. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #147

You do realize that Conyers is in the house and Bernie's in the Senate, right? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #148

Nope. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #151

Well then you should start googling! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #152

No kidding. How is this a bad thing? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #20

'cause its Bernie. LOL.... pangaia Aug 2017 #32

Precisely! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #36

A few lurking Wiley Coyotes.. pangaia Aug 2017 #40

Nooooooo! Poor octo. I love cephalopods! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #45

Yeah, I went to hear 'you know who," heh heh... whom we won't mention here.. pangaia Aug 2017 #90

I am so jealous. I'll bet it was sublime... beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #96

Amazing to see isn't it? Fighting for universal healthcare - oh that Bernie. Nanjeanne Aug 2017 #64

Because there is no way this goes through...and it risks the ACA which needs help with stabilizing Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #166

Because Bernie did something very, very, very, very, very naughty! QC Aug 2017 #42

Yes he did! Bad Bernie! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #48

Because the repugs will never let it get to the floor for a vote. brush Aug 2017 #60

Keep that powder dry! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #68

It's like a great man once said: QC Aug 2017 #72

A wise man indeed! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #74

It's John Conyers' bill. Looking forward to Bernie explaining that he is endorsing R B Garr Aug 2017 #47

How interesting. Good to know. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #93

His name is John Conyers, but I guess giving him credit for his actual bill that he's Ninsianna Aug 2017 #97

Lol! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #102

Why are you "loling" at John Conyers? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #104

I'm LOLing at the idea that Bernie is some sort of EVIL VILLAIN. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #109

so you're loling at something that you and only you created out of whole cloth? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #114

Nope, pretty sure this was in your post: beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #122

Has Bernie put foward the bill yet? I'll credit when there is an actual bill. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #163

First. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #149

I haven't taken orders since I left the service and I'm not about to start now beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #150

I will not read the whole thread to see what you posted prior to mine. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #153

Oh dear, and I was almost out the door too. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #154

Well, that's usually the reason for "petitions" from orgs ehrnst Oct 2017 #254

Not successfully. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #252

:) sheshe2 Aug 2017 #23

Quoting his e-mail, there needs to be ''an unprecedented organizing and educational campaign'' Donkees Aug 2017 #16

That was easy enough. Thank you! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #18

Does that include fact checking of the legislation? ehrnst Oct 2017 #253

Maybe the idea is to build early momentum loyalsister Aug 2017 #50

Awesome. Now is the time to strike. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #6

No, I think we should keep our powder dry and take Casterly Rock first. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #8

Oops, I thought you were talking about this powder: beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #10

It's been such a traumatic few days for mental imagery, with Bannon, et al... Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #11

Non Newtonian fluids are cool! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #12

Or.. MISTER BUBBLE "Keep Dry" pangaia Aug 2017 #34

Wow! That brings back memories! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #39

Lazlo Toth forever...... pangaia Aug 2017 #43

Found one! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #52

OH MY GODDESS !!!!!!!!!!!!! pangaia Aug 2017 #85

You're welcome! Glad I could find it. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #125

That stuff just gave me a rash Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #164

At least you didn't have to worry about tentacles back then! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #167

and here, I thought HP Lovecraft just made printers! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #179

He was diabolical enough to design them. No tentacles required. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #180

14th time's a charm! (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #255

DURec leftstreet Aug 2017 #7

K&R nt Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #9

K&R emulatorloo Aug 2017 #14

i'm glad he's decided to support Conyer's bill. BainsBane Aug 2017 #21

Me too, Lots of questions. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #27

+1000000 nt Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #28

Something tells me not too many "established" Democrats will get on board for this. leftofcool Aug 2017 #57

How can that be true since Bernie invented the idea? nini Aug 2017 #81

Meh... brooklynite Aug 2017 #31

You don't support single-payer healthcare? Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #37

