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223. No. Freakin'. Kidding.

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 12:10 AM

Aug 2017

I'd love to face off any one of 'em and say "you happy NOW?????"

I know exactly how you feel, mcar. I find this to be one of those very nearly unforgivable sins. This one is DAMN hard to get over. Especially when the truth was all there. All very available. So was her tremendously impressive and enviable record. And sometimes it was hand-delivered to them (like some people I know who would NOT listen to reason no matter how hard I tried to explain things to them), and STILL they turned up their noses. Turns out a lot of 'em believed crap that we now know was generated by Russian bots and hackers and other assorted nogoodniks. And they fell for it all. A lot of 'em I dismiss as stupid and brainwashed. But some others among them should have known better. She's been proved right again and again and again and again and again. And again.

This is fucking AGONIZING.

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AGAIN, HILLARY WAS RIGHT, YET CRUCIFIED BY THE MEDIA, THE RIGHT & SOME ON THE LEFT [View all] boston bean Aug 2017 OP

Her description of these asshole Nazis was actually very mild and reserved. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #1

Yes she was. Both correct and "Crucified". Tom Rinaldo Aug 2017 #2

Yes, she knew the truth, and not just about Trump luvtheGWN Aug 2017 #21

This is the heart wrenching truth. peacebuzzard Aug 2017 #3

You mean the corporatist, warmonger, turd way, DLCer? mcar Aug 2017 #4

+ a trillion boston bean Aug 2017 #5

Absolutely. They can take all their buzzwords and shove them. betsuni Aug 2017 #9

They helped elect Trump and now they're surprised by how bad he is. yardwork Aug 2017 #13

How did this site let them use such language? It is a moderated site, right? VermontKevin Aug 2017 #20

No, it is not moderated. murielm99 Aug 2017 #24

But the site is owned privately. The ultimate judges are the owners then. VermontKevin Aug 2017 #29

Yes. murielm99 Aug 2017 #33

No. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #207

Amen! leftofcool Aug 2017 #28

Yes they do. Maven Aug 2017 #42

EXACTLY niyad Aug 2017 #44

And now that they see what they have wrought, and they know they are guilty Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #103

THIS Hekate Aug 2017 #175

This! This! This! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #195

No. Freakin'. Kidding. calimary Aug 2017 #223

And I fear we will never learn, calimary mcar Aug 2017 #252

word librechik Aug 2017 #271

Hear, hear!!! Beacool Aug 2017 #275

I will not forget, we were warned. We were told. And a woman mocked, criticized and crucified for boston bean Aug 2017 #6

What is this, the Lord of the Rings? There is no magical virtue that is a dividing line between JCanete Aug 2017 #51

Hearts full of hatred described as "not pure" .... why? There's a world of difference there. bettyellen Aug 2017 #56

it depends on who we're talking about. Are the lefties also people who have hearts full of hatred? JCanete Aug 2017 #63

Moral relativism, false equivocations...you sound just like Trump with his "on many sides" shit. JHan Aug 2017 #65

Morality is a construct, unless you believe in God, and I don't. I would closely allign myself to JCanete Aug 2017 #72

Your false equivocations: JHan Aug 2017 #81

I don't think rich people are evil though. I think their actions equate to evil. I do think, if JCanete Aug 2017 #89

A young woman died. JHan Aug 2017 #104

No, I didn't say nothing should be condemned. I said people as a whole shouldn't be condemned. Their JCanete Aug 2017 #120

that is word salad. JHan Aug 2017 #123

what? There is a very obvious and distinct difference from condemning a person and condemning a JCanete Aug 2017 #126

We already know human beings are complex JHan Aug 2017 #132

Hell no, some people, trump supporting nazis, SHOULD be condemned Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #193

I already said that if you want to identify as a Nazi, while people are still people and we JCanete Aug 2017 #234

Boom. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #213

Yep. It is a very clever way to do it, too. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #260

Those Nazis in Charlottesville are not comparable to your average anxious fool. They're actively bettyellen Aug 2017 #66

++++ exactly, and I'll also add... JHan Aug 2017 #70

but I'm not denying that. JHan, where did I deny the perniciousness of racism? It fucking exists. JCanete Aug 2017 #131

One of the first steps in dismantling racism JHan Aug 2017 #139

I'm not lecturing you. I have a perspective and in order for me to understand yours better, there is JCanete Aug 2017 #141

How many times must it be pointed out to someone racism is bad? JHan Aug 2017 #156

