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In reply to the discussion: Stone Mt. - Needs to be dynamited [View all]kwassa
(23,340 posts)20. but it is about domination, not history. The KKK.
The carving was conceived by Mrs. C. Helen Plane, a charter member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC). The Venable Brothers, owners of the mountain, deeded the north face of the mountain to the UDC in 1916. The UDC was given 12 years to complete a sizable Civil War monument. Gutzon Borglum was commissioned to do the carving. Borglum abandoned the project in 1925 (and later went on to begin Mount Rushmore). American sculptor Augustus Lukeman continued until 1928, when further work stopped for thirty years. In 1958, at the urging of Governor Marvin Griffin, the Georgia legislature approved a measure to purchase Stone Mountain for $1,125,000. In 1963, Walker Hancock was selected to complete the carving, and work began in 1964. The carving was completed by Roy Faulkner, who later operated a museum (now closed) on nearby Memorial Drive commemorating the carving's history. The carving was considered complete[7] on March 3, 1972.
Carving and the Ku Klux Klan
The revival of the Ku Klux Klan was emboldened by the release of D. W. Griffith's Klan-glorifying film The Birth of a Nation,[8] and coincided with the August 1915 lynching of Leo Frank. On November 25 of the same year, a small group, including fifteen robed and hooded "charter members" of the new organization, met at Stone Mountain to create a new iteration of the Klan. They were led by William J. Simmons, and included two elderly members of the original Klan. As part of their ceremony, they burned a crude cross.[9]
Fundraising for the monument resumed in 1923. In October of that year, Venable granted the Klan easement with perpetual right to hold celebrations as they desired.[10] The influence of the UDC continued, in support of Mrs. Plane's vision of a carving explicitly for the purpose of creating a Confederate memorial. The UDC established the Stone Mountain Confederate Memorial Association (SMCMA) for fundraising and on-site supervision of the project. Venable and Gutzon Borglum, who were both closely associated with the Klan, arranged to pack the SMCMA with Klan members.[11] The SMCMA, along with the United Daughters of the Confederacy continued fundraising efforts. Of the $250,000 raised, part came from the federal government, which in 1925 issued special fifty-cent coins with the soldiers Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson on them, but would not allow the politician Jefferson Davis to be included.[12] When the state completed the purchase in 1960, it condemned the property to remove Venable's agreement to allow the Klan perpetual right to hold meetings on the premises.[11]
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WAY overdue to remove this blight... along with the pix of slave owners that adorn U.S. currency.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Aug 2017
#177
Personally, I think it could stay as long as they add the lessons of history as in my sigline
hlthe2b
Aug 2017
#4
Are the Germans and France destroying history by outlawing swastikas and Nazi symbols?
Hassin Bin Sober
Aug 2017
#29
don'tyou even fucking go there.......... next are you going to call me a racist??
Angry Dragon
Aug 2017
#107
I'm calling you someone who's okay with racism; you can decide if that makes you a racist (n/t)
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2017
#108
You're not a Southerner; you're not a Georgian, you have no dog in this fight.
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2017
#126
If you're sad at a symbol of white supremacy being gone? Then you kind of are in favour of evil!
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2017
#135
It was expressly political in intent. It can't be divorced from that.
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2017
#141
You do know the KKK are bad guys, right? Racist murderers. Glorifying that is wrong.
uppityperson
Aug 2017
#183
How does destroying a statue or carving destroy history? This is a serious question as I don't
uppityperson
Aug 2017
#181
Perhaps it's a stone version of Piss Christ. Distasteful political statement to most, art to some.
TheBlackAdder
Aug 2017
#72
actually it was kinda pretty, but not into religious stuff. a crucifix in a urine filled thing.
pansypoo53219
Aug 2017
#97
Why not? 40-60 years from now, we could have an organization called...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2017
#156
There's a difference between acknowledging history and celebrating those who participated...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2017
#166
Considering the Atlantic slave trade was outlawed in the United States by 1808, Americans.
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2017
#168
Are you seriously trying to justify the slave trade? And compared it to modern migrant workers?
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2017
#170
And I'm trying to figure out what relevance that has to the subject...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2017
#174
You started with this nonsense on "state rights", being overly pedantic...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2017
#182
It is gang related grafitti in my book, and the rock should undergo a restoration.
Kleveland
Aug 2017
#13
When I was in high school in the 70s, the KKK had meetings there every year.
CozyMystery
Aug 2017
#16
Slave owners in a less enlightened time. That doesn't make it OK, not at all.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Aug 2017
#129
The fundamental difference between Stone Mt and the Municiple Confederate Statues
grantcart
Aug 2017
#31
The difference is the difference between Auschwitz and a statue of Hitler (n/t)
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2017
#103
I'd sandblast the confederate war leaders and replace it with something Georgia could be very proud
DBoon
Aug 2017
#76
The Allman Brothers riding horses with the song "Midnight Rider" blasting would be great.
Elwood P Dowd
Aug 2017
#92
The carving is bad enough. The fact the family that owned it started the KKK in Georgia is worse.
Hoyt
Aug 2017
#79
Nope, we're interpreting these monuments by the standards their creators intended.
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2017
#113
Nonsense, its not about the Civil War and history, its about American society and race TODAY.
fleabiscuit
Aug 2017
#152
When those thoughts are expressed, the board is private and against progressive...
Humanist_Activist
Aug 2017
#162
That is up to Georgia. Unless we live in Georgia, we should stay out of it.
Demsrule86
Aug 2017
#187