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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
5. I think you need to focus on both together
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 11:59 AM
Aug 2017

Consider the Trump voters, who put aside "people" issues (pussy grabbing, bankruptcies, and general unsavory behavior and background) to vote for his "promises" (border walls, repealing Obamacare, immigration curtailment, tax breaks, eradicating terrorism, etc.). They truly believed in these causes, offensive as they are to us, but didn't consider whether the candidate was the kind of person who could actually achieve them. He isn't.

I always look at character in conjunction with policy. Is the candidate, first of all, intelligent, upstanding, and dedicated? Do they have a presidential temperament and relevant experience and people skills? Has this person shown an ability to effect real legislation in the past? Are they good at administration, delegation, and negotiating? And then ... are their policies remotely achievable, or just lures for getting votes? You know, I'm all for world peace and income equality and a chicken in every pot, but those are pretty vague and overly ambitious ideals, absent the concrete and specific intermediary steps toward such goals.

I'm looking for sound policy goals (meaning well studied and thought out) in conjunction with the strategic and people skills to achieve them. Without the people part, the policies are empty promises.

Indeed, I always look to a candidate's character and demeanor first, before I consider policy (given that in most cases, Democratic candidates' policies are not all that far apart). If I can't abide the character, it's a hard stretch for me.

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Issues not individuals democrank Aug 2017 #1
If Candidates A, B, and C... yallerdawg Aug 2017 #2
I'm not sure what you're saying yallerdawg Cary Aug 2017 #4
I'm saying when we bash Democratic candidates... yallerdawg Aug 2017 #9
+1000 Let's talk issues at this point in the 2018/2020... LongTomH Aug 2017 #3
I think you need to focus on both together frazzled Aug 2017 #5
I haven't noticed #fakepresident supporters to be that coherent Cary Aug 2017 #6
Fine, take examples from our own side (even though I think you're wrong) frazzled Aug 2017 #8
No. Igel Aug 2017 #24
There are two separate issues. Cary Aug 2017 #32
As said, one would focus on both. Kaleva Aug 2017 #7
Nothing Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #10
Didn't you just post a thread saying "these people are awesome!" Did you mention any policies? JCanete Aug 2017 #11
I did. Cary Aug 2017 #12
Actually, I don't believe a revolution is likely. I believe that if you get enough people demanding JCanete Aug 2017 #17
As the saying goes - "you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar". George II Aug 2017 #19
I commend you for trying to understand Cary Aug 2017 #21
Since you pointed it out I went and listened to that whole segment on Joy. I disagreed with them. JCanete Aug 2017 #26
What if I don't give a rat's ass about the "Bernie" camp, Cary Aug 2017 #27
I already said that was the candidate's choice to ignore it. What are you adding to the discourse JCanete Aug 2017 #28
You just changed the subject to me, personally Cary Aug 2017 #31
you changed the subject to you. You said, "what if I don't give a rat's ass.." JCanete Aug 2017 #33
Not interested Cary Aug 2017 #34
not interested in what part? anything we were talking about? Whatever, good luck to you. nt JCanete Aug 2017 #35
I know schmegegge when I see it. Cary Aug 2017 #37
This is basically what Cary says HarmonyRockets Aug 2017 #40
not the first time for Cary to go to the "boring" well either. JCanete Aug 2017 #41
So Angry? Cary Aug 2017 #42
I would disagree that it means you lost the argument, but it's a poor way of disengaging from it, in JCanete Aug 2017 #45
Sure thing, J Cary Aug 2017 #46
Did it ever occur to you HarmonyRockets Aug 2017 #29
So you think that the radical left, barfing back Bannon's "Clinton Cash" actually helped improve? Cary Aug 2017 #30
If people had actually listened HarmonyRockets Aug 2017 #36
Boring Cary Aug 2017 #38
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #39
Best explanation of pushing for change from the left. Beartracks Aug 2017 #43
Two different OPs, two different trains of thought. Nothing wrong with that. George II Aug 2017 #13
That's fair. I was wondering how he reconciled them is all. nt JCanete Aug 2017 #18
I gave you my best answer Cary Aug 2017 #22
Realistic policies for me. Not pie-in-the-sky empty promises. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #14
That's so important Cary Aug 2017 #23
Party loyalty matters to me as well. I support Democrats only. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #15
In practice, the policy follows the personality Orrex Aug 2017 #16
Because flawed people enact policies. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #20
It's what we should do. K&R. ck4829 Aug 2017 #25
Some people don't deserve consideration regardless of policy. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #44
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