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62. Here is the response from Kartina vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 12:55 PM
Aug 2017

She asked that I include the editorial that follows, so I do this not only with permission, but by request. Letters to her as editor of the Nation are read, and will be taken seriously. Katrina is a friend I hold in high regard, but her IQ is sufficiently high to leave mine trailing in the dust, so I feel no need to rise to her defense. She and I disagree on some things, agree on others, and it has not once been cause for any kind of personal rift.

Katrina is not a member of DU (yet, anyway!), so she has sent her response to the OP and other posts to me, and I am reposting here.

To DU form Katrina vanden Heuvel:

Friends in the Democratic Underground, I have long valued you as the vox populi of the democratic Left. In that spirit, let me be clear about The Nation and its stance on Russia. For my own take, see my recently published/ posted editorial. What is vital that you understand that at its best, The Nation, and now thenation.com, is a forum for a range of views on the progressive, democratic left. That is the case on a welter of issues, not just Russia —But on RussiaGate, our pages and pixels have reflected that range, see Robert Dreyfuss on Trump and Russia or Joan Walsh on the ongoing and needed Congressional investigations or Katha Pollitt on Neo-McCarthyism.

I have my own views on US-Russian relations—spent more than three decades reporting from Moscow, working with feminists, independent media, and witnessing the deleterious impact of Cold War on progressive values. I understand Putin is an authoritarian leader—but as I write below, we still confront an existential nuclear threat. Can we walk and chew gum at the same time? I saw references to Stephen Cohen ( my predecessor as Editor and Publisher, Victor Navasky, brought Steve into The Nation as a columnist and contributor more than 4 decades ago)—Yes, he is my husband and I value his contributions as a historian, scholar, observer of US-Russian relations, but why in these modern times does it seem that too often a wife get treated as an adjunct to her spouse’s views?

What is essential in these times is that we not sleepwalk into a new and more dangerous Cold War, and that we as the collective-yet-diverse voice of the democratic Left ensure there is robust debate, airing of a full range of views; no stigmatizing, suppressing of views we don’t agree with. Shouldn’t we show our resilience as strong democrats —in order to strengthen our already beleaguered democracy?






[Here is the text of the editorial:]

