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Robb

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30. You may or may not find it gratifying to know

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:52 AM

Dec 2011

...that until you told me, nearly two years ago now (!), I had no idea Greenwald was gay. And it took another member (I can't remember who) explaining his husband
and Brazil and everything for me to "get" what you're saying here. I didn't connect the dots myself, I needed it spelled out for me.

Since then, obviously, I've contnued to criticize the man's work, but have not used his expat status as a foil. Yet I am roundly scolded regardless.

This leads me to two points: first, you should probably, as you talk about members attacking a gay writer, go ahead and be explicit with who you're talking about and why it's relevant.

Second, when Greenwald continues to be uncritically defended -- or his critics routinely told they are homophobes for criticizing him, even on issues not surrounding his expat status -- don't be terribly surprised if you're not taken as 100% sincere. You are consistent in this matter; all of DU is not. It is not your fault, but you will take some of the consequence of that.

Unfairness is no stranger, is part of what I'm saying, and look here's some more. I do not see a solution.

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NYT: 'On Gay Rights, Obama Lets Surrogates Lead' [View all] Newsjock Dec 2011 OP

At least someone from the Administration is talking about it. William769 Dec 2011 #1

I know too many gay Republicans. David__77 Dec 2011 #2

Sometimes it comes from just wanting to feel special and "different." I know black Republicans who Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #35

There is little indication that Mr. Obama plans to endorse same-sex marriage before the presidential MADem Dec 2011 #3

He slapped GLBTs in the face in his first five minutes Occulus Dec 2011 #6

No, not what I said at all. The word "act" has more than one meaning. MADem Dec 2011 #13

I agree 100% as opposed to Mr. Clinton who went around southern states bragging about DOMA. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #36

Congress has to repeal DOMA. They make law, not the Prez. MADem Jan 2012 #39

Sorry, that's what I meant to say. My point is that people are upset with Obama Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #41

Clinton held his nose while doing it, though, I think. MADem Jan 2012 #44

Then, I can't understand why some refuse to give Obama the *SAME* benefit of the doubt. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #45

I agree. MADem Jan 2012 #46

That's one way to frame it. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #4

I'd say you're right. emilyg Dec 2011 #5

It's both. Occulus Dec 2011 #7

+1000 FreeState Dec 2011 #8

Yes, because Bill Clinton didn't support it. He ran on banning gay marriage and let liberals Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #37

that is just plain whacko dsc Jan 2012 #43

Yes I can, because the prior 43 did not treestar Jan 2012 #47

Yeah, what has Obama done for gay Americans after all? Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #9

That's quite a list. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #10

LOL. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #12

Show me Dubya's list. Or John McCain's. Or Mitt Romney's for that matter. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #16

HIV has nothing to do with LGBTQ rights. Fearless Dec 2011 #18

First I've heard of this. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #19

When 'AIDS activists' intreupped a Presidential speech, all of DU called them 'gay activists' Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #23

"this health crisis is still presented as our property." Hogwash. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #27

Duh. My point is that it is not JUST ours, and yet when anyone speaks on AIDS Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #48

""President Obama urges Americans to get tested for HIV" Fearless Jan 2012 #32

It's words, not policy. What were his actions? He signed a law banning funding for needle exchanges, LeftyMom Dec 2011 #20

Now you're just being silly and insulting. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #21

Nothing like telling a minority their leader has done enough FreeState Dec 2011 #11

Being part of that minority as I am Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #14

Except that the FACT is that he is opposed to marriage equality, that is our Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #25

Using marriage equality to bash the President when he's done so much in other places Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #28

He is using it to claim his kind are superior to our kind, he is the one opposing us Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #49

I don't think he said that he's "done enough." Nowhere did I see that language. Unfair MADem Dec 2011 #15

Yes! And it's laughable that so many support Ron Paul. Do they really think that voting for Paul Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #38

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I'm a gay democrat musicblind Dec 2011 #17

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He's called for the repeal of the Defense of Marriage act. He calls it unconstitutional Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #29

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Starting with McClurkin, his surrogates always did that part. Sent the message he Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #24

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One the groups at that 'event' Mary Mary compared LGBTIQ xchrom Dec 2011 #31

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"Marriage is between a man and a woman" - Barack Obama. Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #42