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Warren DeMontague

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138. Right, I mentioned the Jaime/Cersei thing.

Mon Aug 7, 2017, 06:31 PM

Aug 2017

I think the 1st book was the only one I didn't actually read cover to cover, I'll take your word for it.

Again, I do think it's interesting that no one seemed to even notice the scene 2 episodes ago that was a direct mirror/callback to the Jaime/Cersei scene- this time he says "no" and she keeps going.

Of course, we're past the books now so "not in the books" is moot.

I can't speak to the Drogo/Danerys one, but like I said in the subthread, I think the J/C scenes are intended to reiterate that these are two really fucked up, conflicted people with a (clearly) fucked up relationship that nevertheless is still a core motivator for their character's respective fucked up actions in the story. I didn't get the feeling they were presented to titillate.

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WHY HBOS CONFEDERATE IS A BAD IDEA [View all] HAB911 Aug 2017 OP

Don't judge a book by it's cover. That said, I love the angst over this Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #1

Yep, I remember the Look magazine story long ago HAB911 Aug 2017 #3

So then, why not do an alternate history where the white people are the slaves frazzled Aug 2017 #4

We've had that done in literature Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #5

No, they are always adolescent fantasies in which frazzled Aug 2017 #10

Wow, look at the size of that broad brush you're waving around Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #11

Watching Game of Thrones is EXACTLY LIKE Voting For Donald Trump!!!! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #110

it's the most popular show on the planet right now, isn't it? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #74

And Donald J Trump is President of the United States of America frazzled Aug 2017 #108

Ah. logic for people who don't understand how logic works. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #109

It's implausible LittleBlue Aug 2017 #7

"It would veer so far into fantasy people wouldn't watch" BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #13

GOT fits its world LittleBlue Aug 2017 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #53

Right BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #106

Only if you cannot imagine a world in which frazzled Aug 2017 #16

I disagree LittleBlue Aug 2017 #36

But her dragons are plausible? What? bettyellen Aug 2017 #22

GOT isn't an alt history LittleBlue Aug 2017 #35

Here's the exercise to take Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #39

So aliens landing is also plausible? LOL. The lengths people go to.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #43

Betty, you're missing the point of what I'm trying to say. Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #44

Any crazy implausible thing, by your standard is a viable "pivot point".... bettyellen Aug 2017 #46

Dragons and aliens are far-end examples Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #47

I don't think it would be hard to do something similar to High Castle.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #52

You're right about that, the defeated South Mariana Aug 2017 #76

Thanks! I see the dude who challenged me has bolted from the convo... bettyellen Aug 2017 #77

If we are looking for white slaves one only need glance at history. Ligyron Aug 2017 #51

Already written by rusty fender Aug 2017 #129

It would also seem to have ignored mechanization Warpy Aug 2017 #78

Read "White Lotus" by John Hersey Fozzledick Aug 2017 #17

Wonderful book. n/t librechik Aug 2017 #30

all this talk of "white slaves" is BULLSHIT. heaven05 Aug 2017 #57

That's why American slavery was called the Solomon Aug 2017 #134

SO TRUE heaven05 Aug 2017 #135

Doesn't have to be an alternate - the Barbary states had that exact situation. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #19

My thought exactly. Make white people the slaves. Entertain yourself with that pain. nt chimpymustgo Aug 2017 #20

I remember reading an alternate history where Native Americans had held back European invaders... hunter Aug 2017 #68

Excellent point! Snackshack Aug 2017 #107

Tangential to that, ever hear of "White Man's Burden?" misanthrope Aug 2017 #115

I think there may be just that in the works too.. PoorMonger Aug 2017 #127

Good points. Behind the Aegis Aug 2017 #29

I was getting bored with The Man In The High Castle as alternate history. Iggo Aug 2017 #41

The main point of "The Man in the High Castle" is that authoritarian Nazi ideology... hunter Aug 2017 #82

I'm a Game of Thrones fan, TDale313 Aug 2017 #2

For reference, a wiki list of various alternate history properties Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #6

Pax Romana got so close to being made Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #8

You know, a mockumentary on this same subject has already been done. Paladin Aug 2017 #9

So should Man in the High Castle not be made as well? BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #12

I'm not against it, post for discussion HAB911 Aug 2017 #14

Look for it on Amazon. Fantastic series! librechik Aug 2017 #31

How many Confederate Generals were hung at Nuremburg? leftstreet Aug 2017 #32

Doesn't really matter BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #55

It's a story. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #80

Yes of course. I just think it's a shit idea leftstreet Aug 2017 #113

By my reckoning the South has risen again misanthrope Aug 2017 #116

Yes, in Germany it's an aweful idea YCHDT Aug 2017 #33

I'm sure opinions are varied on it Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #40

The world is not Germany BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #54

Hell, white Southerners (like me) are the ones likely to be demonized by this show ... dawg Aug 2017 #15

Well demonized is a hell of a lot better than debased, tortured and dehumanized, so there's that... bettyellen Aug 2017 #24

This is fair, but what about historic films? What about the handmaid's tale? Who do those JCanete Aug 2017 #48

I remember the Handmaids Tale as a reaction to the radical evangelical right gaining power.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #58

IT IS BEING MADE BY BLACK FILMMAKERS Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #61

They are NOT the creative leads, it's not their baby. Sorry the Spellmans bettyellen Aug 2017 #64

I understand the reservations. I would hope that the show-runners consult heavily with the writers, JCanete Aug 2017 #63

It's fiction. Like "The Satanic Verses". Does this mean a FATWA against HBO in next? n/t Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #18

