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JoeStuckInOH

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60. No. Ohio and the other "Rustbelt" states voted for Trump becuase of manufacturing and immigration.

Mon Aug 7, 2017, 03:37 PM

Aug 2017

Easy to see why racist trump won the south. But I don't buy the racist angle as a majority reason he took Midwest and Appalachian states north of the Mason-Dixon Line.

Good jobs are hard to come by in a lot of the Rust-Belt and coal states. Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia and Pennsylvania have been in consistent decline and the primary reason is quite literally loss of heavy industry and manufacturing to foreign places. Enough of Urban Chicago is still strong enough to keep Illinois blue, but know that if Chicago were in a similar conditions of Detroit/Cleveland/Youngstown/Pittsburgh... Illinois would be red too.

Trump gave a lot of lip service to not only stopping companies from leaving... but bringing American companies back. Not only that but his punitive stance against immigrants likely struck a chord of retribution among rust-belt disenfranchised workers.

IMO, from a lifelong Ohioan... it was 95%+ the "losing jobs and illegal immigrants taking jobs" angle.

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As a person that lives in Ohio in a formally blue area this is why [View all] doc03 Aug 2017 OP

ok, then let's play this DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #1

Were #fakepresident voters racists before BLM? Cary Aug 2017 #2

BLM didn't make them racists. Fox News and Russian propaganda is stirring up the racist pot. pnwmom Aug 2017 #8

I agree 100% with that. I am just saying talk to doc03 Aug 2017 #14

This is the same way Nixon won SCantiGOP Aug 2017 #41

So they're racists??? atreides1 Aug 2017 #53

Ding ding ding!!!! We have a winner!! Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #28

you are right. They don't like black people asking for human rights. demigoddess Aug 2017 #54

Like I said not arguing about the merits of either side. The last doc03 Aug 2017 #10

I've talked with people like this, the focus is on the group not the color Amishman Aug 2017 #59

Badge-sniffing is part of the cultural conservatism that Republicans rely upon geek tragedy Aug 2017 #3

We viote Cary Aug 2017 #15

It's a Sad Commentary on America-but I Think You are 100% Correct Stallion Aug 2017 #4

Um... tonedevil Aug 2017 #34

I agree but they were already racist JI7 Aug 2017 #5

Nixon did this in 1968 LeftInTX Aug 2017 #6

I see it differently Bettie Aug 2017 #7

That's exactly what I was getting at in my post nt doc03 Aug 2017 #16

OK. Guess we were Bettie Aug 2017 #21

I am surprised you did notice their true selves earlier. Blue_true Aug 2017 #23

I knew my brothers and in-laws Bettie Aug 2017 #36

Your brothers and I laws are hard to avoid. Blue_true Aug 2017 #40

I miss living within striking distance of a large city Bettie Aug 2017 #42

Yeah, they gave Obama a chance, like 2 weeks. Blue_true Aug 2017 #63

Common decency is really what they mean when they speak of "political correctness." Garrett78 Aug 2017 #22

Yep. Blue_true Aug 2017 #24

Correct. Dawson Leery Aug 2017 #30

This is why I refer to them as "idiot racist fuckheads" Orrex Aug 2017 #44

I'm related Bettie Aug 2017 #46

In that regard (and many others) I married well, but... Orrex Aug 2017 #47

So no protests for anyone ever again and then democrats will win. BLM is still very active not gone lunasun Aug 2017 #9

I Don't Think That's What The OP Was Saying ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #37

I've seen 'blue lives matter' outnumbering BLM by a long shot crazycatlady Aug 2017 #11

Normally if you look they have some other rightwing sticker on their vehicle. Blue_true Aug 2017 #25

I've actually seen more as flags than stickers crazycatlady Aug 2017 #38

I feel that those flags are disrespectful Trekologer Aug 2017 #45

I think you've got a point. Shrike47 Aug 2017 #12

Ladders of the Mind. Submit to those above, kick those below delisen Aug 2017 #13

Just run this experiment. Find you a guy with a "Make America Great Again" doc03 Aug 2017 #17

Racism is the single most important factor in Republican success. Garrett78 Aug 2017 #18

True demosincebirth Aug 2017 #32

It's no secret that no Democratic Presidential candidate has won the white vote since 1964. HughBeaumont Aug 2017 #49

Totally agree workinclasszero Aug 2017 #52

I also live in Ohio, my county and surrounding counties were 75% Trumpsters and every letter to the blueinredohio Aug 2017 #19

Exactly, I've read about this so many times from every source in Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylv MiddleClass Aug 2017 #20

"Banished"? How? CakeGrrl Aug 2017 #27

Yes they still live in the US, they live in their homes and neighborhoods. And now those states vote MiddleClass Aug 2017 #48

While I agree that we have paid less attention to.. mvd Aug 2017 #55

Yes it is very, Bernie tapped into that, but that started the wedge, the whole fiasco that summer MiddleClass Aug 2017 #61

They weren't banished bdjhawk Aug 2017 #35

That's your opinion, which is fine, but it's their opinion that matters MiddleClass Aug 2017 #50

Please explain to me how "Hillary's Party" didn't make them feel welcome? Coventina Aug 2017 #43

Certainly, during election, Hillary's campaign paints Don the Con as unacceptable MiddleClass Aug 2017 #56

Doesn't sound like Hillary made them unwelcome. Coventina Aug 2017 #58

Exactly, unfortunately the vitriol which was understandably over the top drove a wedge MiddleClass Aug 2017 #62

A lot of these people have cops in the family MiddleClass Aug 2017 #26

Do you perhaps mean "formerly" blue area, not "formally" blue area? PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #29

I think you are right and many of us seem unable to admit it to ourselves that what you posted is demosincebirth Aug 2017 #31

Another Ohioan here.... Colin Kaepernick's protests during the National Anthem.. farmbo Aug 2017 #33

When times are relatively good, people allow racism and other crap steer their vote Johonny Aug 2017 #39

Hence another example of this country's problem with white monoculture MrScorpio Aug 2017 #51

I do think BLM is an under-mentioned factor underpants Aug 2017 #57

No. Ohio and the other "Rustbelt" states voted for Trump becuase of manufacturing and immigration. JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #60