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WinkyDink

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55. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is more anti-Nazi than I am. But I'm not willing to throw our---OUR, not

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:45 PM

Aug 2017

that of any Euro country---DEMOCRACY AND CONSTITUTION OUT THE DAMN WINDOW because of the beliefs of this particular group.

IOW, I'm also on the side of the law and the decisions of the Supreme Court.

I find it APPALLING that DUers are proposing to act like the former East German Stasi---keep track of the young ones; report them to employers; get them expelled or fired; have them lose health care; post names and photos.

But then, actual laws and legalities seem less and less important on DU these days, considering other threads where emotions and risibly faulty "analogies" prevailed.

Why yes, I DO know that someone was mowed down and killed today. I also know that the SUSPECT (aka, not legally guilty yet) has been, you know, ARRESTED. Should he have been dealt with instead by the Vigilantes of the Good?

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Doxxing Nazis: People in Charlottesville and surrounding areas should [View all] MineralMan Aug 2017 OP

They don't think they even have to wear hoods any more The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #1

Good, the better to recognize them and out them. MineralMan Aug 2017 #2

They stopped wearing hoods for self preservation jmowreader Aug 2017 #9

They don't need to NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #86

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #27

A lot of them were wearing helmets, scarves, sunglasses Thor_MN Aug 2017 #33

+1 YCHDT Aug 2017 #43

If you know them, identify them as a public service. dalton99a Aug 2017 #3

If you get the name wrong, be prepared for a defamation suit with heavy damages: career earnings. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2017 #72

I suspect more than a few wear the label proudly...sadly. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #4

This is the Trump Era, these assholes are proud of their participation. nt oasis Aug 2017 #5

It doesn't matter. Shine the light of day on them as individuals. MineralMan Aug 2017 #6

Now that I think of it, good idea. The Timothy McVeigh's of the world oasis Aug 2017 #8

Not a bad idea YCHDT Aug 2017 #44

Agree. Shining more light on vermin Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #56

The prouder, the better. Iggo Aug 2017 #35

Not a fan of doxing normally. cwydro Aug 2017 #7

Neither am I but this type of issue deserves doxxing. Yes. it does. riversedge Aug 2017 #22

This isn't really "doxxing" as such. Mariana Aug 2017 #88

Good point. cwydro Aug 2017 #89

Kicked and recommended. Elections have consequences, and so do violent racist rallies. (NT) PBass Aug 2017 #10

Trump loves this Johnny2X2X Aug 2017 #11

Excellent idea. nt Duppers Aug 2017 #12

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #13

Common ground????? These are the heirs of the Persondem Aug 2017 #18

You don't get to call them heirs. We're all heirs of some heinous or badassery types. No one in ancianita Aug 2017 #23

We don't all repeat the same heinous actions though YCHDT Aug 2017 #59

They are white supremacists. They were marching for white supremacy. They ARE heirs to the nazis. Squinch Aug 2017 #110

If I were religious, I'd say Amen. Efilroft Sul Aug 2017 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Aug 2017 #25

Nazis and white supremacists are the enemies of humanity. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #31

Define Nazi. I understand where you come from. Are these guilty of actual harm by common law? No. ancianita Aug 2017 #34

These people are literal Nazis. They chant Nazi slogans, fly the Swastika. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #37

Yeah. Difference is, they're human, NOT dog shit on a sidewalk. You'll hate it, I'll bend over, ancianita Aug 2017 #40

yeah, "hug the Nazis" didn't work out too well for Europe last time geek tragedy Aug 2017 #41

I disagree Cadfael Aug 2017 #107

Perfect. "If you've ever wondered..." Hekate Aug 2017 #123

How many times xajj4791 Aug 2017 #36

Not aware of any school policies allowing expulsion for free expression... MadDAsHell Aug 2017 #14

You're right. This is the exact challenge that this country supports. Good, bad, ugly, beautiful. ancianita Aug 2017 #15

A teacher's aide was fired near here for calling Michelle Ilsa Aug 2017 #20

Affirmative action justice. Michelle was a member of a racially oppressed class. False equivalency. ancianita Aug 2017 #26

This is an example Timmygoat Aug 2017 #16

It's comparable to the violent attacks on non-segregationist state and local governments Ken Burch Aug 2017 #51

Maybe it would be better to report names and contact info to police, NAACP, ACLU, aikoaiko Aug 2017 #17

Absolutely. And the younger ones Ilsa Aug 2017 #21

Are you freaking SERIOUS? "SHOULD BE WATCHED OVER THEIR CAREERS"?? That's what E. Germany did. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #52

If someone is running for governor, and they were Ilsa Aug 2017 #60

Well, you go first. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #65

Yes, absolutely, a lot of them will be seeking jobs as law enforcement, and they geek tragedy Aug 2017 #102

The police?? Are we in Communist China now? WinkyDink Aug 2017 #46

My point being if you think someone committed crimes, tell the police their names. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #63

OMG, you actually wrote as if I didn't know we aren't in China. O.M.G. And sorry, but calling in WinkyDink Aug 2017 #66

Calling in the names of violent white supremacists is OK, by me. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #87

It also encourages the use of these tactics by the far right. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #54

They'll do that anyway, why assume these morally empty people won't? YCHDT Aug 2017 #61

Yep. It's time to do the American thing: GET NAZIS FIRED! backscatter712 Aug 2017 #19

Your post is beyond the pale. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #49

