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DanTex

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Fri Aug 11, 2017, 07:04 PM Aug 2017

The utter stupidity of the Nation's attempt to absolve Russia of the DNC hacks. [View all]

I'm surprised they would sink this low. Here's the article. It's long. I actually read it, and followed the links. But don't bother.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

Here's the TL;DR. The "questions" are all based on the timestamps on DNC files that were released. There are two salient points. First, the times suggest that the computer involved was running on Eastern Time in the US. Second, the differences between the timestamps indicate a transfer rate of about 23 MB/sec, which is faster than would be possible from most ISPs (fair enough, it's MB not Mb). From that they conclude that the files must have been copied physically onto a thumb drive rather than hacked over the internet.

OK. So leave aside the fact that it is utterly trivial to modify file timestamps, or the fact that there are indeed plenty of servers connected to the internet that can do 23 MB/sec no problem. This article is even stupider.

Because, even if we accept that the timestamps indicate copying locally, not through the internet, all this analysis would imply is that at some point the files were copied locally. It says absolutely nothing about what happened before those files got copied. Files get copied all the time. To assume that these timestamps represent the actual time of the hacking, rather than some other time that someone copied them from one drive to another, or one folder to another, is unbelievably stupid.

I don't know Nation, you've written some good things in the past. But to sink to this level, citing anonymous "studies" on the internet by people who don't have the first clue how computers work, in order to absolve Russia. Not good.

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The nation is moving so far left, it's now right. apcalc Aug 2017 #1
I cancelled my subscription back in 2008. LisaM Aug 2017 #2
I quit donating to Buzzflash for the same reason Skittles Aug 2017 #6
I addressed this in another post lapfog_1 Aug 2017 #3
Thanks for the Tech info. underpants Aug 2017 #9
I did read it. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #4
The editor of the Nation is married to a leading Putin apologist 11cents Aug 2017 #5
Really? That's interesting. LisaM Aug 2017 #7
Certainly Is Me. Aug 2017 #12
I did not know that. Susan Calvin Aug 2017 #24
They're both bought and paid for. nocalflea Aug 2017 #27
And he was a Soviet Apologist back in the day Doug the Dem Aug 2017 #44
The hacks certainly proved to be embarrassing. Maybe we can get some on the Republicans. jalan48 Aug 2017 #8
There appears to be no conclusive proof either way... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #10
Haven't 17 intelligence agencies already investigated and agree that it was Russia? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #11
But What Do They Know Me. Aug 2017 #13
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #14
Obviously talking point regurgitation MiddleClass Aug 2017 #16
Well yes according to buzzfeed and what Eric Walker, the DNCs deputy communications director said.. Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #18
That is rich, you are quoted referencing a lie, referencing a quest for truth MiddleClass Aug 2017 #21
Can you sitefor me to where the "FBI uses almost exclusively for computer forensics"...? Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #22
I heard it from an interview with this guy MiddleClass Aug 2017 #25
Thank you. Anyone questioning the conclusion of the intelligence at this point, deserves to be... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #23
When you see DNC refuses to hand over server, it's right wing talking points MiddleClass Aug 2017 #31
It's a regurgitation of a DT tweet. VermontKevin Aug 2017 #34
Thank you, I was under the impression it was from the Republican fast response talking points commit MiddleClass Aug 2017 #48
Washington times!! WTF GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #17
Well, it didn't take long to figure you out. Your proof is The Moonie Times? No agenda there, right? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #19
True or false: did the FBI et.al investigate the DNC Servers...? Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #20
Yes. According to James Comey. If it was good enough for him, what's your beef? VermontKevin Aug 2017 #30
"including copies of DNC servers,"... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #35
This gets better. Now you are suggesting the FBI contractor altered the copies? VermontKevin Aug 2017 #36
Umm, what? You sure you are a computer "specialist"? DanTex Aug 2017 #47
Being a computer geek myself, MiddleClass Aug 2017 #49
Oh wait: the discussion in this thread by this poster is illuminating: VermontKevin Aug 2017 #26
Yup. I saw that, and it helps confirm my suspicions. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #28
Someone call Susan Rice. I think an unmasking just happened. VermontKevin Aug 2017 #32
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #37
Quoting the Washington Times here? Vetteguy Aug 2017 #33
So many RW/Putinist talking points, it's hard to know where to begin Maven Aug 2017 #39
No, the article does not "raise some questions." It is garbage. DanTex Aug 2017 #40
Anyone who took networking 101 knows you transfer to a local server, and then to destination MiddleClass Aug 2017 #15
The far lefts defense of Russia Vetteguy Aug 2017 #29
I guess the author and others just want to BootinUp Aug 2017 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #41
How do you mean? leftstreet Aug 2017 #42
Don't try to figure that out Rhiannon12866 Aug 2017 #43
No kidding leftstreet Aug 2017 #45
We get these things from time to time Rhiannon12866 Aug 2017 #46
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