Call it racism. Racism is not something that has to be permanent. Racism is a state of mind about JCanete Aug 2017 #237

Right racism.. so the next step is admitting they are racist...yes? JHan Aug 2017 #244

+1000000000000000000000000000000000 betsuni Aug 2017 #247

I"m not trying to protect anybody's feelings. We've rehashed this over and over. JCanete Aug 2017 #248

Well. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #217

For the record Motownman78 Aug 2017 #233

Like I said, some are gone...too far gone. They have an emotional incentive at this point not to be JCanete Aug 2017 #135

Instead of being defensive you might try some introspection Cary Aug 2017 #129

You've attacked me though, but then you wouldn't see me, simply because of my JCanete Aug 2017 #149

I find it odd how hard you try to make everything personal Cary Aug 2017 #174

on point observation JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #200

um...because in this case I have anecdotal evidence of you attacking me for my perspective, while JCanete Aug 2017 #245

The point of my anecdote is that from my perspective both sides don't do it Cary Aug 2017 #269

Unfortunately that isn't true. Cary Aug 2017 #124

started when she pointed out that 'vast rite wing conspiracy'. pansypoo53219 Aug 2017 #112

Those who worked against Hillary Clinton, but who claimed MineralMan Aug 2017 #7

+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #10

++++++++++++++++++++++++ lapucelle Aug 2017 #194

Plain and simple enough for anyone to understand . Straight to the point. Thank you MM lunasun Aug 2017 #228

The anti HRC agenda from the so called progressive movement, headed by Bernie Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #261

Well said....... Beacool Aug 2017 #276

Can we say that she was actually right when she called Trump supporters..... Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #8

I disagree. Bleacher Creature Aug 2017 #74

Can't argue with that Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #85

You're correct, but PLEASE DON'T SHOUT in thread titles. Your thread is not more important. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2017 #11

Yes, that's irritating. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #19

K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #12

K&R betsuni Aug 2017 #14

Move on.... Baconator Aug 2017 #15

No. boston bean Aug 2017 #18

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JHan Aug 2017 #25

That's right. NO! We will never shut up about this lunamagica Aug 2017 #153

"Hurt feelings" lapucelle Aug 2017 #215

Nope. Not hurt feelings. Anger leftofcool Aug 2017 #31

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #106

She WON! The majority of voters voted for her. Russia elected trump lunamagica Aug 2017 #155

So if "She WON!" the hate and vitriol on this string should be directed at the electoral college. ciaobaby Aug 2017 #165

Well, I agree with you about the EC. However, the vitrol in this string is directed lunamagica Aug 2017 #171

I absolutely agree with you. ciaobaby Aug 2017 #180

I'm sorry you are going through this with your sister. I can't imagine how hard it must be lunamagica Aug 2017 #192

+1 ciaobaby Aug 2017 #163

We're trying to see that history is not repeated mcar Aug 2017 #34

It's one standard BainsBane Aug 2017 #39

Move on? People are dying NOW BainsBane Aug 2017 #35

If you are wearied of the conversation, it's incumbent upon you to move on. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #37

Tell the young woman Heather Heyer who was martyred to move on! hrmjustin Aug 2017 #40

How ironic GaryCnf Aug 2017 #86

How does supporting Bernie Sanders make a person a villian? hrmjustin Aug 2017 #88

The word "purported" is important here. GaryCnf Aug 2017 #92

Heather is a martyr. hrmjustin Aug 2017 #99

No one said a fucking thing about Sanders supporters BainsBane Aug 2017 #96

Total denial GaryCnf Aug 2017 #117

We are not attacking Democrats! hrmjustin Aug 2017 #130

Who is attacking Democrats? mcar Aug 2017 #138

And you once again make it about yourself BainsBane Aug 2017 #145

Since nothing I said GaryCnf Aug 2017 #151

WHAT?? boston bean Aug 2017 #154

What history is that? BainsBane Aug 2017 #167

I'd also like to see a link to where Warren said that mcar Aug 2017 #185

Certainly GaryCnf Aug 2017 #206

Not quite mcar Aug 2017 #211

Just for you #121 GaryCnf Aug 2017 #196

Save you? BainsBane Aug 2017 #214

... betsuni Aug 2017 #242

When rhetoric is unchained to fact GaryCnf Aug 2017 #257

Well said, BB! mcar Aug 2017 #270

Care to have the courage to explain your response? hrmjustin Aug 2017 #189

Of course GaryCnf Aug 2017 #209

Nobody lectured you! hrmjustin Aug 2017 #212

How ironic. No one brought up Sanders except you, in a comment about a young woman... Hekate Aug 2017 #222

