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MuseRider

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378. I listen occasionally

Thu Aug 10, 2017, 04:39 PM

Aug 2017

and would probably listen more if I could. I enjoy his shows, I think of him as a liberal like me. I do not always agree with him but I still find a lot of value when I listen. It is always good to hear all points of the spectrum and he leans heavily left as I do. I also listen to TYT from time to time. I have never really cared much for them but have grown to value their take on things from time to time as well.

This crazy need to all be on the same page limits us terribly. I don't understand why we cannot all support various angles of all liberal values. Listening to other sides is not a bad thing, it is a good thing. Nobody ever said you have to agree but there are points to be made to shape our thoughts as a whole.

I found this site to be so helpful in the early days and am leaning away from it more and more as the need to be exactly alike is overwhelming serious intellectual and important discussion. When one simple mention of something you question about someone gets you labeled a racist or a misogynist or a Russian etc. then the actual helpfulness of this site is gone. **I say this knowing full well there are racists etc among us but saying you do not like someone is not ever the same as being one of those groups.

Herding cats? Why even try? Why can't all cats represent a part of the whole rather than herding them all into a little small minded place where we will continue to lose as we continue to convince ourselves that because we are all alike we are correct. And then there is the "Bernie sucks", "no Hillary sucks". Thom Hartman sucks, Will Pitt sucks, TYT suck. Good lord it is 1st grade all over again. You want to win? Stop this shit. Grow up and get to know the other side of your neighborhood. Our cars may be a tad shabby or maybe not but we are still on your side.

Sorry for getting off, this crap about who is good enough to listen to is driving me crazy. Nothing like small minded people trying to make you believe only one way. Sad to see this here but it has been coming to this for quite some time.

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Do you consider Thom Hartmann a Democratic leader/figure/supporter? [View all] Akamai Aug 2017 OP

It's been over a decade since I listened to him. David__77 Aug 2017 #1

Me too. He is a very decent person, thoughtful and caring - here in Portland, Oregon I remember Akamai Aug 2017 #8

I liked him, too. calimary Aug 2017 #45

He's promoting foolish Putin propaganda now. yardwork Aug 2017 #97

What wrong information is he promoting? Akamai Aug 2017 #132

You know full well. The information was posted in great detail in your other thread. yardwork Aug 2017 #144

He isn't promoting any such thing. He's on RT under the condition that he has control Hun Joro Aug 2017 #135

He most certainly is promoting false Russian propaganda. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #147

Care to elaborate? Hun Joro Aug 2017 #149

Sure. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #186

So far, you have not proved anything. Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #295

"Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says No" Read it, I don't spoonfeed the unwilling. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #298

But, what exactly did Hartmann say that your post 'proves'. Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #299

Read Akamai's original post. I'm not spoon feeding you what you already know and ignore. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #301

Ok, no proof means your post is worthless... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #304

Plenty of proof provided, your dishonesty & obtuseness is revealing and isn't fooling anyone. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #307

PS you're not entertaining, so don't expect a response. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #311

I've watched him on RT and he seems the same to me. It's weird when Russians run a station and not The Wielding Truth Aug 2017 #156

I like Thom marlakay Aug 2017 #166

Amen to that. We need to unite. snowy owl Aug 2017 #237

Hear, hear. sandensea Aug 2017 #277

No he is not. RandySF Aug 2017 #2

I concur SHRED Aug 2017 #3

Yup! Yup! SHRED I have my suspicions too. Thanks for your views. Akamai Aug 2017 #6

I agree. SalviaBlue Aug 2017 #127

No! His continued presence on Russia Today settled that once and for all. n/t Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #4

You ever listen to his show? to his topics? to his guests? Akamai Aug 2017 #11

Haven't listened to the blowhard in over ten years. I know his schtick. n/t Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #30

Ah -- you just know things! Funny how nationally Akamai Aug 2017 #134

Have fun. I know why Ellison is well received in TH land. I'll leave it at that. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #236

I listen to Thom often. earthshine Aug 2017 #5

Yup! Yup! Absolutely loyal to the Dem party and to progressive values. Akamai Aug 2017 #9

I totally respect how he played it down the middle between Bernie and Hillary, earthshine Aug 2017 #13

I didn't know he paid for air time there. That sure should change the perception of many. Akamai Aug 2017 #22

I wish I had the reference for "Thom pays RT." I read it recently. earthshine Aug 2017 #38

I like Cenk too but many people here say they consider Akamai Aug 2017 #39

Oh, I do enjoy Democracy Now. earthshine Aug 2017 #57

love Amy Goodman bdamomma Aug 2017 #105

He too is being funded by the right, $4M from Buddy Roehmer, for example. George II Aug 2017 #228

Buddy Roehmer has joined with some progressives with a basic goal of - womanofthehills Aug 2017 #249

He is not Alt-right he is alt-left Vetteguy Aug 2017 #232

I have a link! earthshine Aug 2017 #193

A wiki entry does not prove that Hartmann is not paid by RT mcar Aug 2017 #294

I am not going to *prove* anything to you. You present no evidence to the contrary. earthshine Aug 2017 #296

Can't prove a negative mcar Aug 2017 #302

You make an accusation without evidence. Further, you do not seem to understand binary logic. earthshine Aug 2017 #314

K mcar Aug 2017 #317

I taught logic mcar. lapucelle Aug 2017 #327

He never "played it down the middle between Bernie and Hillary." I stopped listening to him during wasupaloopa Aug 2017 #115

That's like your opinion, man, and a highly incorrect one. earthshine Aug 2017 #172

Be my guest put me on ignore it won't mess up my day wasupaloopa Aug 2017 #195

It's amusing to me that people make such an ado mythology Aug 2017 #216

No, but it spares me from accidentally wasting my time reading inane opinions. earthshine Aug 2017 #220

If you don't want to ever read someone's posts, it is _you_ who should put them on ignore. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #266

_You_ obviously have not been paying attention. earthshine Aug 2017 #291

... PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #312

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I think you are a bot. earthshine Aug 2017 #355

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But why is he on RT? Is it money? He certainly can find another outlet for his show. brush Aug 2017 #116

You know lots of people watch RT - maybe it's good to have some dems on RT womanofthehills Aug 2017 #248

This message was self-deleted by its author HopeAgain Aug 2017 #252

Sounds like infiltration to me. So now it's fashionable to be on Putin's payroll brush Aug 2017 #335

He's DU's favorite charlatan but I can't stand his RT shtick PSPS Aug 2017 #7

Charlatan? That's a personal attack. Anything more specific? Obama was accused of Akamai Aug 2017 #10

The question was about Hartmann, not Obama or Clinton PSPS Aug 2017 #25

So no one who sells product can be a liberal? How do you Akamai Aug 2017 #41

You're a Hartmann fan, and that's fine. PSPS Aug 2017 #55

Lol...Dishonest much? whathehell Aug 2017 #68

Do you have examples of him making up facts on the history of Reagan? TooStrong Aug 2017 #148

So you think RT should go into 85 million households in America and have no progressive viewpoint womanofthehills Aug 2017 #250

More propaganda. Fla Dem Aug 2017 #361

Weren't gold dealers big sponsors on Fox News and many right wing radio talk shows? George II Aug 2017 #150

That poster loves his whataboutisms it seems. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #158

I have never seen any reason to doubt his liberal credentials. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #12

A lot of Bernie people were very pissed that Thom wouldn't take sides in the primary. nt earthshine Aug 2017 #14

I have never heard him put his liberal credentials at jeopardy -- indeed, he regularly advances Akamai Aug 2017 #18

he's been on the radio during my drive time lately orleans Aug 2017 #15

Got anyone better than he? maybe you're too critical. Me, too, John from Mineapolis has Akamai Aug 2017 #20

Oh, thank goodness - I thought I was the only one who noticed John gets quite a long phylny Aug 2017 #28

You bet! Run on sentences that lasts for many minutes. But Akamai Aug 2017 #48

Short answer?....No...He's been the leading lefty talker for years & there's a reason for that whathehell Aug 2017 #69

My views too. He is willing to be asked any question (except Akamai Aug 2017 #131

Yes, he is, and he handles virtually all of them with calm and intelligence. n/t whathehell Aug 2017 #155

i always loved randi rhodes orleans Aug 2017 #129

Randi is back - you can buy a podcast or livestream on Facebook, YouTube, or randirhodes.com M-F womanofthehills Aug 2017 #253

And also live on YouTube 4pm EST. OnDoutside Aug 2017 #297

I do. I listen to him on WCPT in Chicago. Kurovski Aug 2017 #16

He also publishes often on Alternet and other progressive venues. Akamai Aug 2017 #23

