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In reply to the discussion: If we can't support Kamala Harris or democrats like [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)154. "until citizens united is overturned we must play the game." You think playing by those rules
will ever give us an opportunity to change them? The people putting money into the system like those rules. I'm sorry, just going along and keeping our head down on that issue will not ever resolve it. Letting it fade into the background as business as usual is not going to address it. Instead, its going to keep us in the minority, occasionally tipping into the majority and while we're there, watering down our proposals so as not to offend our least progressive members that edged us into that tenuous grasp of power.
Rather than posts telling us why we MUST do something, I'd rather just see the justifications for why this or that politician is deserving of our full-uncritical support.
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Part misogyny and part unconscious racial bias. Harris would be a great candidate
brush
Aug 2017
#15
Ok, that's your opinion. IMO some are opposing her for the same reasons you state.
brush
Aug 2017
#24
Right? Holy shit people it's 2017...way too early for the circular firing squads...
WoonTars
Aug 2017
#85
I agree. We need to bring back the DLC and Third Way. That's how you win. nm
mr_liberal
Aug 2017
#12
"We have to stop fighting each other and work together." +1 . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Aug 2017
#168
That was in response to 12 years of Republicans in the White House. It was grim.
yallerdawg
Aug 2017
#16
Bernie developed a huge following. There are a number of reasons why.
BlancheSplanchnik
Aug 2017
#62
I am a lifelong democrat a former elected member of my county central committee
onecaliberal
Aug 2017
#27
I disagree sir, Going down the road of name calling such as corporate dems on the first post is
Old Vet
Aug 2017
#39
Personalities are the true test of orientation, not issues imposed by the era.
Hortensis
Aug 2017
#194
Their deeply held beliefs put trump in the White House. You can't possibly be arguing
onecaliberal
Aug 2017
#36
#1 reason. She IS a Democrat. She was just an example. Everyone will have different opinions
onecaliberal
Aug 2017
#59
Lieberman was NEVER at the top of the ticket. If his state saw fit to send him to D.C.
onecaliberal
Aug 2017
#66
I didn't say if SHE I said if you don't vote for the actual candidate (top of ticket)
onecaliberal
Aug 2017
#74
Isn't it good enough to support her in her work for the only office she's interested in
Ninsianna
Aug 2017
#150
Haven't we learned anything about having party loyalists annoint a nominee?
DefenseLawyer
Aug 2017
#41
Of course it does. Once the primary was over you voted for the ticket. That's what I'm saying.
onecaliberal
Aug 2017
#64
Almost everyone on this board and elsewhere is fine with giving every Democrat a chance
aikoaiko
Aug 2017
#49
Yeah, e.g. Kamala Harris has to fight for her life in notoriously right-wing California.
YoungDemCA
Aug 2017
#68
I agree, it didn't prove it. It may however have opened the door for others to try the same approach
JCanete
Aug 2017
#155
I meant electoral fraud. Yes words do matter. And so does jumping to conclusions.
58Sunliner
Aug 2017
#180
Yes, I explained that the terminology was incorrect, and I agree leapuing to conclusions is
Ninsianna
Aug 2017
#189
Sadly that's not working too well as a tactic, since the words don't say what you
Ninsianna
Aug 2017
#193
Already plenty aware of her current efforts. That doesn't erase her past...
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2017
#105
I don't care if you doubt my actions. I do it for literally every candidate from the top down.
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2017
#111
You basically called anyone with concerns with Harris a liar and a troll.
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2017
#114
You never made any distinction. You essentially said any criticism was an attack.
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2017
#117
I only alert egregious violations because I actually care about discussion this board.
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2017
#126
Senators who voted for the 1994 Crime Bill surely must be suspect because of such a history
betsuni
Aug 2017
#144
This is getting repetitive. They really need a better gameplan, but I guess they
Ninsianna
Aug 2017
#151
Conversely, there will be no party unity unless you learn to recognize legitimate concerns.
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2017
#103
To be honest, I haven't seen too many direct attacks on her but a lot of folks are just curious why
Quixote1818
Aug 2017
#147
"until citizens united is overturned we must play the game." You think playing by those rules
JCanete
Aug 2017
#154
I think our "pragmatism" has gotten us here, which frankly makes it not that pragmatic.
JCanete
Aug 2017
#185
We are completely and totally fucked now. We don't even know if our votes counted.
onecaliberal
Aug 2017
#186
that is quite possible, but if that is true, playing the game as it is rigged is certainly not doing
JCanete
Aug 2017
#188
Neither is voting third party or staying home. Those two options are losers for sure.
onecaliberal
Aug 2017
#190