You understand that the only GaryCnf Aug 2017 #249

It's Democratic side, not Democrat side. betsuni Aug 2017 #251

Of course GaryCnf Aug 2017 #254

The use of that term is what we call "a tell". Thanks ever so for fixing it. Hekate Aug 2017 #255

And here I was thinking it was called GaryCnf Aug 2017 #258

You responded to me and I never mentioned Bernie Sanders! hrmjustin Aug 2017 #279

No. nt Maven Aug 2017 #43

"those who do not understand history are condemned to repeat it." niyad Aug 2017 #45

One of those mistakes... Baconator Aug 2017 #108

Really, Baconator? Our candidate, WHO WON BY 3 MILLION VOTES, was a "mistake"? Do tell. Hekate Aug 2017 #225

our candidate was a mistake???? got it. niyad Aug 2017 #259

No. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #61

Nothing to do with Hillary... Baconator Aug 2017 #101

Well, I think it does. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #133

Excuse me? I don't think so. moda253 Aug 2017 #68

Donate here. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #77

Nah. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #208

Hurt feelings????? Beacool Aug 2017 #277

Yes: "Putin's puppet" and "Deplorables" were absolutely correct as were most of the issues Mrs. Overall Aug 2017 #16

Shout it from the rooftops!!!! nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #17

Yes, and it makes me so GOD DAMNED MAD! MoonRiver Aug 2017 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author annabanana Aug 2017 #23

She called them Deplorables she should have never apologized for it. KRISITNA Aug 2017 #26

THAT was my only beef with it Cosmocat Aug 2017 #55

I can't even express how angry I am NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #27

I will be angry for the rest of my life ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #47

Exactly, when you say someone is corrupt and out of touch, you are not R B Garr Aug 2017 #140

She was right about so many things BainsBane Aug 2017 #30

They saw a Nazi at the gate and still went after Hillary and refused to vote for her. hrmjustin Aug 2017 #32

This. A thousand times, this. better Aug 2017 #38

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #146

Did you vote for her? lunamagica Aug 2017 #158

Hillary was not the lesser of the two evils. hrmjustin Aug 2017 #188

Some wanted that Nazi. They thought if the Nazi won, the harm would be Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #262

But her e-mails, and, and, and, her speaking voice, and , and, and, Wall Street... Aristus Aug 2017 #36

and her hair, and her pantsuits. . . . the nasty woman! niyad Aug 2017 #46

I and my wife are proud of our vote for Hillary workinclasszero Aug 2017 #41

er....if this is the way the Democratic Party thinks we should be campaigning in the future, JCanete Aug 2017 #48

Defending them, while criticizing Clinton. Nice. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #49

What are you talking about. You either bother to understand people, or we can keep trying to JCanete Aug 2017 #52

Most people do understand racists are vile people. Others think they need to be understood. boston bean Aug 2017 #76

Actually leeches have their uses. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #105

Oh please NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #137

Thanks for your thoughtful insight. Nothing sophomoric about reductionism at all. nt JCanete Aug 2017 #143

LOL! NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #166

You're just too smart for me. I wish I could be more insulted by I don't know what the burn was here JCanete Aug 2017 #169

Ignore those who are purposely trying to make your argument AGAINST nazis sound Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #264

Oh, I am ignoring that poster NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #266

I am using the "ignore" ploy to make a bigger point. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #268

Have you considered an internet break? Baconator Aug 2017 #147

It would be great if you'd take your own advice. I know I wouldn't cry. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #199

Why the intentional insult? Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #263

A question for you. ciaobaby Aug 2017 #187

She was not right? what world do you live in? hrmjustin Aug 2017 #50

okay, I thought this was an election, where you have to win at least hearts, if not minds. JCanete Aug 2017 #54

So smiling and waving at them is going to get their vote? hrmjustin Aug 2017 #57

No. I didn't say that. Obama pulled some votes didn't he? nt JCanete Aug 2017 #58

Voting for Trump was not about economic anxiety. hrmjustin Aug 2017 #60

to what end? Really. What the hell do you think labeling people "shitty people" will accomplish? nt JCanete Aug 2017 #64

You're advocating reserving judgment on armed Neo Nazi? WOW. bettyellen Aug 2017 #67