His presence on that network validates it as a source of news. He's wrong to do that. pnwmom Aug 2017 #47

Alternet is Russian? Akamai Aug 2017 #49

Are you belng deliberately obtuse? I was responding to a person who mentioned his being on RT. pnwmom Aug 2017 #50

When consuming news we have to work our way through Kurovski Aug 2017 #54

I can't believe any thinking Democrat would compare the WA Post to RT. pnwmom Aug 2017 #58

As is the Washington Post carefully crafted. Kurovski Aug 2017 #59

The WA Post isn't part of a state-owned propaganda network and its reporting pnwmom Aug 2017 #60

Yup, Trump told us WAPO is fake news so it must be true! emulatorloo Aug 2017 #206

That's cute, and not the full story. I also read the Washington Post Kurovski Aug 2017 #246

Nothing cute about regurgitating Trump talking points emulatorloo Aug 2017 #280

Not by the state it isn't. Vetteguy Aug 2017 #234

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I can't believe that any thinking Democrat lapucelle Aug 2017 #162

Hartmann gets his facts wrong constantly. yardwork Aug 2017 #103

What are some facts he got wrong???? womanofthehills Aug 2017 #256

What facts did he get wrong? (I agree with you.) Akamai Aug 2017 #259

**an aside** MuseRider Aug 2017 #379

The other alternative of course is that without RT he wouldn't be on the air at all. WoonTars Aug 2017 #183

Anyone can go on youtube. He has options. n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #198

If Hartman is on youtube, we won't be able to hear him in our car womanofthehills Aug 2017 #255

You could tape it. Nothing he says is that time-sensitive. n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #257

TYT, etc distribute on YouTube. Thom could hire some TV students and produce a polished show. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #209

No. For many of the reasons in the thread you started last night bluepen Aug 2017 #17

wow! You are being SO Specific here! (Warning - the former was sarcastic.) Akamai Aug 2017 #27

Absolutely. bluepen Aug 2017 #89

what are the Putin lies and propaganda he promotes? You have specific quotes? Akamai Aug 2017 #260

You're being deliberately obtuse. bluepen Aug 2017 #274

wow! you really are dodging my question -- let me repeat, what specific information do you have? Akamai Aug 2017 #278

Yep. Just all made up! bluepen Aug 2017 #284

I think rational and objective people are wondering why -- if you Akamai Aug 2017 #325

Nope bluepen is right - your posts reek of bad faith - evasive, disingenuous & repetitive. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #341

This person started three or four last night on Thom Hartmann... George II Aug 2017 #107

Yep. They have some kind of weird obsession bluepen Aug 2017 #276

I have some obsession with the truth and supporting someone Akamai Aug 2017 #326

By ignoring other users, and repeatedly ignoring their replies to your inanity. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #342

By asking for proof of perfidy -- we believe in a jury system in this country Akamai Aug 2017 #343

You're in contempt. You've asked over and over, and ignored the answer. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #344

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There is nothing in your comments worthy of my time or reply - ciao! FreepFryer Aug 2017 #347

Don't see him as a leader or figure in the movement. rogue emissary Aug 2017 #19

So what of his shows do you have criticisms of? He has tried to get on national tv but has been Akamai Aug 2017 #21

Orleans' post #15 said it better than I could on why I don't listen/watch his program. rogue emissary Aug 2017 #31

So no specifics? None at all? What issues are important to you? Akamai Aug 2017 #32

Gun control to name one. rogue emissary Aug 2017 #40

He often, often talks about gun control, saying Akamai Aug 2017 #51

Like I said I hadn't ever heard him talk about it. rogue emissary Aug 2017 #53

He has very, very often talked about gun control, and for several months has been promoting the Akamai Aug 2017 #261

Yes. The constant Hartmann-bashing is ridiculous. n/t phylny Aug 2017 #24

You bet it's ridiculous! He supported Bernie and then, once Bernie lost, strongly supported Hillary. Akamai Aug 2017 #33

No. He went off the deep end with his JFK assassination conspiracy theory, then joined RT. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #26

He does have several points of view that may not be the same as all of us - who doesn't? Akamai Aug 2017 #29

All European economies are market economies, like the US. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #42

Bernie would argue that a democratic socialist economy provides a safety net to protect Akamai Aug 2017 #262

Bernie is wrong to call the Nordic countries democratic socialist. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #282

"Democratic Socialist". There seems to be a concerted effort afoot to drive DU in that direction... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #34

