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angrychair

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51. More important that a vote in Congress

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 12:50 PM

Aug 2017

The DCCC proposal to court anti-choice candidates has created a big dust up here and everywhere else.
Why do we continue to have this debate?

If you think we should court anti-choice candidates I ask you this question: what rights are negotiable to you? What other rights are you willing to give up?

LGBT rights?

Global warming?

Women's right to vote?

PoC voting rights?

If any or all seem like a ridiculous question than I ask another question:

Why are they ridiculous but a women's basic human rights negotiable?

My point is that it cannot just be about getting a person that claims to be a Democrat but personally does not support basic human rights for everyone, elected to office.

Most importantly, It is not a partisan issue. Supporting basic human rights, like a women's ability to obtain reproductive healthcare or an LGBT person's ability to marry who they love, does not make someone a "Democrat" it makes them a human being.

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What the fuck is going on with this anti-choice shit? What bizarro world have I stepped in to? [View all] LexVegas Aug 2017 OP

a permanent minority party does nothing to protect the rights of women nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #1

Translation: ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #2

Barack Obama got the votes of plenty of racists, and more than a few sexists voted for Hillary geek tragedy Aug 2017 #7

Uh, the point centers around racist politicians, ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #9

so in districts where a pro-choice candidate who supports tax funds paying for abortion can't win, geek tragedy Aug 2017 #12

Stand up. For your principles. 6000eliot Aug 2017 #24

A party that doesn't win any elections is absolutely worthless and should disband itself nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #26

A party without principles they're willing to stand up for should disband as well flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #27

Absolutely. 6000eliot Aug 2017 #29

WEDGE ISSUE, 3 long threads going right now. Look to the Russians, Hortensis Aug 2017 #165

EXACTLY!! niyad Aug 2017 #48

Such a disappointment. I really thought you were one of feminists best allies here. Sorry to say I boston bean Aug 2017 #32

Your last comment mentioned not winning in a deep red area, ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #69

if Democrats as a national party can't win the White House & can't win the House of Representatives geek tragedy Aug 2017 #117

What ever votes we would gain from an anti-choice candidate, we would lose smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #109

The "purity" argument coming from some is odd. Agschmid Aug 2017 #138

This, is so wrong! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #154

ABSOLUTELY! Brainstormy Aug 2017 #61

How will allowing Cons perpetual control idahoblue Aug 2017 #159

So, in a red district, it would be OK to put up a candidate Bettie Aug 2017 #35

Again, running competitive candidates in conservative districts is not the same geek tragedy Aug 2017 #70

Having those candidates in seats Bettie Aug 2017 #111

What matters more than anything is which party controls Congress. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #114

And if these compromised elected Democrats get into the leadership mazzarro Aug 2017 #137

Yes, just give up. ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #68

no, if they want to run and they're told they're not welcome as a Democrat, they'll geek tragedy Aug 2017 #71

That makes no sense. ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #73

okay fine, then you don't need to send them money nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #74

I agree ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #75

people are up in arms because the head of the DCCC said they won't condition geek tragedy Aug 2017 #76

Yes ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #79

where'd you get your 25%? lakeguy Aug 2017 #131

here geek tragedy Aug 2017 #132

Manchin, Donnelly, and Casey all stood against geek tragedy Aug 2017 #167

There will be plenty of pro-choice candidates in districts we can win we should support. Fla Dem Aug 2017 #161

There would be no Democratic xxqqqzme Aug 2017 #145

It's Realpolitik. Igel Aug 2017 #42

On the other hand ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #64

Democrats never f*cking learn. SusanaMontana41 Aug 2017 #46

What we haven't learned yet is that we don't win because we keep trying to be smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #113

EXACTLY right. SusanaMontana41 Aug 2017 #127

Democrats often succumb to the prevailing winds without the guts and cleverness to stand up to RKP5637 Aug 2017 #155