What? fuck that. Look, there is a point where people are beyond return, or at least, a point JCanete Aug 2017 #75

I never categorized every Trump voter, but I get that you need to believe that. bettyellen Aug 2017 #79

You are objecting to me saying that we shouldn't be applying these categories and making it easy to JCanete Aug 2017 #82

Being inclusive of racists is different than being inclusive of those who boston bean Aug 2017 #83

Yes, it's exactly like the caveats the WH released today about the heroic counter protestors. bettyellen Aug 2017 #90

soft-shoeing of racism? I'm not saying we need to "be inclusive of racists." I'm saying racism is a JCanete Aug 2017 #94

Those poor misunderstood racists. Let me get you a fainting couch. boston bean Aug 2017 #95

straw-man. Not what I said. I said they lack empathy. We need to understand that. We don't need to JCanete Aug 2017 #102

The lack of empathy resides on one side. And it isn't the side of inclusivity that is lacking it. boston bean Aug 2017 #109

again, straw-manning my point and putting words into my mouth about the "poor racists." Point JCanete Aug 2017 #118

"Racism is a condition of failed empathy" ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #128

want to expand or leave me in the dark you clearly think I'm in? nt JCanete Aug 2017 #136

I'm objecting to you lumping in the protesters against Nazis w Nazis because it's bullshit. bettyellen Aug 2017 #84

It is really quite trumpian, wouldn't you say, to be like that?? boston bean Aug 2017 #87

No, it isn't at all just an academic exercise, because I want to do what works here. I want to erode JCanete Aug 2017 #98

I'm not the only one that "got that" and yeah, you lumped in "Bernie haters" etc upthread... bettyellen Aug 2017 #107

You are misrepresenting what I"m saying and I have no idea why. You are trying to claim that I think JCanete Aug 2017 #115

Criticizing racists entrenches racists??? Oh yah. Are you fucking playing us here? boston bean Aug 2017 #113

Criticizing racism and criticizing racists for their racism is what we should be doing. Blanketly JCanete Aug 2017 #116

Racism is deplorable. You quibble with that?? boston bean Aug 2017 #119

No. What in my last post did you see that quibbled with that. JCanete Aug 2017 #121

I suggest you watch the video in the OP. boston bean Aug 2017 #125

It's merely more "STFU about racism and sexism" because it's not my problem.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #122

I spend a lot of time talking to people who I know who are just fucking ignorant of so many of the JCanete Aug 2017 #127

I COME from those people ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #142

A societal or individual failure or incentive to not empathize. Of course its a pathology. JCanete Aug 2017 #144

Whereas blanketly insulting people as neoliberal BainsBane Aug 2017 #148

nope, I didn't say it was perfectly fine. I took care to point out that people have ascribed motives JCanete Aug 2017 #150

the problem isn't just ascribing motives BainsBane Aug 2017 #160

It's only lecturing when I'm talking? What is it when you're talking to me? I consider it JCanete Aug 2017 #168

What is happening in the country right now? BainsBane Aug 2017 #176

Its no surprise to me that scapegoating works. That's what's been working since politics. JCanete Aug 2017 #179

Please BainsBane Aug 2017 #181

then quote the words I actually said rather than putting them in my mouth. nt JCanete Aug 2017 #183

Boom! mcar Aug 2017 #197

Ouch ... burn. betsuni Aug 2017 #203

And continues to this day, on THIS board, no less. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #265

How naive. Cary Aug 2017 #184

I am sorry but you are delusional. moda253 Aug 2017 #71

I'm not suggesting we apologize for anything. Once she said it, I don't see much value in the JCanete Aug 2017 #80

No it isn't tactically stupid. moda253 Aug 2017 #97

Um...I didn't say she lost because of that, and infact in my posts you'll find me saying that there JCanete Aug 2017 #100

Obama was going up against Mitt Romney and John McCain moda253 Aug 2017 #111

You're exactly on the same page as Bannon and Miller here. Defending the Nazis is abhorrent. bettyellen Aug 2017 #78

Exactly right, IMHO Cary Aug 2017 #134

Are you for real? hrmjustin Aug 2017 #93

+++++++ JHan Aug 2017 #110

It worked quite well for Trump. OilemFirchen Aug 2017 #201

+1, Trump even said he would pay their legal bills. R B Garr Aug 2017 #239

you are right, it worked well for Trump. A divided and more hateful nation will probably cut that JCanete Aug 2017 #283

