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Gothmog

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34. The term alt left is a bogus term invented by Sean Hannity to include all non-trump supporters

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 04:43 PM

Aug 2017

This term has no real meaning in the real world. In the real world, a common mistake is to accept the terminology of the other side. Accepting such terminology is a good way to lose the argument.

I really do not believe that the term "alt-left" has any real meaning other that on Fox News and in trump's head. We can use the term as a joke but we make a mistake if we let Trump and Fox control the terminology of the debate.

Since I do not accept the validity of the term "alt left", I also believe that it is silly to argue which non-trump supporters this term applies to. Getting is such a debate gives validity to an otherwise meaningless term

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There's folks who are CALLED "alt-left", and there are Bernie supporters...they are not the same. [View all] Ken Burch Aug 2017 OP

There is no "alt-left." That's a word invented to create a false equivalency The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #1

Neither you nor I nor Ken spread alt-right conspiracy theories but some self-avowed 'leftists' do emulatorloo Aug 2017 #13

I'm just objecting to the term "alt-left." The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #16

Yeah the term is hinky. Trump framing and he is a liar. Best to drop it at DU. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #39

Alt-left is a an alt-right creation to make their extremes seem normal, a counter balance to... brush Aug 2017 #24

Exactly! It's the right-wing 'what-about-ism' they use to justify their hate... WoonTars Aug 2017 #27

I wasn't actually endorsing the use of the term "alt-left". Ken Burch Aug 2017 #32

Of course you aren't. Again thanks for the thread emulatorloo Aug 2017 #35

Yes DU should reject the term. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #36

THERE'S NOT ALT LEFT !!! Come on guys lets get with the propaganda uponit7771 Aug 2017 #2

Exactly. Alt Left would be Communism or the promotion of state control of all business and industry. jalan48 Aug 2017 #3

No, nothing "alt" about that rogerashton Aug 2017 #59

Can we just all agree - there is NO, NO alt-left.....I am all for Unity - asiliveandbreathe Aug 2017 #4

I've amended the thread title-never actually endorsed the idea that there's a true "alt-left" Ken Burch Aug 2017 #7

"alt-left" is just bs eleny Aug 2017 #5

Ditch "alt left," ditch "neoliberals," ditch "bros" as terms. David__77 Aug 2017 #6

Well-put. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #9

Nonsense Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #18

Ok...and you're maybe talking about 1,000 people in the whole country. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #30

Unfortunately, I think your numbers are way off. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #43

hmmmm Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #56

I don't believe that. Nt G_j Aug 2017 #71

And take some of the best tools out of the toolbox? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #55

There is no alt left ornotna Aug 2017 #8

I've amended the thread title. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #10

If only people would stop building straw men kcr Aug 2017 #14

The amended one is fine ornotna Aug 2017 #15

horrible to criticize those who threw John Lewis and Planned Parenthood under the bus. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #23

Which one is Michael Tracey, who implored Dem voters to stay home? Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #11

Oh you mean the martyr who was beaten by evil Democrat Maxine Waters? emulatorloo Aug 2017 #28

yeah, he's a trolly little fuck Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #61

Saying something doesn't exist, when it clarly does, doesn't make it so. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #12

funny G_j Aug 2017 #72

Yes. Funny how some people get so defensive. betsuni Aug 2017 #75

Nobody equates the two. Nobody ever did. DanTex Aug 2017 #17

Spot on! Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #20

'Nobody equates the two. Nobody ever did." melman Aug 2017 #21

Sadly, You think every mention of BoB's is about you. You aren't a buster, you are a progressive emulatorloo Aug 2017 #25

The term does get used to try and silence or drive people away Ken Burch Aug 2017 #38

I guess I have been fortunate, I have never seen a DU'er call a fellow DU'er that. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #45

It was an artificially-created division, and some people still don't want to let it end. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #48

Right melman Aug 2017 #49

Anyone who equates the two is a dumb binary thinker. If it is a "position" at DU it is certainly emulatorloo Aug 2017 #57

"booted out for their views." Are you kidding? How many times have we been told here that JCanete Aug 2017 #22

If it violates TOS alert. Otherwise push back on the tiny minority who says that. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #26

You can always find several threads on that theme here. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #47

I keep trying to remind folks we are surrounded by fellow left liberals and progressives emulatorloo Aug 2017 #51

And it means a lot that you do that. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #62

Oh I am definitely not all sunshine and cotton candy, lol emulatorloo Aug 2017 #64

No, I'm not kidding. That's exactly what Nina Turner and single payer litmus test is. DanTex Aug 2017 #44

nobody should assume corruption, or evil, and where I see that I say so, though we hardly ever JCanete Aug 2017 #58

Of course financial connections should not be off the table. DanTex Aug 2017 #70

She called him a free-loafer, as if the party itself doesn't have a lot of democrats who invited him JCanete Aug 2017 #74

Which is a specific reference to his joining the party out of convenience, then leaving it, DanTex Aug 2017 #78

I didn't say they were the same, I said what Joy is doing is problematic, and she has far greater JCanete Aug 2017 #81

I don't think its problematic. At worst, she's mistaken. DanTex Aug 2017 #82

I get what your saying, but you are finding somebody who doesn't have massive appeal JCanete Aug 2017 #83

I don't know how to measure appeal, but Jimmy Dore and TYT aren't just nothing. DanTex Aug 2017 #84

It came to Bernie running because nobody identified as a Dem Ken Burch Aug 2017 #67

I don't doubt your sincere desire to help. At all. DanTex Aug 2017 #73

Actually, her campaign rescinded the concession on TPP. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #76

She was officially against TPP in the general election. DanTex Aug 2017 #80

There were many things she could not control(and I have no personal issue with her) Ken Burch Aug 2017 #85

But do voters actually have short memories? Do voters actually care about policies? DanTex Aug 2017 #86

baloney. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #31

Yep. A lot of us remember. Things got out of hand, didn't they? kcr Aug 2017 #40

Sure, although I'm pretty sure I didn't throw around stupid invective or do group-based name calling Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #50

Yes, it is completely reasonable to say both sides have some blame kcr Aug 2017 #60

Everyone had bullshit thrown at them during the primaries. DanTex Aug 2017 #52

if that makes your life more fulfilling, enjoy. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #54

Thank you! Why is Trump's manipulative bullshit suddenly framing people's thoughts? bettyellen Aug 2017 #37

Yes, People who counter-protested are patriots emulatorloo Aug 2017 #66

All Dems denounce those Nazis. Trump is ridiculous to try and claim otherwise. bettyellen Aug 2017 #69

+1, OP WORTHY !!! uponit7771 Aug 2017 #65

+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #77

+1 Maven Aug 2017 #79

Bravo Ken emulatorloo Aug 2017 #19

The problem is the gaslighting kcr Aug 2017 #29

"alt-left" is a misnomer. Even saying Bernie supporters are ''far-left'' is incorrect. YOHABLO Aug 2017 #33

Wasn't FDR an internationalist who bucked the tide of nativist-isolationism... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #53

The term alt left is a bogus term invented by Sean Hannity to include all non-trump supporters Gothmog Aug 2017 #34

Every argument against the OP in this thread HopeAgain Aug 2017 #41

And it's a good sign that there aren't that many arguments against the actual premise of my OP Ken Burch Aug 2017 #63

We shouldn't even be using alt-left mvd Aug 2017 #42

There is no alt left. Trump made that up. applegrove Aug 2017 #46

The fact is, Trump was using the term in a completely different context. And that matters. kcr Aug 2017 #68