Yes, and it is really not helpful to accomplishing progressive goals in the US. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #37

Oh shit...You're not a Warren Commissioner, are you? whathehell Aug 2017 #122

Oh shit...You're not always this rude, are you? SunSeeker Aug 2017 #137

Oh shit..Are you? whathehell Aug 2017 #152

I see. You really are that rude. Nothing "honest" about your post, "dear." SunSeeker Aug 2017 #174

Lol, sure..Your personal attacks may make you feel better about whathehell Aug 2017 #222

Project much? SunSeeker Aug 2017 #223

Um, no whathehell Aug 2017 #227

Um yes, you are projecting. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #231

"You came to this thread breathlessly"....Huh? whathehell Aug 2017 #279

Let it go. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #285

You let it go.. whathehell Aug 2017 #286

I like him and always learn something from him. Marie Marie Aug 2017 #35

Me too. Very decent and considerate guy, with insight on so Akamai Aug 2017 #52

No, not while he drives impressionable progressives to Russian State TV. OnDoutside Aug 2017 #36

He's a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist who, unlike Bernie Sanders, chooses to pnwmom Aug 2017 #43

Nope Hekate Aug 2017 #44

Yes! burrowowl Aug 2017 #46

He's good for people just tuning into Democratic/Progressive ideas ToxMarz Aug 2017 #56

You must be kidding...He's so far beyond that.. whathehell Aug 2017 #77

I sure agree with you on this. Thom has a lengthy history of sophisticated insight into many Akamai Aug 2017 #269

Exactly. whathehell Aug 2017 #283

What I don't get is: where is the outrage against subhumans like Rush Limberger diva77 Aug 2017 #61

I take issue with your statement mdbl Aug 2017 #84

Thank you!! diva77 Aug 2017 #123

:) mdbl Aug 2017 #368

The lack of outrage can most likely be attributed to the fact that even fewer DU'ers listen to Lush Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #321

Wolf in sheeps clothing Tavarious Jackson Aug 2017 #62

Care to elaborate? whathehell Aug 2017 #117

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I agree with you Akamai ... I like Thom and definitely don't doubt his progressive bona-fides ... mr_lebowski Aug 2017 #64

Yes, and Hell Yes! whathehell Aug 2017 #65

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Not a Stein fan, but maybe.you could try denouncing her character whathehell Aug 2017 #70

look you say what you want to say and I will say how I FEEL The_REAL_Ecumenist Aug 2017 #85

You haven't been here very long, have you? whathehell Aug 2017 #109

Thanks for saying this so I don't have to. ariadne0614 Aug 2017 #349

Thanks, ariadne0614 whathehell Aug 2017 #352

I don't consider him at all. leftofcool Aug 2017 #67

That's nice, but whathehell Aug 2017 #74

I've been on DU for a long time. Question asked question answered. leftofcool Aug 2017 #75

Really? whathehell Aug 2017 #79

Not really, no. eShirl Aug 2017 #71

Yes, 100% support Thom RandiFan1290 Aug 2017 #72

Still relitigating the last election and finding someone -- anyone -- to blame, I think. Akamai Aug 2017 #263

LOL! Nice try. You can't squeeze him in under the "Don't bash Democratic public figures" rule. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #73

Was a nice try wasn't it? leftofcool Aug 2017 #76

... and easily seen for what it really is. Rather amusing actually. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #80

+1. And this isn't the first time. bluepen Aug 2017 #94

Like I told a Hartman fan above, I have better things to do. leftofcool Aug 2017 #101

+1000, yes, thanks, it is very easily seen. R B Garr Aug 2017 #281

+ a million. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #322

+1! (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #345

Obvious trolls are obvious. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #81

Yep, very clear where the OP was going with this cheap shot. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #96

Not any more. N/T LisaM Aug 2017 #78

Yes nt riderinthestorm Aug 2017 #82

Not a long as he works for Vladimir Putin. Adrahil Aug 2017 #83

In this day and age, you simply can't work for RT and be trusted by Democrats. Simple Squinch Aug 2017 #86

Is that the guy who was making excuses for Russia with made up bullshit Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #87