Double Bingo! rock Aug 2017 #83

heck no! we are better than that!!!! demigoddess Aug 2017 #140

Okay atreides1 Aug 2017 #20

Thank you. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #22

How much anti-choice legislation passed when Nancy Pelosi was Speaker? geek tragedy Aug 2017 #25

By getting you a pro-choice soeaker of the House Loki Liesmith Aug 2017 #151

Translation: "Women, get under the bus so we can win." AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #40

Thank you. a la izquierda Aug 2017 #58

Again, that's a logical fallacy. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #102

More complex than that. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #107

what's the purpose of the party if it's not going to be competitive in elections? nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #108

If it's not currently competitive, then the purpose is to become so. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #110

Our base isn't enough to win. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #112

A discharge petition can override that. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #116

you can't safely assume that. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #119

Wrong. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #120

There hasn't been a single successful discharge petition since 2002 (McCain-Feingold) geek tragedy Aug 2017 #121

I think you just made my point. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #122

Rand Paul is a member of the majority party which favors banning abortion geek tragedy Aug 2017 #123

THIS time they didn't. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #124

the place to fight abortion is not within the Democratic Party geek tragedy Aug 2017 #126

I don't think that what you posit as statement B accurately reflects what the poster said. lapucelle Aug 2017 #152

your comments are so disappointing to everybody who fights for the right thing, even when it's not Corvo Bianco Aug 2017 #63

just because someone thinks there's a more effective way to fight does not mean geek tragedy Aug 2017 #101

When it comes to something like this, something as fundamental to my humanity as rights to Corvo Bianco Aug 2017 #105

Anti choicers MFM008 Aug 2017 #78

they don't need to if they give us a majority. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #100

So voting for a white supremacist is OK mcar Aug 2017 #94

are 25% of Democrats white supremacists? geek tragedy Aug 2017 #99

It gets worse dragonfly301 Aug 2017 #133

I have a blood clotting disorder that makes pregnancy dangerous LeftyMom Aug 2017 #139

We are not a minority party. A construct put in the constitution by slave holders to protect... NNadir Aug 2017 #141

It's a shame this even needs to be said NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #3

Fucking ridiculous. Democrats need to ghostsinthemachine Aug 2017 #4

This. CrispyQ Aug 2017 #14

EXACTLY. SusanaMontana41 Aug 2017 #52

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #115

Amen shenmue Aug 2017 #5

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #6

Bad Idea Oubaas Aug 2017 #8

Thank you. K&R DLevine Aug 2017 #10

I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!! Raster Aug 2017 #11

Recommended. H2O Man Aug 2017 #13

Assumption that enough anti-choice votes might tip swing states exactly as needed? lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #15

Courting the idiotic prolife voters is one thing. Running anti-choice candidates? LexVegas Aug 2017 #18

Good rant canetoad Aug 2017 #16

Agree bcbink Aug 2017 #17

K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #19

I don't know but it's making me sick, and MAD. MoonRiver Aug 2017 #21

I'm with you!!! VaBchTgerLily Aug 2017 #23

i agree!!! no anti choice candidate will get my $$ samnsara Aug 2017 #28

Yes...k & r NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #30

Did you vote for Barack Obama in 2008? Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #31

Obama explicitly stated he was for SSM and gay rights long before running for President LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #36

No he didn't, and no - it was NOT an act. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #38

Actually he did in 1996 LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #82

Does that include voting for a candidate who expressly opposes gay marriage? Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #84

If I have no other choice then yes LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #90

Then we're on the same page. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #93

For the most part we are LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #97

Agreed on the primary - Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #103

As I recall, he was iffy on gay marriage, but on board w/other gay rights. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #43

Don't you know instead of rejoicing in that fact, it should be used as a bludgeon to keep others boston bean Aug 2017 #45

I have no idea what you're talking about or what you're upset about. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #67

I am basing my statement on a document he signed in 1996 LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #85

He changed his position well before he ran for president, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #92

I tend to think his views prior to running for national office were more likely to be honest LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #95

