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65. It's literally what you said. That you unintentionally gave credence to the fears of sexists isn't

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 02:24 PM

Aug 2017

Anything I misunderstood. Why do you insist I owe you a "generous read" when today you're actually coming up with new explainations for your "sloppiness" in communicating. You really could do with some reflecting why you singled out grievances against women as "legit", but it's obvious you're not going to do that, but instead just tell us that our reactions are not smart and valid but yours are. LOL. Nope, clumsy communication is your problem, if you didn't mean to sound like you have problems w women you'd not describe said problems as "legit". I'm over it. You said what you said, and it's sad.

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Vox: Bernie Sanders and many Democrats keep confusing identity politics with tokenism [View all] TomCADem Aug 2017 OP

Makes plenty sense to me. K and R oasis Aug 2017 #1

Optional bonus feature, or "special interest." n/t Beartracks Aug 2017 #2

KnR Hekate Aug 2017 #3

K & R SunSeeker Aug 2017 #4

we need candidates who know how to CAMPAIGN to win. losing is shit w/ consequences. pansypoo53219 Aug 2017 #5

Salon - Stop blaming identity politics: With white liberals like these, who needs the right wing? TomCADem Aug 2017 #11

no of course it isn't...starting the conversation by calling people, who yes, do behave in racist JCanete Aug 2017 #15

That is a Strawman. No One Is Saying To Call People Racists TomCADem Aug 2017 #16

Bullshit. Blue_true Aug 2017 #18

some links to support your claim? Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #19

I don't need links, it is fucking public record. Blue_true Aug 2017 #20

That is what I thought YOU AIN'T GOT SHIT!!! Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #21

Bull 'fucking' shit. GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #22

Thanks Gulfcoast, for doing your best to understand what I'm saying before JCanete Aug 2017 #25

"Women are taking THEIR JOBS and independent enough to "LEAVE THEM" is a "legit fear"?!? WTF- THEIR bettyellen Aug 2017 #31

yes, legitimate as in there is a loss there to these men who appreciated that dominance and seem JCanete Aug 2017 #40

Women took "their jobs" - so much for words mattering? They matter. Goodbye. bettyellen Aug 2017 #42

evertything else I posted was their interpretation of reality. I made the faux pas of being keenly JCanete Aug 2017 #43

You said the other fears weren't legit- the fear of women taking their jobs being free is legit fear bettyellen Aug 2017 #45

that was a sloppy mistake on my part because I was focusing on women's independence when I said that JCanete Aug 2017 #47

Wait- racists are "fucked over" because some people call them out for being racist? WTFingFuck? bettyellen Aug 2017 #28

It sounds like I wasn't very articulate, because that is not at all what I was intending to say. I JCanete Aug 2017 #29

You're blaming he victims, again and again. Now it's women taking "men's jobs" bettyellen Aug 2017 #32

holy fuck bettyellen. In the context of everytihng i've typed how is that what you took away? JCanete Aug 2017 #33

You said "women taking THEIR JOBS" is a "legitimate fear". Women's jobs are THEIR JOBS AND THERES bettyellen Aug 2017 #34

I clarified that after the fact and you can see it in the previous post. It was not what you think JCanete Aug 2017 #36

You literally agreed those jobs belong to men- their fears are legit. Own it. It's what you clearly bettyellen Aug 2017 #37

no I didn't. Look at the post I added to. ...Fuck it, I'll post it again here. I absolutely did no JCanete Aug 2017 #39

You called he idea women's jobs "their (men's) jobs" legit. Not sure what you're going on about... bettyellen Aug 2017 #41

No, being honest would be honest. At no point have I lied about my intent. If you want me to JCanete Aug 2017 #44

You articulated fears of women and legitimized them, period. You took pains to make a distinction bettyellen Aug 2017 #46

and what I meant by legit, i've already explained. What is your problem with that meaning, not your JCanete Aug 2017 #48

Words have meaning- you've elevated sexism to the level of legitimate bettyellen Aug 2017 #49

Is it legitimate fear for a war-criminal to dread being tried for war crimes? JCanete Aug 2017 #50

WTF does that have to do with women who have freedom? Nothing. Unless you're a bettyellen Aug 2017 #51

how did you miss the point of this? me saying something was legitimate had to do with whether the JCanete Aug 2017 #52

This is not an honest reply, sorry. The contortions you need to go through are gross. bettyellen Aug 2017 #54

I'm not suggesting we're creating problems for bigots and sexists. So nope, nope, nope, right back JCanete Aug 2017 #55

Yeah, it's exactly what you said. Multiple times. That's the idea you keep floating here. bettyellen Aug 2017 #56

snippet from my original fucking post....jesus christ: JCanete Aug 2017 #57

You singled out those fears as legit. That's some creepy ass shit. bettyellen Aug 2017 #58

Now you're both accusing me of saying "fuck them" and also sympathizing with them simultaneously. JCanete Aug 2017 #60

Jesus -it's your own words. I can't help it if your arguments are inconsistent and sexist in part bettyellen Aug 2017 #63

you are being intentionally obtuse. You know that's not what I was saying. You are the one JCanete Aug 2017 #64

It's literally what you said. That you unintentionally gave credence to the fears of sexists isn't bettyellen Aug 2017 #65

those people are not victims. they are trashy fucking losers who should be called out on it JI7 Aug 2017 #35

Our candidate won 2.9 million more popular votes. Under our system she could have won10 million more pnwmom Aug 2017 #59

Past time we woke. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #6

That quote is enlightening. lapucelle Aug 2017 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author ciaobaby Aug 2017 #26

K&R JHan Aug 2017 #8

K&R mcar Aug 2017 #9

Another K&R NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #10

This needs to be repeated often and loudly. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #12

K&R! betsuni Aug 2017 #13

K&R Jamaal510 Aug 2017 #14

K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #17

Is this what you meant when you said "I plan to write a little more about this" Rob H. Aug 2017 #23

I Am Not Going to Say I Told You So... TomCADem Aug 2017 #24

K&R Well thanks for reposting I never saw it the first time lunasun Aug 2017 #61

Jeeze - the last time I posted an old (2016) article I nearly got run out of town. ciaobaby Aug 2017 #27

Not Just Bernie. Bill Mahrer and Debbie Dingell Also Have Triangulated TomCADem Aug 2017 #38

Interesting quakerboy Aug 2017 #53

K&R. lunamagica Aug 2017 #30

Yep how's that blaming identity politics thingy working out . Same as that MAGA thingy lunasun Aug 2017 #62