> Realism on Russia


> We must investigate claims of Russian interference in the election, while also de-escalating a dangerous crisis.
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> The revelation that Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer promising derogatory information on Hillary Clinton reaffirms the need for a full accounting of how our democracy may have been subverted in the 2016 election. Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into the claims of Russian interference in the election, of collusion with the Trump campaign, and the possibility of criminal malfeasance by President Trump or his associates is essential, and it must be allowed to reach its own conclusions without interference from the White House. Beyond protecting this existing investigation, Democrats should seek an independent commission to lay out steps for protecting the integrity of future elections.
>
> None of this should be controversial. At the same time, there is another set of facts that needs to be reckoned with in this precarious moment—facts concerning the abject failure of US policies toward Russia and the dangerous path down which our two countries are currently headed. These facts also concern real and present threats and cannot be ignored. Indeed, the crisis we are now facing makes clear that it’s time to fundamentally rethink how we approach our relationship with Russia.
>
> As US-Russian relations have deteriorated, the risk of a nuclear catastrophe—including the danger posed by a nuclear-armed North Korea—has risen to its highest level since the end of the Cold War. The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists now rates the danger higher than when the Soviet Union tested its first nuclear device, in 1949. The new Cold War is punctuated by perilous military face-offs in three arenas: in Syria, in the skies over the Baltic Sea; on Russia’s western border, with 300,000 NATO troops on high alert and both Russia and NATO ramping up deployments and exercises; and in Ukraine. Between them, the United States and Russia possess nearly 14,000 nuclear weapons—more than 90 percent of the world’s nuclear arsenal—and keep almost 2,000 of them on hair-trigger alert. So the extreme danger of nuclear war can only be reduced through cooperation between our two countries.
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> At the same time, the era of cyberwarfare has arrived without any of the agreed-upon rules that govern traditional war or, for that matter, nuclear deterrence. There is now a rising threat of hackers breaching not only e-mails and elections but also power grids, strategic warning systems, and command-and-control centers. For years, there has been discussion of the need to establish clear rules of the road for cyberwarfare. Now, reports of escalating interference make it imperative that cyberweapons, like conventional, chemical, and nuclear arms, ought to be controlled by means of a binding, verifiable treaty. Again, however, this cannot happen without a more constructive US-Russia relationship.
> RELATED ARTICLE
> The Nation
> NOW IS THE TIME FOR TRUMP AND PUTIN TO NEGOTIATE, NOT ESCALATE TENSIONS
> Katrina vanden Heuvel
>
> Given these significant threats, the escalation of tensions with Russia serves neither the national interest nor our national security. Expanding sanctions will only drive a wedge between the United States and the European Union, spur Russia to take retaliatory measures, and make it more difficult to negotiate. This moment calls for diplomacy and dialogue, not moral posturing and triumphalism.
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> Needless to say, rebuilding a working détente with Russia won’t be easy. It will take skill and persistence. Russian President Vladimir Putin heads an authoritarian government that tramples on basic rights. Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014 was a violation of international law, and Putin has responded to US and NATO deployments on Russia’s borders by reinforcing his country’s own forces, including more nuclear-capable missiles, thereby increasing the risk of accident, miscalculation, and escalation. Meanwhile, President Trump has demonstrated that he has neither the temperament nor the advisers to sustain a coherent policy initiative. It is hard to see how we get from here to there, but we come to negotiations with the governments we have, not the ones we wish we had. There is simply no other choice.
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> For Democrats whose understandable desire to resist Trump has helped fuel the anti-Russia fixation, there is also another reality to consider. Focusing on Trump’s ties to Russia alone will not win the crucial 2018 midterm elections, nor will it win meaningful victories on issues like health care, climate change, and inequality that affect all of our lives. Moreover, cold wars are lousy for progressivism: They strengthen war parties, fatten defense budgets, and deplete funds that could be put to better use rebuilding infrastructure and expanding social programs. They empower the worst forces in politics and close off space for dissent. This is as true in the United States as it is in Russia. In its 152 years, The Nation has witnessed how war fever is used to trample rights here at home. And, having worked with Russian dissidents, journalists, and feminist NGOs for three decades, I have seen personally how a cold war can be used to suppress independent voices in that country.
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> The bottom line is that opposition to Trump cannot become the same as opposition to common sense. Common sense dictates that we protect our own democracy by strengthening our election systems to counter outside interference. It dictates an independent investigation into claims of Russian meddling in the presidential campaign. But it also tells us that we cannot address many of our most urgent challenges—from Syria, to climate change, to nuclear proliferation and cyberwar—without the United States and Russia finding ways to work together when it serves our mutual interests. We do not have to embrace the Russian government to work on vital interests with it. And we cannot afford a revival of Cold War passions that would discredit those seeking to de-escalate tensions. Efforts to curtail debate could be a disservice to our country’s security.
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> As editor of The Nation, a magazine with a long history of adopting alternative views and unpopular stances, especially on matters of war and peace, I believe it’s important to challenge the conventional wisdom; to foster, not police, debate; and to oppose the forces that vilify those advocating and pursuing better relations. Also, while it may not be popular to insist that both the United States and Russia have serious interests in maintaining a working relationship, it also isn’t radical. It is simply sober realism.

