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heaven05

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179. straw argument, no politician is "unsullied", period

Sun Aug 6, 2017, 11:23 AM

Aug 2017

even ALL candidates from last election. Some even shot themselves and us all, true liberals and progressives, in the foot by denying certain issues affecting millions were not important enough to address, even though murder was being perpetrated against those non-important people/issue in the streets by agents of the state and RW thieves of voting rights.

With Senator Harris, WE ARE, trying to move on to the task of removing the RW stain governing our country now and slowly poisoning the left as evidenced by these asinine, self-righteous and truthfully RACIST attacks against a viable candidate that is not white and male. We are moving on in spite of those still fighting the primaries and causing dissension in our Party.

Haven't taught anything, so far. Is there more? From everything I've read, well....

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If we can't support Kamala Harris or democrats like [View all] onecaliberal Aug 2017 OP

There is no candidate I agree with 100% SHRED Aug 2017 #1

And there never will be. MineralMan Aug 2017 #10

I concur wholeheartedly. SHRED Aug 2017 #51

Beyond the Russian bots WhiteTara Aug 2017 #2

Are they still misogynistic if they support Warren? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #4

Don't know... can a person be racist and have that one Black friend? Caliman73 Aug 2017 #6

Part misogyny and part unconscious racial bias. Harris would be a great candidate brush Aug 2017 #15

I think its the opposite. mr_liberal Aug 2017 #23

Ok, that's your opinion. IMO some are opposing her for the same reasons you state. brush Aug 2017 #24

Some of those same people are saying mercuryblues Aug 2017 #76

We'll see if she runs for President WhiteTara Aug 2017 #21

This is the left blindly lashing out at centrists, not misogyny Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2017 #37

K&R mcar Aug 2017 #3

The vast majority of Democrats support Kamala. progressoid Aug 2017 #5

Russian bots are all over this. lark Aug 2017 #8

There is a small group Skidmore Aug 2017 #79

There Is A Whiff In The Air Me. Aug 2017 #123

I can't wait til this primary is over! n/t leftstreet Aug 2017 #7

Right? Holy shit people it's 2017...way too early for the circular firing squads... WoonTars Aug 2017 #85

Absolutely agree! dragonfly301 Aug 2017 #112

I'm with you 100%. Also, I'd never vote for somebody that agrees with me 100%. tonyt53 Aug 2017 #9

I have never encountered another human being with whom I agree 100% TNNurse Aug 2017 #11

I agree. We need to bring back the DLC and Third Way. That's how you win. nm mr_liberal Aug 2017 #12

Thanks for the textbook example. onecaliberal Aug 2017 #13

Im being serious. I think the best possible Democratic candidate for Pres mr_liberal Aug 2017 #17

My point is we aren't going to agree 100% with everything and everyone. onecaliberal Aug 2017 #19

Youre always going to have the left complain. It happens every election. mr_liberal Aug 2017 #26

I think people will vote for who they want to win. David__77 Aug 2017 #46

"We have to stop fighting each other and work together." +1 . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2017 #168

That was in response to 12 years of Republicans in the White House. It was grim. yallerdawg Aug 2017 #16

I don't think you grow the party by going left though. mr_liberal Aug 2017 #18

and that is a shame. Ligyron Aug 2017 #34

Bernie developed a huge following. There are a number of reasons why. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2017 #62

Agree-well stated, thanks! Tumbulu Aug 2017 #92

Thank you! I'm glad that made sense! BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2017 #101

The issue for me is not compromise itself, but compromising values. moriah Aug 2017 #174

Small things can grow. snort Aug 2017 #14

No question. I can see the Russian bots all over DU and twitter again. onecaliberal Aug 2017 #20

Thank you. The "Nothing-For-The-Best-For-The-Oppressed" bullshit. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2017 #22

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #25

I am a lifelong democrat a former elected member of my county central committee onecaliberal Aug 2017 #27

My troll meter is going off Old Vet Aug 2017 #31

MIR team's troll meter is working well, too Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #35

welcome to DU, word of advice. Calling other duers trolls is not ok uppityperson Aug 2017 #29

I disagree sir, Going down the road of name calling such as corporate dems on the first post is Old Vet Aug 2017 #39

"Is oncaliberal a troll?" johnp3907 Aug 2017 #33

In Belgium... Kogaratsu72 Aug 2017 #28

interesting. Ligyron Aug 2017 #38

Like connerie. OilemFirchen Aug 2017 #78

Personalities are the true test of orientation, not issues imposed by the era. Hortensis Aug 2017 #194

Too many on the "left" Jakes Progress Aug 2017 #30

Purity tests are not bullshit. ZX86 Aug 2017 #32

Their deeply held beliefs put trump in the White House. You can't possibly be arguing onecaliberal Aug 2017 #36

Exactly mvd Aug 2017 #43

Dear OneCali . . FairWinds Aug 2017 #40

#1 reason. She IS a Democrat. She was just an example. Everyone will have different opinions onecaliberal Aug 2017 #59