Are you likening black critics or liberals to extremist fundamentalists? HA shit is crazy bettyellen Aug 2017 #45

You think this is going to make the south look good? Cosmocat Aug 2017 #21

I have come to the conclusion that some stories that are written aren't necessarily true DefenseLawyer Aug 2017 #23

A more accurate script would have the Confederacy ... GeorgeGist Aug 2017 #25

That's a good point. Does it manage to thrive in this one? nt JCanete Aug 2017 #49

That was the very first thing I thought misanthrope Aug 2017 #117

So the entertainment industry wants to do their part and join the MSM in the effort to legitimize still_one Aug 2017 #26

what? come on. There are criticisms to have, but do you know anything about this project? How does JCanete Aug 2017 #50

The speculation isn't that far from Ron Paul's view that the Civil War was unnecessary, and still_one Aug 2017 #59

The train of thought on slavery's longevity misanthrope Aug 2017 #119

Then we are much on the same page. The immorality of it, along with the sufferring that still_one Aug 2017 #120

We have proof the immorality would have continued. misanthrope Aug 2017 #128

excellent analysis still_one Aug 2017 #132

HBO? Seriously? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #73

HBO is a money making enterprise period. CNN, Time Warner, AT&T still_one Aug 2017 #93

It is worth noting, though, that the Scientologists do have it in for HBO bigtime, now. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #97

That is cool, and you and others enjoy it, and that is really all that counts still_one Aug 2017 #99

Here's what I would humbly suggest; that people reserve judgment until the thing is actually aired. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #101

Sure still_one Aug 2017 #112

But I want to be mad NOW! Dr. Strange Aug 2017 #118

Some of their documentaries are outstanding. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #126

Thank you for posting this TNC piece aikoaiko Aug 2017 #27

AlternateHistoryHub is a Channel on YouTube Leith Aug 2017 #28

There have been plenty of alternate histories written. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #37

Let's also keep in mind who is actually working on this project Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #38

The "two white dudes" ARE the creative force and show runners behind the project.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #60

Sorry, I'll just stop responding to you from here on out Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #62

Like it or not, the two mains on this are calling the shots. And from GOT I don't bettyellen Aug 2017 #66

Harry Turtledove has done several different series focused on the same ideas Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #42

I can't see heaven05 Aug 2017 #56

Well, at least the people trying to get Game of Thrones censored seem to have kinda given up. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #65

I thought it was rape rape rapes added to the narrative that pissed people off? bettyellen Aug 2017 #67

I thought it was the full frontal nudity, actually. Some people lose it over that. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #69

Nope,it was mostly they added a few rapes that weren't in the books. bettyellen Aug 2017 #71

Which ones? I've read the books. They've deviated quite a bit from the material Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #72

I don't remember the names, but you know how readers get attached to their characters.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #75

I'm not outraged about either, actually. Like I said, it's a rather brutal story. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #79

I know it's fiction (that I'm not invested in) but that "no" does mean it was rape... bettyellen Aug 2017 #81

No, I don't have any confusion. I'm just pointing out that there wasn't a peep over the rape in the Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #83

That's a very love it or leave it attitude toward criticism, I think.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #84

I don't, actually, think the complaints are mainly coming from devoted fans of the books. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #86

I've not seen half of it, but it appears rape is more common than consensual sex .... bettyellen Aug 2017 #88

So you haven't really been following it, then. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #89

You've once been reading different criticism than I. It was totally the amount of rapes bettyellen Aug 2017 #90

You mean aside from the Theon "dick in a box" scene, I assume Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #91

I love that song! But I did the research you suggested and yeah - there's a big lack of penii on bettyellen Aug 2017 #94

Hey, I'm all for it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #96

You have no idea how much female fans would love to see NCW bettyellen Aug 2017 #100

They're both fine looking gents, agreed. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #102

Aside from Tyrion and Oberon I can't think of other sex....But they kept him pretty covered up. bettyellen Aug 2017 #103

Sex North of the Wall, lol. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #104

I just caught the last one and holy shit, I've met really liked battle scenes before this show but.. bettyellen Aug 2017 #121

LALALALALALALALAAAAAA IM NOT LISTENING LALALALALALALAAAAAAAA Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #122

Yeah, I read LOTR in HS and while the movies were pretty, it also bored me.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #125

Holy Shit. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #133

Told you so! GOT lured me in with battle scenes which is funny because they're not usually my thing. bettyellen Aug 2017 #136

That's a good question. I wondered the same thing. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #139

Sansa reminds me of Jan Brady- jealous of her siblings because they're all really exceptional and bettyellen Aug 2017 #140

OK NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #137

Right, I mentioned the Jaime/Cersei thing. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #138

I don't think that's really accurate cemaphonic Aug 2017 #130

I don't think it was that they were "gruesome" as much as gratuitous? bettyellen Aug 2017 #131

Hey... I'm sure all the controversy around the show will depress the veiwership numbers Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #70

What if Columbus' ships sunk with all hands ? rickford66 Aug 2017 #85

What if John Lennon was in Nickelback, instead of the Beatles? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #87

My humble suggestion would be for folks to wait and see. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #92

Until it airs brettdale Aug 2017 #95

The article is good at outlining why It's a bad idea ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #98

It's on HBO and it's being produced by Benioff and Weiss Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #111

Meanwhile, Whitehead's The Underground Railroad Retrograde Aug 2017 #105

Wonderful book.. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #124

This is a bad idea and IMHO doomed to quick and messy failure. mikehiggins Aug 2017 #114

Given the discussions this show has already caused NobodyHere Aug 2017 #123