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bettyellen

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24. Well demonized is a hell of a lot better than debased, tortured and dehumanized, so there's that...

Sat Aug 5, 2017, 11:59 AM

Aug 2017

I'd feel different if the consequences and attitudes that came from that time were long dead- but we all know tthey are not. Too many people are going to be rooting for the slave owners. Too many other people are going to know it's about their own recent ancestors, or themselves in a sense.

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WHY HBOS CONFEDERATE IS A BAD IDEA [View all] HAB911 Aug 2017 OP

Don't judge a book by it's cover. That said, I love the angst over this Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #1

Yep, I remember the Look magazine story long ago HAB911 Aug 2017 #3

So then, why not do an alternate history where the white people are the slaves frazzled Aug 2017 #4

We've had that done in literature Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #5

No, they are always adolescent fantasies in which frazzled Aug 2017 #10

Wow, look at the size of that broad brush you're waving around Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #11

Watching Game of Thrones is EXACTLY LIKE Voting For Donald Trump!!!! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #110

it's the most popular show on the planet right now, isn't it? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #74

And Donald J Trump is President of the United States of America frazzled Aug 2017 #108

Ah. logic for people who don't understand how logic works. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #109

It's implausible LittleBlue Aug 2017 #7

"It would veer so far into fantasy people wouldn't watch" BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #13

GOT fits its world LittleBlue Aug 2017 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #53

Right BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #106

Only if you cannot imagine a world in which frazzled Aug 2017 #16

I disagree LittleBlue Aug 2017 #36

But her dragons are plausible? What? bettyellen Aug 2017 #22

GOT isn't an alt history LittleBlue Aug 2017 #35

Here's the exercise to take Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #39

So aliens landing is also plausible? LOL. The lengths people go to.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #43

Betty, you're missing the point of what I'm trying to say. Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #44

Any crazy implausible thing, by your standard is a viable "pivot point".... bettyellen Aug 2017 #46

Dragons and aliens are far-end examples Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #47

I don't think it would be hard to do something similar to High Castle.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #52

You're right about that, the defeated South Mariana Aug 2017 #76

Thanks! I see the dude who challenged me has bolted from the convo... bettyellen Aug 2017 #77

If we are looking for white slaves one only need glance at history. Ligyron Aug 2017 #51

Already written by rusty fender Aug 2017 #129

It would also seem to have ignored mechanization Warpy Aug 2017 #78

Read "White Lotus" by John Hersey Fozzledick Aug 2017 #17

Wonderful book. n/t librechik Aug 2017 #30

all this talk of "white slaves" is BULLSHIT. heaven05 Aug 2017 #57

That's why American slavery was called the Solomon Aug 2017 #134

SO TRUE heaven05 Aug 2017 #135

Doesn't have to be an alternate - the Barbary states had that exact situation. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #19

My thought exactly. Make white people the slaves. Entertain yourself with that pain. nt chimpymustgo Aug 2017 #20

I remember reading an alternate history where Native Americans had held back European invaders... hunter Aug 2017 #68

Excellent point! Snackshack Aug 2017 #107

Tangential to that, ever hear of "White Man's Burden?" misanthrope Aug 2017 #115

I think there may be just that in the works too.. PoorMonger Aug 2017 #127

Good points. Behind the Aegis Aug 2017 #29

I was getting bored with The Man In The High Castle as alternate history. Iggo Aug 2017 #41

The main point of "The Man in the High Castle" is that authoritarian Nazi ideology... hunter Aug 2017 #82

I'm a Game of Thrones fan, TDale313 Aug 2017 #2

For reference, a wiki list of various alternate history properties Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #6

Pax Romana got so close to being made Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #8

You know, a mockumentary on this same subject has already been done. Paladin Aug 2017 #9

So should Man in the High Castle not be made as well? BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #12

I'm not against it, post for discussion HAB911 Aug 2017 #14

Look for it on Amazon. Fantastic series! librechik Aug 2017 #31

How many Confederate Generals were hung at Nuremburg? leftstreet Aug 2017 #32

Doesn't really matter BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #55

It's a story. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #80

Yes of course. I just think it's a shit idea leftstreet Aug 2017 #113

By my reckoning the South has risen again misanthrope Aug 2017 #116

Yes, in Germany it's an aweful idea YCHDT Aug 2017 #33

I'm sure opinions are varied on it Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #40

The world is not Germany BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #54

Hell, white Southerners (like me) are the ones likely to be demonized by this show ... dawg Aug 2017 #15

Well demonized is a hell of a lot better than debased, tortured and dehumanized, so there's that... bettyellen Aug 2017 #24

This is fair, but what about historic films? What about the handmaid's tale? Who do those JCanete Aug 2017 #48

I remember the Handmaids Tale as a reaction to the radical evangelical right gaining power.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #58

IT IS BEING MADE BY BLACK FILMMAKERS Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #61

They are NOT the creative leads, it's not their baby. Sorry the Spellmans bettyellen Aug 2017 #64

I understand the reservations. I would hope that the show-runners consult heavily with the writers, JCanete Aug 2017 #63

It's fiction. Like "The Satanic Verses". Does this mean a FATWA against HBO in next? n/t Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #18

Are you likening black critics or liberals to extremist fundamentalists? HA shit is crazy bettyellen Aug 2017 #45

You think this is going to make the south look good? Cosmocat Aug 2017 #21

I have come to the conclusion that some stories that are written aren't necessarily true DefenseLawyer Aug 2017 #23