Your answer confirms my support . . FairWinds Aug 2017 #65

Lieberman was NEVER at the top of the ticket. If his state saw fit to send him to D.C. onecaliberal Aug 2017 #66

Deflection alert . . FairWinds Aug 2017 #69

I didn't say if SHE I said if you don't vote for the actual candidate (top of ticket) onecaliberal Aug 2017 #74

Isn't it good enough to support her in her work for the only office she's interested in Ninsianna Aug 2017 #150

Haven't we learned anything about having party loyalists annoint a nominee? DefenseLawyer Aug 2017 #41

Right. She is a possibility, but.. mvd Aug 2017 #44

Maybe you should read what I wrote. I said Harris or OTHER Dems like her onecaliberal Aug 2017 #61

Like her in what way? n/t DefenseLawyer Aug 2017 #67

Democrats mcar Aug 2017 #182

Yes, exactly! nt Raine Aug 2017 #153

If we can't support Bernie Sanders, we deserve to lose. David__77 Aug 2017 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author Old Vet Aug 2017 #48

I want my Democratic candidates to come from the Democratic party Progressive dog Aug 2017 #45

Bernie comes from the FDR wing . . FairWinds Aug 2017 #63

Yes indeed. OilemFirchen Aug 2017 #80

Unlike Bernie, Reagan was a Democrat The Polack MSgt Aug 2017 #81

Oh baloney, he is not a Democrat Tumbulu Aug 2017 #91

I am calling BS. GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #97

No he doesn't Progressive dog Aug 2017 #161

I've been scammed too many times by the country club democrats . . FairWinds Aug 2017 #184

I've voted for Ms Harris six times: three primaries and three general elections. Iggo Aug 2017 #47

Of course it does. Once the primary was over you voted for the ticket. That's what I'm saying. onecaliberal Aug 2017 #64

Ditto. TDale313 Aug 2017 #119

Almost everyone on this board and elsewhere is fine with giving every Democrat a chance aikoaiko Aug 2017 #49

I agree jimlup Aug 2017 #50

The purists are why we have president Trump now. hrmjustin Aug 2017 #52

beg to differ with you tiredtoo Aug 2017 #56

Who did Trump defeat by 74 electoral votes again? BeyondGeography Aug 2017 #77

The Sanders campaign proved that roody Aug 2017 #53

You do if you want those who control power and access to support you. YoungDemCA Aug 2017 #55

It most certainly did not prove that Tumbulu Aug 2017 #58

Yeah, e.g. Kamala Harris has to fight for her life in notoriously right-wing California. YoungDemCA Aug 2017 #68

California is not a cheap place to run a campaign Tumbulu Aug 2017 #90

She Does In The Senate & On Committees Me. Aug 2017 #135

I agree, it didn't prove it. It may however have opened the door for others to try the same approach JCanete Aug 2017 #155

in the end it wasn't a winning strategy. hrmjustin Aug 2017 #70

He lost. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #88

I'm out of the loop on this one. YoungDemCA Aug 2017 #54

It's about Divide-And-Conquer. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2017 #57

Harris got some positive reviews since she came to Washington marylandblue Aug 2017 #72

Thanks, I missed it as well. Tumbulu Aug 2017 #94

Don't fall for the bait, y'all... oxbow Aug 2017 #60

I hope DUers are taking notice Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #71

Check that. Good observation. onecaliberal Aug 2017 #75

Never happen. She just isn't pure enough, doncha know? leftofcool Aug 2017 #164

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #73

+1,000 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #83

Edit: I thought you quoted from the link JHan Aug 2017 #89

I find your points to be ridiculous Tumbulu Aug 2017 #96

"we must play the game"-Really? It's playtime people. 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #82

Well, voter fraud isn't a problem, voter suppression is. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #87

Voter fraud is voter purging, etc... 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #116

Voter fraud is fraud perpetuated by voters. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #125

Voter fraud is also perpetrated against voters. 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #131

No, it's not, because words have meaning. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #140

I meant electoral fraud. Yes words do matter. And so does jumping to conclusions. 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #180

Yes, I explained that the terminology was incorrect, and I agree leapuing to conclusions is Ninsianna Aug 2017 #189

I don't need a decoder ring. I just have to quote you. 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #192

Sadly that's not working too well as a tactic, since the words don't say what you Ninsianna Aug 2017 #193

No, get your terms right BainsBane Aug 2017 #160

Yes I did use voter fraud when I meant electoral fraud. 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #175

Voter suppression BainsBane Aug 2017 #178

No, I did mean electoral fraud. Feel free to look it up. 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #191

the attacks on Kamala Harris are bullshit... JHan Aug 2017 #93

Reasoned concerns are not bullshit. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #95

They are not "reasoned concerns" ... that doesn't fly... JHan Aug 2017 #98

A critique is a critique. Either address the concern or step aside. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #100