Most of the candidates we are talking about are on board with other women's rights. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #87

I agree that Obama came around a bit late for my taste, ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #80

I don't believe he would have. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #86

I can't see him resisting it... ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #89

THANK YOU. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #33

Tom Emmer of Minnesota does not care what you think Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #34

That's absolutely correct. He doesn't. MineralMan Aug 2017 #77

K&R Progressive dog Aug 2017 #37

Amazingly, there were Democrats who stayed home in November because they honestly believed StevieM Aug 2017 #39

If a person is not opened minded enough to understand that women have the right Mountain Mule Aug 2017 #41

Divisive bullshit. we can do it Aug 2017 #44

+1 broadcaster90210 Aug 2017 #47

k and r, with deepest thanks. niyad Aug 2017 #49

No anti-choice in my Democratic party msdogi Aug 2017 #50

More important that a vote in Congress angrychair Aug 2017 #51

Absolutely. That slope is steep, slippery and ends with enslavement. nolabear Aug 2017 #53

Right there with you. hamsterjill Aug 2017 #54

Do We Really Need to Pull the Rug Out From Under Women, Yet Again? dlk Aug 2017 #55

Yes, yes, yes and thank you! UtahLib Aug 2017 #56

Thank you wryter2000 Aug 2017 #57

Apparently Hillary could have picked up those Rust Belt states by being more pro whatever Not Ruth Aug 2017 #59

You should maybe take a class on how the House of Representatives works DefenseLawyer Aug 2017 #60

You've highlighted what this issue is really about, control of Congress. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #128

The question is a distortion of common sense Pantagruel Aug 2017 #62

Did something specific happen that brought this issue up today? Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #65

Simple Egnever Aug 2017 #66

Eh after reading some posts this week on this issue I'm quite sure that's NOT the case. BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #91

Planet Citizens United. Orsino Aug 2017 #72

an Ugly Truth DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #81

For some folks it's party over ... GeorgeGist Aug 2017 #88

So are we better off with the Republicans dominating every level of government? Willie Pep Aug 2017 #96

Why is it OK for cops to murder our living, breathing, family members & friends? Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #98

If we want the Democratic Party to stop with this MuseRider Aug 2017 #104

Party conservatives think the most basic human right of half the population is dispensable Warpy Aug 2017 #106

+1,000!!! Right on! AgadorSparticus Aug 2017 #118

the only reason this is possible is dems ignore rw radio while it certainot Aug 2017 #125

The Democratic party dflprincess Aug 2017 #129

certainly not on abortion dsc Aug 2017 #134

DURec leftstreet Aug 2017 #130

What bizarro world have I stepped in to? Jopin Klobe Aug 2017 #135

And democrats so often take the bait!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #157

Exactly Lunabell Aug 2017 #136

Exactly jmowreader Aug 2017 #142

Personally, Any democrat worth there salt would not even consider anything but pro-choice.... Old Vet Aug 2017 #143

Right there with ya buddy! Ligyron Aug 2017 #144

I'm with you there, but also apply your attitude to the all out looting and greed by the 1%. brewens Aug 2017 #146

I can not speak of anyone but myself. Lady Freedom Returns Aug 2017 #147

Only 40% of those who could have VOTED MasonDreams Aug 2017 #148

Are anti-choice Democrats preferred over Republicans? PDittie Aug 2017 #149

24. Just 24. Amimnoch Aug 2017 #150

A lot of people say something can't be done until it is. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #156

The Majority party writes, and passes the bills that become laws. Amimnoch Aug 2017 #158

Amen fuck them all to hell dembotoz Aug 2017 #153

Can the Democrats afford to throw women under the bus? Nightowl Aug 2017 #160

It's a deliberate, calculated distraction, meant to split and weaken Democrats. Paladin Aug 2017 #162

There are threads about it because it is current news. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #164

And look at you, putting an ugly spin on my comments. Paladin Aug 2017 #166

Life or Death. To my mind, it's about a Woman's right to Her life. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2017 #163