A more accurate script would have the Confederacy ... GeorgeGist Aug 2017 #25

That's a good point. Does it manage to thrive in this one? nt JCanete Aug 2017 #49

That was the very first thing I thought misanthrope Aug 2017 #117

So the entertainment industry wants to do their part and join the MSM in the effort to legitimize still_one Aug 2017 #26

what? come on. There are criticisms to have, but do you know anything about this project? How does JCanete Aug 2017 #50

The speculation isn't that far from Ron Paul's view that the Civil War was unnecessary, and still_one Aug 2017 #59

The train of thought on slavery's longevity misanthrope Aug 2017 #119

Then we are much on the same page. The immorality of it, along with the sufferring that still_one Aug 2017 #120

We have proof the immorality would have continued. misanthrope Aug 2017 #128

excellent analysis still_one Aug 2017 #132

HBO? Seriously? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #73

HBO is a money making enterprise period. CNN, Time Warner, AT&T still_one Aug 2017 #93

It is worth noting, though, that the Scientologists do have it in for HBO bigtime, now. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #97

That is cool, and you and others enjoy it, and that is really all that counts still_one Aug 2017 #99

Here's what I would humbly suggest; that people reserve judgment until the thing is actually aired. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #101

Sure still_one Aug 2017 #112

But I want to be mad NOW! Dr. Strange Aug 2017 #118

Some of their documentaries are outstanding. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #126

Thank you for posting this TNC piece aikoaiko Aug 2017 #27

AlternateHistoryHub is a Channel on YouTube Leith Aug 2017 #28

There have been plenty of alternate histories written. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #37

Let's also keep in mind who is actually working on this project Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #38

The "two white dudes" ARE the creative force and show runners behind the project.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #60

Sorry, I'll just stop responding to you from here on out Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #62

Like it or not, the two mains on this are calling the shots. And from GOT I don't bettyellen Aug 2017 #66

Harry Turtledove has done several different series focused on the same ideas Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #42

I can't see heaven05 Aug 2017 #56

Well, at least the people trying to get Game of Thrones censored seem to have kinda given up. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #65

I thought it was rape rape rapes added to the narrative that pissed people off? bettyellen Aug 2017 #67

I thought it was the full frontal nudity, actually. Some people lose it over that. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #69

Nope,it was mostly they added a few rapes that weren't in the books. bettyellen Aug 2017 #71

Which ones? I've read the books. They've deviated quite a bit from the material Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #72

I don't remember the names, but you know how readers get attached to their characters.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #75

I'm not outraged about either, actually. Like I said, it's a rather brutal story. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #79

I know it's fiction (that I'm not invested in) but that "no" does mean it was rape... bettyellen Aug 2017 #81

No, I don't have any confusion. I'm just pointing out that there wasn't a peep over the rape in the Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #83

That's a very love it or leave it attitude toward criticism, I think.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #84

I don't, actually, think the complaints are mainly coming from devoted fans of the books. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #86

I've not seen half of it, but it appears rape is more common than consensual sex .... bettyellen Aug 2017 #88

So you haven't really been following it, then. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #89

You've once been reading different criticism than I. It was totally the amount of rapes bettyellen Aug 2017 #90

You mean aside from the Theon "dick in a box" scene, I assume Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #91

I love that song! But I did the research you suggested and yeah - there's a big lack of penii on bettyellen Aug 2017 #94

Hey, I'm all for it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #96

You have no idea how much female fans would love to see NCW bettyellen Aug 2017 #100

They're both fine looking gents, agreed. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #102

Aside from Tyrion and Oberon I can't think of other sex....But they kept him pretty covered up. bettyellen Aug 2017 #103

Sex North of the Wall, lol. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #104

I just caught the last one and holy shit, I've met really liked battle scenes before this show but.. bettyellen Aug 2017 #121

LALALALALALALALAAAAAA IM NOT LISTENING LALALALALALALAAAAAAAA Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #122

Yeah, I read LOTR in HS and while the movies were pretty, it also bored me.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #125

Holy Shit. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #133

Told you so! GOT lured me in with battle scenes which is funny because they're not usually my thing. bettyellen Aug 2017 #136

That's a good question. I wondered the same thing. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #139

Sansa reminds me of Jan Brady- jealous of her siblings because they're all really exceptional and bettyellen Aug 2017 #140

OK NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #137

Right, I mentioned the Jaime/Cersei thing. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #138

I don't think that's really accurate cemaphonic Aug 2017 #130

I don't think it was that they were "gruesome" as much as gratuitous? bettyellen Aug 2017 #131

Hey... I'm sure all the controversy around the show will depress the veiwership numbers Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #70

What if Columbus' ships sunk with all hands ? rickford66 Aug 2017 #85

What if John Lennon was in Nickelback, instead of the Beatles? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #87

My humble suggestion would be for folks to wait and see. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #92

Until it airs brettdale Aug 2017 #95

The article is good at outlining why It's a bad idea ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #98

It's on HBO and it's being produced by Benioff and Weiss Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #111

Meanwhile, Whitehead's The Underground Railroad Retrograde Aug 2017 #105

Wonderful book.. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #124

This is a bad idea and IMHO doomed to quick and messy failure. mikehiggins Aug 2017 #114

Given the discussions this show has already caused NobodyHere Aug 2017 #123