That's a cute way to misinterpret my post... JHan Aug 2017 #104

Already plenty aware of her current efforts. That doesn't erase her past... Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #105

Ah yes, beat her up on her "past" .. make her "past" forever relevant.. JHan Aug 2017 #106

If you don't address your mistakes, you're still complicit in them. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #107

I doubt you do it for every single candidate.. JHan Aug 2017 #110

I don't care if you doubt my actions. I do it for literally every candidate from the top down. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #111

I'm fine with how I assess candidates. JHan Aug 2017 #113

You basically called anyone with concerns with Harris a liar and a troll. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #114

I made clear distinctions: JHan Aug 2017 #115

You never made any distinction. You essentially said any criticism was an attack. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #117

I specifically mentioned the "NeverKamala" crowd.. JHan Aug 2017 #118

You literally attacked me in every single post. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #122

I gave you great advice just now... JHan Aug 2017 #124

I only alert egregious violations because I actually care about discussion this board. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #126

Where was this done? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #127

They literally called critics of Harris ratfuckers. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #133

Keep trying. JHan Aug 2017 #136

Omg, we are told we must "learn to recognize legitimate concerns" (#103) betsuni Aug 2017 #139

lol. Lol lol to be fair it could have been worse... JHan Aug 2017 #143

Didn't we go down this path just recently? leftofcool Aug 2017 #165

They literally did not , but if you believe they did, please Ninsianna Aug 2017 #141

How about Bernie? BainsBane Aug 2017 #166

gravity collapsed there, finally heaven05 Aug 2017 #181

A candidate for what? BainsBane Aug 2017 #137

+++++++++++ JHan Aug 2017 #138

+1000 nt brer cat Aug 2017 #157

Senators who voted for the 1994 Crime Bill surely must be suspect because of such a history betsuni Aug 2017 #144

Very transparent isn't it? JHan Aug 2017 #145

Very. betsuni Aug 2017 #146

cheers! JHan Aug 2017 #148

You haven't offered a critique BainsBane Aug 2017 #167

"her views on a plethora of issues will be hashed out and debated" melman Aug 2017 #108

Bingo. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #109

I read a thread several days ago about civil asset forfeiture ... JHan Aug 2017 #121

What issues? BainsBane Aug 2017 #162

Tolerated by whom??? heaven05 Aug 2017 #187

Indeed, however the attacks on Kamala are not reasoned, they are however Ninsianna Aug 2017 #128

I'm not attacking Harris. I'm critical of her actions. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #134

And which actions might those be? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #142

I wanted to ask these question as well. Futile as it is. betsuni Aug 2017 #149

This is getting repetitive. They really need a better gameplan, but I guess they Ninsianna Aug 2017 #151

Which you have said absolutely nothing about. BainsBane Aug 2017 #163

Just some general shit about her past or something.. JHan Aug 2017 #173

There it is. OilemFirchen Aug 2017 #170

What actions? mcar Aug 2017 #183

When did she declare her candidacy? Did I miss that? George II Aug 2017 #129

A candidate for what? JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #158

straw argument, no politician is "unsullied", period heaven05 Aug 2017 #179

What specific "ratfucking" are you talking about? 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #120

It's a ruse, because Kamala has not announced a run JHan Aug 2017 #130

Kamala can unite the Hillary and Bernie crowds! MoonRiver Aug 2017 #84

I support Kamala Harris yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #86

I love her and attacking her is quite obviously the right wing hate media Tumbulu Aug 2017 #99

Conversely, there will be no party unity unless you learn to recognize legitimate concerns. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #103

Only purists and/or trolls would say KH doesn't deserve their vote. Lil Missy Aug 2017 #102

is Harris a "corporate" Dem? as in, one who can raise lots of cash? RussBLib Aug 2017 #132

To be honest, I haven't seen too many direct attacks on her but a lot of folks are just curious why Quixote1818 Aug 2017 #147

I'm not committing my vote to anyone until I see all the Raine Aug 2017 #152

"until citizens united is overturned we must play the game." You think playing by those rules JCanete Aug 2017 #154

She's not a candidate BainsBane Aug 2017 #169

But never winning again will fix everything, right.. onecaliberal Aug 2017 #172

I think our "pragmatism" has gotten us here, which frankly makes it not that pragmatic. JCanete Aug 2017 #185

We are completely and totally fucked now. We don't even know if our votes counted. onecaliberal Aug 2017 #186

that is quite possible, but if that is true, playing the game as it is rigged is certainly not doing JCanete Aug 2017 #188

Neither is voting third party or staying home. Those two options are losers for sure. onecaliberal Aug 2017 #190

It has nothing to do with purity BainsBane Aug 2017 #156

Yes. This, exactly. n/t GoCubsGo Aug 2017 #171

Let's focus on 2018 and yes, there should not be purity tests. LBM20 Aug 2017 #159

Never underestimate the generosity of Turbineguy Aug 2017 #176

This is Just More Misogyny dlk Aug 2017 #177