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Coventina

(29,889 posts)
44. I most certainly am.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 04:14 PM
Aug 2017

Look, artworks are attacked all over the world, and as a person whose profession it is to preserve, analyze, present and document ALL ART this is incredibly frustrating to me.

Enough art gets destroyed through accident, natural disaster, warfare, and natural deterioration. Wanton destruction is just that: wanton destruction.

All we have (going back just one hundred years or so) are fragments that through accident or purpose have been preserved. We try to understand what these objects meant to their original makers and viewers. When all you have are bits and pieces of a visual culture, interpretation gets that much more skewed.

How can we know what people really thought or felt if their visual history is erased? What if 500 years from now, the absence of Confederate monuments makes future historians conclude that those who fought in the Civil War were quickly forgotten?

ISIS is busily attempting to erase all prior civilizations to theirs. Many of the locations I used to teach about early empires have been completely bulldozed into oblivion. They were cruel, horrific societies by Enlightenment standards, but they were the world's earliest. And now they are gone, thanks to ISIS.

The Nazis tried to erase modern art from their society. They destroyed thousands of artworks they considered offensive, morally degenerate, etc.

The Suffragettes in England splashed acid on many "Old Masters," particularly sumptuous female nudes by such greats as Velasquez and Reubens. They were protesting the fact that women were treated as sex objects instead of rational creatures entitled to a political voice.

Many modern works of art are attacked because people react angrily toward them. They don't understand how a huge red canvas with a few white stripes can be art. So they attack it with a knife. Or they throw white paint over a painting they think defames a religious figure.

During the French Revolution resentment toward the Catholic Church led mobs to hack statues to pieces, smash stained glass windows, or sometimes just burn the entire church down (including monuments like the great church of Cluny, one of the greatest achievements of the Middle Ages).

Mobs of angry Protestants destroyed Catholic artwork they considered "idolatrous," including books of history and other learning which are now lost forever.

Lots of people have destroyed art for lots of different reasons, and they all felt justified. Maybe some were more justified than others. But it doesn't change the fact that once it is gone, that history is gone forever. We will always be left with an incomplete picture of what really was - whether it was a beautiful truth or an ugly one.

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Even as rubble, dumped in specific areas they could even help rebuild coral reefs... WePurrsevere Aug 2017 #1
will coral reefs grow on metal statues? If so, even more of a reason to do it nt Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #2
I had to look it up but yes, it will on SOME metals... WePurrsevere Aug 2017 #7
The USS Oriskany aircraft carrier was made of steel. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2017 #26
What about the cemeteries? greymattermom Aug 2017 #3
Hint: They're already dead and won't be bothering anyone. Bonx Aug 2017 #6
we don't deface graves.... Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #15
Why do you keep pushing that mantra? What's your agenda? Orrex Aug 2017 #17
our government left the millions? of civil war dead rotting where they fell. civilians buried them & Sunlei Aug 2017 #21
Be curious no more! LanternWaste Aug 2017 #22
That Orrex Aug 2017 #24
No, no, no, a thousand times NO! Coventina Aug 2017 #4
I'm ok with just hiding them in the basement for a generation or three. . . n/t annabanana Aug 2017 #5
You make an excellent point & the history lover in me agrees... WePurrsevere Aug 2017 #9
Decisions on where to place objects would have to be made on a case by case basis. Coventina Aug 2017 #10
If they can be stored out of sight by the Smithsonian... WePurrsevere Aug 2017 #14
They could be stored dry with the old nuclear submarine reactors at the Hanford Site... hunter Aug 2017 #12
Works for me. Coventina Aug 2017 #13
They should not be maintained with public funding Orrex Aug 2017 #19
This. moda253 Aug 2017 #20
I completely agree with removing them as public monuments. Coventina Aug 2017 #29
I'm not comfortable with absolutes. Surely there are limits? Orrex Aug 2017 #32
Anything done at the point of a gun is of course secondary to the crime of coercion. Coventina Aug 2017 #34
I see no reason why the statues can't be destroyed by that same standard Orrex Aug 2017 #36
If a patron paid an artist to do it with an agreed contract between artist and patron Coventina Aug 2017 #37
Would you be ok with someone erecting a statue of you having intercourse with an animal? Orrex Aug 2017 #39
Stuff like that gets made all the time. Coventina Aug 2017 #41
And you're comfortable making that absolute determination on others' behalf? Orrex Aug 2017 #42
I most certainly am. Coventina Aug 2017 #44
Then everyone has that authority, and no one needs to listen to you Orrex Aug 2017 #47
So mob rule, huh? Coventina Aug 2017 #50
Not what I said or implied, but whatever Orrex Aug 2017 #55
Well, I am a professional Art Historian, so I do Coventina Aug 2017 #57
Well, fuck. Orrex Aug 2017 #59
I agree. It's too much like book-burning. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #27
I have no problem putting them here lapfog_1 Aug 2017 #28
I assure you, such facilities do exist. Coventina Aug 2017 #30
Many can be moved to Confederate cemeteries LeftInTX Aug 2017 #53
. Iggo Aug 2017 #8
Let's burn all of the books we find offensive too. B2G Aug 2017 #11
the other side bans and burns books Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #16
How about at statues venerating men who fought to destroy the Republic? Orrex Aug 2017 #25
Breaking the law by inflicting cruelty is not acceptable in the name of art. Coventina Aug 2017 #31
That is a completely arbitrary standard Orrex Aug 2017 #35
I have said all along that Confederate monuments should be removed. Coventina Aug 2017 #38
Again, that's a completely arbitrary standard Orrex Aug 2017 #40
When did I ever say art trancends sensitivities? Coventina Aug 2017 #43
Nor have I declared the work criminal Orrex Aug 2017 #46
That's all I ever wanted! I've said all along the monuments should be Coventina Aug 2017 #49
I'm not sure that it's "arbitrary," but you're starting to make sense Orrex Aug 2017 #56
Well, please just acknowledge that I have a differing perspective. Coventina Aug 2017 #58
Are you ok with a bronze statue of Adam Lanza XRubicon Aug 2017 #54
They should move the statues to the civil war graveyards and those 'battlefields' for tourists. Sunlei Aug 2017 #18
I think that's an exellent idea. B2G Aug 2017 #23
Take them down, and give them to their descendants or throw them in the trash dalton99a Aug 2017 #33
can we shoot them before ditching them at sea? 0rganism Aug 2017 #45
Rebel monuments deserve the same fate as BinLaden XRubicon Aug 2017 #48
No loyalsister Aug 2017 #51
A Hungarian poster on another site described what they did with Commmunist era monuments Warpy Aug 2017 #52
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