Thom is a good man handmade34 Aug 2017 #88

Cool memories! Very touching... Akamai Aug 2017 #264

Uh.. no. Never liked him. nt Kahuna7 Aug 2017 #90

FUCK NO! He's a Putin Poodle and a TRAITOR! Foamfollower Aug 2017 #91

I think you forgot the sarcasm smilie... WoonTars Aug 2017 #168

Yes, TRAITOR! Foamfollower Aug 2017 #169

Please elaborate. How is a dyed in the wool Liberal-Progressive like Thom.. WoonTars Aug 2017 #179

RT Foamfollower Aug 2017 #181

That's not an answer. WoonTars Aug 2017 #184

That was all the answer that is needed. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #185

Except no it isn't. How can you possibly be considered a Russian propagandist... WoonTars Aug 2017 #190

You just created a false equivalency between Russian Dressing and the OFFICIAL Russian Media Foamfollower Aug 2017 #194

Literally? Putin signs his paychecks? WoonTars Aug 2017 #364

Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! You are keerect! (about anger about who he backed in the prima ir Akamai Aug 2017 #265

Way to repeat a Sean Spicer talking point mcar Aug 2017 #300

Most critics here know nothing about him except "He's on RT" whathehell Aug 2017 #351

It is funny.. disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #360

Yep.. whathehell Aug 2017 #374

I know why they're mad at him...but none will admit it openly... WoonTars Aug 2017 #365

I guess I'm out of the loop there.. whathehell Aug 2017 #371

but It looks like whathehell Aug 2017 #384

They can't.. disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #359

Right? WoonTars Aug 2017 #366

Yes, he is a voice for democratic principles and ideals ms liberty Aug 2017 #92

LOL! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #98

A truly scintillating refutation of my comment ms liberty Aug 2017 #167

LOL! It needs no refutation. That statement was so obviously false that it refutes itself... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #176

Self delete. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #242

ms Liberty -- accusations like these are without foundation -- throwing mud at Thom and running Akamai Aug 2017 #267

Muppets rule! George II Aug 2017 #241

Thanks, George! (Statler and Waldorf always make me laugh.) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #243

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He literally works for RT and is being paid by them. Maven Aug 2017 #104

Can you provide a link to proof that he works FOR them, they are paying him, and what amount? ms liberty Aug 2017 #173

He works for them and refuses to say how much they pay him. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #175

Did you miss my post? ms liberty Aug 2017 #177

And what he says goes against what others who have actually left RT have said. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #182

Oh, so someone else said something about Thom ms liberty Aug 2017 #192

When others left the station after Putin's actions in Ukraine, they described how RT works. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #196

And there is nothing in that article about Thom Hartmann ms liberty Aug 2017 #205

She was mentioned in another article I read about him not leaving RT after Putin's MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #217

Thom has repeatedly said that there have been no attempts to manage his content on RT. Akamai Aug 2017 #268

And how are RT on this Rusher thing ? OnDoutside Aug 2017 #292

You are correct. They're now down to hypercritical hair-splitting as a last-ditch "defense" ... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #188

Up thread, Hartman's own wiki entry is posted mcar Aug 2017 #313

Well... That's good enough for me! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #318

He's on their air, hence they are paying a license fee to cover the production budget of the show Maven Aug 2017 #210

If he's filling their air time, he's working FOR them, and promoting their existence. George II Aug 2017 #244

He should release his taxes. Anyone, especially our elected officials R B Garr Aug 2017 #315

Well said. I feel the same. SalviaBlue Aug 2017 #128

He's A voice, one that is found on RT which is a propaganda network. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #233

Please post links to verify your assertion mcar Aug 2017 #306

He's okay, but I've always found him a little preachy. Vinca Aug 2017 #93

Does he still think get the red out Aug 2017 #95

No - I consider him a talking head JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #99

Recommended. H2O Man Aug 2017 #100

i listen to his podcast..have no problem with him..he's a friendly voice.. samnsara Aug 2017 #102

Yes.. disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #106

disillusioned -- not surprising at all that they want to blame someone for Hillary's loss, even Akamai Aug 2017 #271

He did everything he could.. as I did, disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #358

Nope. n/t FSogol Aug 2017 #108

Yes. n/t NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #110

Russia Today paid stooge alcibiades_mystery Aug 2017 #111

They're paying a "stooge" to spread a progressive viewpoint? whathehell Aug 2017 #375

When pulling a con, you find the biggest suckers in the room alcibiades_mystery Aug 2017 #376