The Nation editorial staff has quite a bit of overlap with pro-Putin think tanks like geek tragedy Aug 2017 #1
What articles have you been reading there to come up with your post heading? Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #2
In the issue I received in the mail today: Coventina Aug 2017 #3
+1 Me. Aug 2017 #4
I got a completely opposite perspective on the Realism on Russia opinion piece... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #5
+1 leftstreet Aug 2017 #7
What were proposed solutions? Adrahil Aug 2017 #11
Duplicitous at best, we must work with Russia on solutions on how to punish Russia?! WTF ?! uponit7771 Aug 2017 #30
LOL..."diplomatic solutions" Maven Aug 2017 #76
Her husband is a Russophile/Putinite BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #8
His infllunce is the reason I don't read the Nation anymore and also (I think) why Katrina V isn't hlthe2b Aug 2017 #10
You might be on to something. BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #12
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #20
Same. Bonx Aug 2017 #6
I've always liked Katrina V., but her husband is a Russiophile and Putin apologist It pains me. hlthe2b Aug 2017 #9
Their Putin humping is completely unbelievable alcibiades_mystery Aug 2017 #13
Here is a quote from the article... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #16
But then she turns around and says we shouldn't impose sanctions or Coventina Aug 2017 #18
Yes, level headed smart deeper thinkers know that lashing out is not the best way... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #21
So you disagree with the action Obama took? He was "lashing out"? Coventina Aug 2017 #23
"I find it disturbing that you are apologizing for Putin" - WHAT A BUNCH OF BULL... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #24
I was asking because Obama put sanctions on Russia because Putin Coventina Aug 2017 #25
Do you know what nuance is? Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #28
OK, so you agree that the sanctions were good. Coventina Aug 2017 #31
Again nuance... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #34
Obama also imposed sanctions. Coventina Aug 2017 #38
What sanctions did Obama 'also' imposed? Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #42
CNN link here: Coventina Aug 2017 #45
Yes, that's what I have been talking about... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #46
What? I'm asking you if you agree with the sanctions or not. Coventina Aug 2017 #47
Even if we left it unsafe doesn't mean "we left the door open" for him ... what the?! Come on uponit7771 Aug 2017 #33
"we left the door open" for him" - really? Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #39
so that means its OK for them to take their illegal actions in regards to our elections?!?! Trying uponit7771 Aug 2017 #41
You are welcome... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #43
How are the sanctions "lashing out" ... thx in advance uponit7771 Aug 2017 #32
I suggest reading newspapers... your answers are there... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #36
The Russian ones is where I saw the sanctions were lashing out, could you point to an American ... uponit7771 Aug 2017 #37
I'd avoid any substantive answers also LanternWaste Aug 2017 #56
Sometimes, no answer is good enough when the person has an agenda... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #58
+1 bluepen Aug 2017 #68
If you do a search for Russia sanctions lapucelle Aug 2017 #53
A bit of victim blaming there no? TeamPooka Aug 2017 #66
No... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #67
Putin denies the allegations with a shit-eating grin on his face. Adrahil Aug 2017 #92
Except she also says we should suck up to Russia and pretend it never happened geek tragedy Aug 2017 #19
Nope, she did not say that... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #22
She recommends we unilaterally pursue better geek tragedy Aug 2017 #52
You won't get a straight answer. Coventina Aug 2017 #55
I lasted 6 months bluedye33139 Aug 2017 #14
Did you read Katha Pollitt's article on abortion rights in the last issue? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #15
Kathy Politt is the one bright spot left. Coventina Aug 2017 #17
I agree TEB Aug 2017 #26
I already made that choice...Kind of feel like I was scammed... FarPoint Aug 2017 #27
It's really a shame. Coventina Aug 2017 #29
The Nation has such an illustrious history. LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #50
Exactly... FarPoint Aug 2017 #54
I did, long ago. Duppers Aug 2017 #35
I started subscribing in 2011 Coventina Aug 2017 #40
You definitely are. Duppers Aug 2017 #48
Good Lord! Thank you for that! Appalling! Coventina Aug 2017 #49
They jumped the shark BainsBane Aug 2017 #44
You are not the only one I have heard that from. Me?i think I have read one copy in my life lunasun Aug 2017 #51
Putin is desperate to get the sanctions lifted. It's worth billions to him. yardwork Aug 2017 #57
Bill Browder said Putin gets half of whatever Gabi Hayes Aug 2017 #64
I took the liberty of passing this whole thread on to Katrina. DFW Aug 2017 #59
That should be an interesting response! Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #60
I promise I will read it with an open mind. Coventina Aug 2017 #61
I'm sure that is all she ever expects. DFW Aug 2017 #63
Here is the response from Kartina vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation DFW Aug 2017 #62
First, please convey my heartfelt thanks to Ms. vanden Heuvel for taking the time Coventina Aug 2017 #65
I can confirm that her schedule is, as you so aptly put it, "incredibly packed." DFW Aug 2017 #70
So cool!!! Coventina Aug 2017 #71
I pale in the company of some impressive friends DFW Aug 2017 #72
Haha! And humble as well! Coventina Aug 2017 #74
Bringing a smile DFW Aug 2017 #77
How does she explian publishing the work of Seth Rich troofers? Adenoid_Hynkel Aug 2017 #78
I have no clue who Seth Rich is DFW Aug 2017 #79
FOX-style questions? Adenoid_Hynkel Aug 2017 #80
Not good enough BainsBane Aug 2017 #83
why would we treat her as adjunct to her Putin-fluffing hubby's views? geek tragedy Aug 2017 #85
Thank you for your efforts, DFW... countryjake Aug 2017 #87
Thank You for posting this..... Thank Katrina as well :) Kathy M Aug 2017 #88
The right wing wrap themselves in the flag and and salute when they want to bamboozle people MiddleClass Aug 2017 #90
Thanks underpants Aug 2017 #91
I canceled mine when they put an ad for O'Reilly on the back cover Generic Other Aug 2017 #69
Well, I'm quite thrilled about the return of McCarthyism! Kurovski Aug 2017 #73
Two-tone wing tips never went away!! Coventina Aug 2017 #75
Is that what Robert Mueller's investigation is about Duppers Aug 2017 #81
Jeez, I thought the "It's so McCarthyist" talking point was retired in early June alcibiades_mystery Aug 2017 #84
Remember, Russia plays the long game. Katrina and hubby long-time Russian bots? haveahart Aug 2017 #82
she is 100% in the tank for Putin, was so explicitly when Obama was President geek tragedy Aug 2017 #86
I stopped reading that rag years ago. n/t Downtown Hound Aug 2017 #89
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