Why? liquid diamond Aug 2017 #99

Nazis don't like anything beyond the 'pale' nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #101

Cossacks don't, either. I wonder if anybody besides me got the reference? Hekate Aug 2017 #124

No one reflected upon WWII and thought geek tragedy Aug 2017 #129

Wait! Maybe they can work for NASA! WinkyDink Aug 2017 #69

That sounds familiar... backscatter712 Aug 2017 #132

Most are from out of town, the Gov said. But SOME are surely local. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #28

I'm all the way over here in Los Angeles, and I can see their faces clearly. Iggo Aug 2017 #38

I hope so. I'll take a look. I live in KKK territory... Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #39

K&R liquid diamond Aug 2017 #29

Kick & rec CanonRay Aug 2017 #30

K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #32

I will let any of their employers know mcar Aug 2017 #42

+ flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #81

I'm still a fan of the First Amendment. If one is violent, we have laws to address that behavior. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #45

And now it would appear that one of them has killed someone. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #47

And I believe we have a law or two to deal with that. I could be wrong. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #50

Private individuals are entitled to respond to hate speech The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #53

Oh, do tell. And what, pray, do you expect an employer to do about someone's private time? WinkyDink Aug 2017 #57

That's up to the employer. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #64

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #67

Just making the point that there's no law or constitutional prohibition The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #70

Saying everything is "up to the employer" fits my description, IMO. Thanks for the tip about a WinkyDink Aug 2017 #74

A private employer is under no obligation to ignore political affiliation or private conduct. X_Digger Aug 2017 #134

I would not hire someone I knew to be a white supremacist. These people have chosen to make Squinch Aug 2017 #115

I worked for both the County and the University, in my time. At the University I was in Personnel... Hekate Aug 2017 #125

And if one is publicly proclaiming themselves as a white supremacist, we have social media to spread Squinch Aug 2017 #111

The first amendment is a protection from government interference, nothing more. X_Digger Aug 2017 #135

Excellent OP. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #48

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is more anti-Nazi than I am. But I'm not willing to throw our---OUR, not WinkyDink Aug 2017 #55

I agree. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #62

This has nothing to do with vigilantism. Those Nazis marched specifically to gain attention. Squinch Aug 2017 #126

But the Constitution doesn't regulate the actions of private individuals The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #68

Well, actually, HARASSMENT is not legal. STALKING is not legal. J/S. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #71

Harassment has a pretty narrow legal definition. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #79

I think you just listed a number of reasons to let this situation up to the legal authorities. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #82

I'm not disagreeing, just commenting on what the law is. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #83

The marchers marched to get attention. There is no legal or ethical prohibition against Squinch Aug 2017 #127

Those white supremacists marched in an effort to make their beliefs public. There is no Squinch Aug 2017 #113

Yeah, these guys *wanted* publicity. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #114

AND I have no ethical mandate to IGNORE the fact that they are white supremacists when I Squinch Aug 2017 #117

When you march, do you expect privacy? Squinch Aug 2017 #112

Doxxing is wrong even if it is against Nazis. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #58

White supremacy rallies are terrorism, not "political speech", and there are more of us than them. flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #75

The Supreme Court might not agree with your premise. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #78

The rallies are protected speech as long as they are nonviolent, or The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #90

That's an excellent point, VO; I wonder about that last part though flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #91

Well, today might be a test case. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #94

I believe the Gov declared a State of Emergency, so I don't see how they could sue flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #96

Nope. Many thousands of Americans killed Nazis (or were killed by them). Coventina Aug 2017 #97

This. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #100

Nazis have a right to protest in public, those opposed to Nazis have a right geek tragedy Aug 2017 #98

Thank you for stating it so clearly uppityperson Aug 2017 #121

This isn't doxxing. These people marched for the expressed purpose of making public their Squinch Aug 2017 #119

Take it a step further: Post their faces where they work, where they live, with "RACIST" flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #73

Oh, by all means, let's include their CHILDREN AND SCHOOLS! Why, it's such a modest proposal, who WinkyDink Aug 2017 #77

PS I just want to be clear I'm not advocating violence in ANY way flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #92

Sometimes this place pintobean Aug 2017 #76

I don't know what "cave" you mean, but it sure ain't Plato's. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #84

probably some cave dwellers in that crowd. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #85

I am hope people will recognize them and call them out. riversedge Aug 2017 #80

This is an absolutely stupid idea mythology Aug 2017 #93

86 Recs and counting. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #103

When you attend a political march, do you expect privacy? Squinch Aug 2017 #118

Yes, we WANT to ruin the lives of Nazi trash. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author matt819 Aug 2017 #95

I'm all for Doxxing terrorists. Cattledog Aug 2017 #104

If you're carrying a flaming torch at a white power/klan/nazi rally Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #105

+ 1 Coventina Aug 2017 #108

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #106

They're already being outed on Twitter MountCleaners Aug 2017 #109

The murderer in the car was from Ohio. So lets start doxxing people there first. Bonx Aug 2017 #116

@Yes You're Racist is doing #NameANazi irisblue Aug 2017 #120

I saw that posted here earlier. cwydro Aug 2017 #133

99th Rec Hekate Aug 2017 #122

"If they attend UVA or another college, they should be expelled." mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2017 #128

I don't know if I want to go as far as you, but I do absolutely call on everyone to look at the pics KitSileya Aug 2017 #131