I'm saying Bernie Sanders isn't "working" to pass it... brooklynite Aug 2017 #41

Of course he isnt joeybee12 Aug 2017 #119

Good question leftofcool Aug 2017 #38

Thank you! Snackshack Aug 2017 #53

Thank you, Bernie! chwaliszewski Aug 2017 #58

Go Bernie! Eom LittleGirl Aug 2017 #63

Go Bernie! mountain grammy Aug 2017 #70

Yes! Hey mountain grammy! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #71

Good to see you too, BMUS mountain grammy Aug 2017 #89

What's his address again? Sgent Aug 2017 #73

LOL leftofcool Aug 2017 #75

It's at the bottom of every page on that website linked in Post #3 above: George II Aug 2017 #83

Do not worry. The senate clearly has the numbers and in the frame of mind Ninsianna Aug 2017 #101

Oh I can tell you stories about Medicare leftofcool Aug 2017 #107

That was my understanding of Medicare. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #172

LOL! Welcome to DU Ninsianna! Keep on posting. I kove your posts! lunamagica Aug 2017 #169

Well thank you lunamagica! Ninsianna Aug 2017 #174

Did you also know that Sanders isn't a Democrat? ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #194

ZOMG WTF BBQ? NOT A DEMOCRAT? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #207

Thank you ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #218

It would be funny if it wasn't so obvious. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #230

LOL R B Garr Aug 2017 #231

should we be campaigning on things the GOP will actually pass? WTF would that be at this point in JCanete Aug 2017 #247

Thanks for this donkees! K&R! nt riderinthestorm Aug 2017 #78

Single Payer it is about time Not Ruth Aug 2017 #127

I'm in cilla4progress Aug 2017 #129

Rallying around a concept without proposing an effective bill just failed hard for the GOP.... SaschaHM Aug 2017 #140

No actually not. The GOP bill made it to the floor, and the GOP lost by only three votes. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #165

Did you know that Sanders is also not a Democrat? ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #195

K&R. dchill Aug 2017 #158

And this is a great big waste of time...why not try to stabilize the markets? Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #162

what is a waste of time about it? Can you actually think of any legislation that would be good in JCanete Aug 2017 #186

why waste time on an ideal with has 0% chance of moving forward Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #234

can you imagine a compromise that is actually a possibility with the GOP? Whatever that is, we are JCanete Aug 2017 #241

yes, we will be able to make progress w incrementalism Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #249

There is no incentive for the GOP to compromise whatsoever. We have offered nothing for them JCanete Aug 2017 #250

So you're saying it's futile. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #256

I'm saying the point is to win over the american public, not republican legislators. Get the public JCanete Oct 2017 #258

Unicorns that health policy experts say won't work? ehrnst Oct 2017 #259

wow, there are some health policy experts who say it won't work? Color me surprised. JCanete Oct 2017 #260

And here we go.... ehrnst Oct 2017 #261

Kick for Senator Bernie Sanders! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #181

Way to go, Sanders ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #196

This whole thread has become a shit show. Agschmid Aug 2017 #206

I think most of the party is just fine ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #219

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2017 #222

honestly think the only chance we have is that Bernie bows out entirely Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #226

Why should Bernie retire? He's the most popular senator. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #229

I didn't mean bow out of being the senator from Vermont Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #232

Gotta be careful, one's own words can easily be twisted around here and used against oneself. George II Aug 2017 #237

True, but hopefully he'll be forthcoming about his melanoma. ehrnst Oct 2017 #257

Sounds very wise. The talking points have been rejected by voters R B Garr Aug 2017 #233

That is what ignore is for. demmiblue Aug 2017 #238

I don't use the feature, I'd rather see the craziness. Agschmid Aug 2017 #239

Lol! demmiblue Aug 2017 #240

Indeed... Agschmid Aug 2017 #245

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #242

Thanks for the link. Agschmid Aug 2017 #243

You're welcome. R B Garr Aug 2017 #246