Non responsive whathehell Aug 2017 #377

You do know that "leader/figure/supporter" is not a list of synonyms, right? I'M a "supporter." WinkyDink Aug 2017 #112

and a Democratic supporter is what the title indicates. He is always telling people to get inside Akamai Aug 2017 #140

Oh, and BTW: Who is Thom Hartmann, that I should even care? WinkyDink Aug 2017 #113

No and why would anyone. boston bean Aug 2017 #114

No. Nt SweetieD Aug 2017 #118

I've tried listening to Thom Hartmann, but I usually can only handle about 10 minutes of him until Snake Plissken Aug 2017 #119

hell no stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #120

i find him very gullible, w a bad case of confirmation bias. mopinko Aug 2017 #121

No. Russian propaganda mouthpiece. nt Maven Aug 2017 #124

He was very patient with idiot callers to his show who hate Democrats and blame them for everything. betsuni Aug 2017 #125

I don't consider Hartmann at all. MineralMan Aug 2017 #126

The reason I post is that Thom does, I think, enormous good for the people of this country. Akamai Aug 2017 #142

I don't know, but that sounds awfully naive to me. MineralMan Aug 2017 #146

I'll post links leading to some of his latest written pieces -- tell me which ones you disagree with Akamai Aug 2017 #270

I love his show KTM Aug 2017 #130

I agree!!!! happy feet Aug 2017 #133

Plus he has some of the best callers on talk radio. Are we to believe they are RT bots? GusBob Aug 2017 #139

I listen to his show when I can... Obviously yes dembotoz Aug 2017 #136

Why would a "progressive" focus so relentless on a wealthy media personality BainsBane Aug 2017 #138

Well done. I just wanted to respond to this outstanding reply... The Polack MSgt Aug 2017 #224

Thom is not particularly wealthy -- have any idea of his overall wealth? Akamai Aug 2017 #272

$2 million, according to what I just found via Google. BainsBane Aug 2017 #319

Prove it... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #320

Also, 2 million is a fair amount of money, but not a huge amount as Akamai Aug 2017 #323

Where's the proof of Hartmann's 'fortune'.... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #329

I think I saw an estimate that his total wealth was estimated as Akamai Aug 2017 #331

That is not my point... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #334

Yes --but I think you asked about his wealth, and this is the Akamai Aug 2017 #336

His book, "We the People: A Call to Take Back America" CrispyQ Aug 2017 #141

RT does it for me. He's compromised. TheBlackAdder Aug 2017 #143

Are you being paid by Hartmann or RT for promoting him in numerous such threads? (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #145

I would like to know the answer to that as well. yardwork Aug 2017 #170

It has become a daily occurrence NightWatcher Aug 2017 #178

Nope - I just think that in this war of ideas, we shouldn't give up our best weapons. Akamai Aug 2017 #273

By "our" I assume you mean Putin, given your post yesterday and ongoing refusal to admit his lie. nt FreepFryer Aug 2017 #288

Not today. His paycheck is more important to him than anything. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #151

Yes. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #153

Akamai saidsimplesimon Aug 2017 #154

Russia's Thom Hartmann? Look who signs his paycheck first. L. Coyote Aug 2017 #157

I support Thom msdogi Aug 2017 #159

Yeah, so sorry for second guessing anyone with ties to Russia right now. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #161

no one who draws a paycheck from Vladimir Putin is any kind of leader in the party geek tragedy Aug 2017 #160

In my opinion he has always been a twp bit hustler. Scruffy1 Aug 2017 #163

BUY GOLD!!! Foamfollower Aug 2017 #171

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he started selling Hartmann branded nutritional supplements... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #215

I enjoy listening to Thom oppressedproletarian Aug 2017 #164

He reads and quotes DU from time to time. That ought to make him suspicious! eleny Aug 2017 #165

He's a talkshow host and commentator. He's not a "Democratic Leader". Don't be silly. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #180

What I don't get is... Else You Are Mad Aug 2017 #187

you must not watch MSNBC as I've heard them discuss big Pharma and net neutrality. RT equals TrumpTV emulatorloo Aug 2017 #201

How do you not understand being paid by Putin? Cary Aug 2017 #202

He isn't paid by Putin. Else You Are Mad Aug 2017 #204

That wasn't my question Cary Aug 2017 #212

BULLSHIT, THEY GIVE HIM MONEY! HE IS BEHOLDEN TO PUTIN!!! Foamfollower Aug 2017 #218