Do I want to contribute to that? OilemFirchen Aug 2017 #284

Why win hearts? JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #202

I hear you, and appreciate people's need to vent. I have grave concerns that it gets in the way of JCanete Aug 2017 #235

The deplorable comment, for which she quickly apologized, was a gaffe. It happens. Remember when StevieM Aug 2017 #231

And the KGB agents who have lived here their entire lives, some born here, who work Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #267

the racist Trump-humping assholes are a LOST CAUSE Skittles Aug 2017 #157

Who do you want to "communicate" with next election? Beacool Aug 2017 #278

Trump has proven that Hillary was correct Gothmog Aug 2017 #53

Yes, and... Mike Nelson Aug 2017 #59

Hooray for bad politics! BeyondGeography Aug 2017 #62

How come thomas frank has nothing to say about the white supremacist JI7 Aug 2017 #186

You mean the day she got 3,000,000 more votes than her opponent? Trump kept saying "rigged" Hekate Aug 2017 #227

It was not very smart for her to go after the other side's supporters. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #69

Those votes were baked in- she didn't rile up the base enough. There was so much crap about her bettyellen Aug 2017 #114

As opposed to making dismissive remarks about BainsBane Aug 2017 #152

I don't remember her doing that in the GE. If she did, that was bad too. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #159

She didn't BainsBane Aug 2017 #161

Now what are you on about? Who did what now? Who mocked concerns? Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #170

Take a tour of JPR BainsBane Aug 2017 #178

if your point is that a media can make hay of anything you say, that's absolutely true. Some JCanete Aug 2017 #164

My point was hypocrisy BainsBane Aug 2017 #173

I'll repost what I wrote above. StevieM Aug 2017 #232

"Her hatchet man Brock"? I don't think he was involved with her campaign after February 2016. George II Aug 2017 #256

K&R SalviaBlue Aug 2017 #73

History will be kind to Hillary. She tried to stop this madness. But so many didn't listen. SweetieD Aug 2017 #91

I think I despise those "purity" voters even more than I despise the trumpers lunamagica Aug 2017 #162

I was under the impression that Clinton has said the deplorable statement was a mistake. jalan48 Aug 2017 #172

She walked back the part about "half" his voters being deplorable BeyondGeography Aug 2017 #177

Sure seems that way. nt jalan48 Aug 2017 #210

So it's more awful to point out deplorableness in america JHan Aug 2017 #216

Candidates don't get points for compulsive truth telling BeyondGeography Aug 2017 #218

This is beyond political pragmatism... JHan Aug 2017 #220

I remember the "economic justice vs. social justice" threads here ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #219

You can't escape it.. JHan Aug 2017 #221

for everybody still litigating this shit Afromania Aug 2017 #182

+infinity ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #190

Such a good post! mcar Aug 2017 #198

++++++++++++++ JHan Aug 2017 #224

Excellent Post. Jakes Progress Aug 2017 #191

People here liquid diamond Aug 2017 #204

I don't care if the title of this thread is in all caps. IT SHOULD BE. LisaM Aug 2017 #205

what a repulsive thread JI7 Aug 2017 #226

Ain't it ? lunasun Aug 2017 #229

i wonder why it's allowed to keep happening JI7 Aug 2017 #230

Yes, same as "many sides." betsuni Aug 2017 #238

Still, that was her 47% moment Motownman78 Aug 2017 #236

Yet, the reality is that Trump was courting Bernie voters.... R B Garr Aug 2017 #240

that's what Trump said on Saturday "all sides" JI7 Aug 2017 #241

There is a massive difference between Romney's 47% and her statements. JHan Aug 2017 #246

Well, that guy in Ohio is worse than deplorable, he's an a-hole for voting for a POS like Trump. Beacool Aug 2017 #280

So true Meowmee Aug 2017 #243

If a pig had wings.... Indepatriot Aug 2017 #250

Clinton Machine, Democratic Establishment, out-of-touch, terrible campaign ... betsuni Aug 2017 #253

Refute any one of those assertions.. Indepatriot Aug 2017 #272

Can't refute things that don't exist. betsuni Aug 2017 #273

Hillary was only wrong in thinking that half of Trump's supporters were deplorable. Beacool Aug 2017 #274

but right now that number would be 100 percent JI7 Aug 2017 #282

Probably.......... Beacool Aug 2017 #285

Yes she was right. again. But she wasn't "PURE". So we got this orange jackass instead. Lil Missy Aug 2017 #281