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In reply to the discussion: Vox: Bernie Sanders and many Democrats keep confusing identity politics with tokenism [View all]
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)10. Another K&R
Great article. Thanks for posting it, Tom.
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Vox: Bernie Sanders and many Democrats keep confusing identity politics with tokenism [View all]
TomCADem
Aug 2017
OP
we need candidates who know how to CAMPAIGN to win. losing is shit w/ consequences.
pansypoo53219
Aug 2017
#5
Salon - Stop blaming identity politics: With white liberals like these, who needs the right wing?
TomCADem
Aug 2017
#11
no of course it isn't...starting the conversation by calling people, who yes, do behave in racist
JCanete
Aug 2017
#15
"Women are taking THEIR JOBS and independent enough to "LEAVE THEM" is a "legit fear"?!? WTF- THEIR
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#31
yes, legitimate as in there is a loss there to these men who appreciated that dominance and seem
JCanete
Aug 2017
#40
Women took "their jobs" - so much for words mattering? They matter. Goodbye.
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#42
evertything else I posted was their interpretation of reality. I made the faux pas of being keenly
JCanete
Aug 2017
#43
You said the other fears weren't legit- the fear of women taking their jobs being free is legit fear
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#45
that was a sloppy mistake on my part because I was focusing on women's independence when I said that
JCanete
Aug 2017
#47
Wait- racists are "fucked over" because some people call them out for being racist? WTFingFuck?
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#28
It sounds like I wasn't very articulate, because that is not at all what I was intending to say. I
JCanete
Aug 2017
#29
You're blaming he victims, again and again. Now it's women taking "men's jobs"
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#32
holy fuck bettyellen. In the context of everytihng i've typed how is that what you took away?
JCanete
Aug 2017
#33
You said "women taking THEIR JOBS" is a "legitimate fear". Women's jobs are THEIR JOBS AND THERES
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#34
I clarified that after the fact and you can see it in the previous post. It was not what you think
JCanete
Aug 2017
#36
You literally agreed those jobs belong to men- their fears are legit. Own it. It's what you clearly
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#37
no I didn't. Look at the post I added to. ...Fuck it, I'll post it again here. I absolutely did no
JCanete
Aug 2017
#39
You called he idea women's jobs "their (men's) jobs" legit. Not sure what you're going on about...
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#41
No, being honest would be honest. At no point have I lied about my intent. If you want me to
JCanete
Aug 2017
#44
You articulated fears of women and legitimized them, period. You took pains to make a distinction
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#46
and what I meant by legit, i've already explained. What is your problem with that meaning, not your
JCanete
Aug 2017
#48
WTF does that have to do with women who have freedom? Nothing. Unless you're a
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#51
how did you miss the point of this? me saying something was legitimate had to do with whether the
JCanete
Aug 2017
#52
This is not an honest reply, sorry. The contortions you need to go through are gross.
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#54
I'm not suggesting we're creating problems for bigots and sexists. So nope, nope, nope, right back
JCanete
Aug 2017
#55
Yeah, it's exactly what you said. Multiple times. That's the idea you keep floating here.
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#56
Now you're both accusing me of saying "fuck them" and also sympathizing with them simultaneously.
JCanete
Aug 2017
#60
Jesus -it's your own words. I can't help it if your arguments are inconsistent and sexist in part
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#63
you are being intentionally obtuse. You know that's not what I was saying. You are the one
JCanete
Aug 2017
#64
It's literally what you said. That you unintentionally gave credence to the fears of sexists isn't
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#65
those people are not victims. they are trashy fucking losers who should be called out on it
JI7
Aug 2017
#35
Our candidate won 2.9 million more popular votes. Under our system she could have won10 million more
pnwmom
Aug 2017
#59
Jeeze - the last time I posted an old (2016) article I nearly got run out of town.
ciaobaby
Aug 2017
#27