I'm looking into this. Cary Aug 2017 #235

Please post links to verify your assertion mcar Aug 2017 #316

Read this: BainsBane Aug 2017 #221

I like thom, but DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #189

I guess, but what about people working for corporate media? Why isn't that a serious stain in the JCanete Aug 2017 #230

Putin has a deliberate goal and method DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #308

corporate media has been fairly deliberate, and what has had a worse impact on the misconceptions of JCanete Aug 2017 #340

So you would rather not have a liberal on the air, than have him on RT. womanofthehills Aug 2017 #258

no, like I said DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #309

Hartman is a moderate IndieRick Aug 2017 #191

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #197

I stopped listening years ago MurrayDelph Aug 2017 #199

Yup. 100% eom Arazi Aug 2017 #200

No to Hartmann. No to RT/Putin. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #203

Leader/figure - no. Supporter - sometimes. n/t tammywammy Aug 2017 #207

Since this is a question of "purity", I expect much rancor to bubble to the surface. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #208

You're right. This thread is basically flamebait. Stir the pot! emulatorloo Aug 2017 #211

How about Bill Maher? Let's do a purity test on him! Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #213

He is a Democratic Leader!!!!!! So is Katy Perry for that matter! emulatorloo Aug 2017 #214

I live in Germany, so I don't hear/see his show DFW Aug 2017 #219

This entire thread depresses me to no end tech3149 Aug 2017 #225

You are wise - a quality missing in political discouse these days. snowy owl Aug 2017 #240

Russia made themselves an adversary when they attacked our country BainsBane Aug 2017 #348

Nope. Eko Aug 2017 #226

About as much as I think Ed Shultz is one Egnever Aug 2017 #229

So few liberals, fewer progressives on air, I value every one! snowy owl Aug 2017 #238

Curious? Who do you regard as liberal/progressive leaders in media? snowy owl Aug 2017 #239

The other side of this coin. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #251

Love worship and idolize jodymarie aimee Aug 2017 #254

Wow! Thom's face would probably be blushing if he read your words -- but I think your deep Akamai Aug 2017 #275

Progressive Liberal FDR Democrats and Independents know Hartmann is a Democrat's Democrat. Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #287

Actually him repeating Putinist lies, on RT's payroll like the Reagan bs in yesterday's post is why. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #289

What 'Putin lies' is he repeating... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #290

See post 186. I and others provided the Brookings institution debunk of the lie yesterday. Ciao! FreepFryer Aug 2017 #293

Just to be complete here - provide proof of exactly what Hartmann said. Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #303

Already did. Post 186, and post 7 of the linked post. I said good day, sir. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #305

Yup, no proof, no actual statements from Hartmann...post worthless... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #310

Aren't the Thom haters totally without facts? They seem to Akamai Aug 2017 #324

Ya, that's my point.... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #330

Yup! Yup! And super Yup! And I agree we are lucky he is a Democrat. Akamai Aug 2017 #332

Considering his buddies were there, I wonder if Thom's invitation got lost in the mail? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #328

Wow! Such a juvenile personal attack. Hope you remember how Akamai Aug 2017 #333

If it walks like Russian, talks like a Russian on Russian state tv, it's a damn Russian asset. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #337

Absolutely. I knew him when he lived in Portland and have only good things to say about him. He's Amaryllis Aug 2017 #338

Yup -- he is incredibly knowledgeable about many things and election Akamai Aug 2017 #339

Yes, absolutely! nt Raine Aug 2017 #350

Why is this such an issue? Skidmore Aug 2017 #353

350+ posts and most by the OP tavernier Aug 2017 #357

I wonder, after reading through this sad thread.. disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #362

RT has been decrying/dismissing US anger over Russian attack on the election as McCarthyism FreepFryer Aug 2017 #363

Well, I read it.. disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #367

Do you deny that RT is a Russian propaganda tool? Adrahil Aug 2017 #370

I don't know what RT is - I do not subscribe or disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #372

C'mon, don;t be naive, ffs... Adrahil Aug 2017 #373

Maybe "Net-Carthyism" - it has overwhelmed cyberspace diva77 Aug 2017 #380

Maybe you can put those who oppose Russian active measures in a gulag! (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #382

not understanding your response diva77 Aug 2017 #383

Liberal figure, sure, that can cover a lot. JHB Aug 2017 #369

I listen occasionally MuseRider Aug 2017 #378

I'm probably the only member here who has never seen or heard his show. ecstatic Aug 2017 #381