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JCanete

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58. nobody should assume corruption, or evil, and where I see that I say so, though we hardly ever
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:03 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:49 PM - Edit history (1)

see that here at DU. I've seen one that I sat on jury service for, bashing Booker, and that got promptly removed.

But it is a ridiculous argument to suggest that financial
connections should not be on the table for criticism. We can't ignore that elephant in the room. It does factor on one side of the equation or another. If it isn't affecting the policy decisions of our politicians, which, damn that would be hard to entirely swallow, it is alternatively affecting which horses the big money backs and propels to the top of the ticket. Either way, there's something the big money likes about a candidate, or really dislikes about that candidates potential rivals.

"A bunch" is an apt way to put that. I'd hardly put the loss at their feet.

Yes, Jimmy Dore can be problematic, (and edit to add that I rarely listen to him because of that venom). If you don't think the likes of Joy Reid's crusade against Bernie supporters is problematic, well then there's the double-standard.

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There is no "alt-left." That's a word invented to create a false equivalency The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #1
Neither you nor I nor Ken spread alt-right conspiracy theories but some self-avowed 'leftists' do emulatorloo Aug 2017 #13
I'm just objecting to the term "alt-left." The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #16
Yeah the term is hinky. Trump framing and he is a liar. Best to drop it at DU. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #39
Alt-left is a an alt-right creation to make their extremes seem normal, a counter balance to... brush Aug 2017 #24
Exactly! It's the right-wing 'what-about-ism' they use to justify their hate... WoonTars Aug 2017 #27
I wasn't actually endorsing the use of the term "alt-left". Ken Burch Aug 2017 #32
Of course you aren't. Again thanks for the thread emulatorloo Aug 2017 #35
Yes DU should reject the term. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #36
THERE'S NOT ALT LEFT !!! Come on guys lets get with the propaganda uponit7771 Aug 2017 #2
Exactly. Alt Left would be Communism or the promotion of state control of all business and industry. jalan48 Aug 2017 #3
No, nothing "alt" about that rogerashton Aug 2017 #59
Can we just all agree - there is NO, NO alt-left.....I am all for Unity - asiliveandbreathe Aug 2017 #4
I've amended the thread title-never actually endorsed the idea that there's a true "alt-left" Ken Burch Aug 2017 #7
"alt-left" is just bs eleny Aug 2017 #5
Ditch "alt left," ditch "neoliberals," ditch "bros" as terms. David__77 Aug 2017 #6
Well-put. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #9
Nonsense Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #18
Ok...and you're maybe talking about 1,000 people in the whole country. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #30
Unfortunately, I think your numbers are way off. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #43
hmmmm Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #56
I don't believe that. Nt G_j Aug 2017 #71
And take some of the best tools out of the toolbox? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #55
There is no alt left ornotna Aug 2017 #8
I've amended the thread title. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #10
If only people would stop building straw men kcr Aug 2017 #14
The amended one is fine ornotna Aug 2017 #15
horrible to criticize those who threw John Lewis and Planned Parenthood under the bus. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #23
Which one is Michael Tracey, who implored Dem voters to stay home? Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #11
Oh you mean the martyr who was beaten by evil Democrat Maxine Waters? emulatorloo Aug 2017 #28
yeah, he's a trolly little fuck Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #61
Saying something doesn't exist, when it clarly does, doesn't make it so. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #12
funny G_j Aug 2017 #72
Yes. Funny how some people get so defensive. betsuni Aug 2017 #75
Nobody equates the two. Nobody ever did. DanTex Aug 2017 #17
Spot on! Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #20
'Nobody equates the two. Nobody ever did." melman Aug 2017 #21
Sadly, You think every mention of BoB's is about you. You aren't a buster, you are a progressive emulatorloo Aug 2017 #25
The term does get used to try and silence or drive people away Ken Burch Aug 2017 #38
I guess I have been fortunate, I have never seen a DU'er call a fellow DU'er that. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #45
It was an artificially-created division, and some people still don't want to let it end. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #48
Right melman Aug 2017 #49
Anyone who equates the two is a dumb binary thinker. If it is a "position" at DU it is certainly emulatorloo Aug 2017 #57
"booted out for their views." Are you kidding? How many times have we been told here that JCanete Aug 2017 #22
If it violates TOS alert. Otherwise push back on the tiny minority who says that. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #26
You can always find several threads on that theme here. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #47
I keep trying to remind folks we are surrounded by fellow left liberals and progressives emulatorloo Aug 2017 #51
And it means a lot that you do that. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #62
Oh I am definitely not all sunshine and cotton candy, lol emulatorloo Aug 2017 #64
No, I'm not kidding. That's exactly what Nina Turner and single payer litmus test is. DanTex Aug 2017 #44
nobody should assume corruption, or evil, and where I see that I say so, though we hardly ever JCanete Aug 2017 #58
Of course financial connections should not be off the table. DanTex Aug 2017 #70
She called him a free-loafer, as if the party itself doesn't have a lot of democrats who invited him JCanete Aug 2017 #74
Which is a specific reference to his joining the party out of convenience, then leaving it, DanTex Aug 2017 #78
I didn't say they were the same, I said what Joy is doing is problematic, and she has far greater JCanete Aug 2017 #81
I don't think its problematic. At worst, she's mistaken. DanTex Aug 2017 #82
I get what your saying, but you are finding somebody who doesn't have massive appeal JCanete Aug 2017 #83
I don't know how to measure appeal, but Jimmy Dore and TYT aren't just nothing. DanTex Aug 2017 #84
It came to Bernie running because nobody identified as a Dem Ken Burch Aug 2017 #67
I don't doubt your sincere desire to help. At all. DanTex Aug 2017 #73
Actually, her campaign rescinded the concession on TPP. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #76
She was officially against TPP in the general election. DanTex Aug 2017 #80
There were many things she could not control(and I have no personal issue with her) Ken Burch Aug 2017 #85
But do voters actually have short memories? Do voters actually care about policies? DanTex Aug 2017 #86
baloney. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #31
Yep. A lot of us remember. Things got out of hand, didn't they? kcr Aug 2017 #40
Sure, although I'm pretty sure I didn't throw around stupid invective or do group-based name calling Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #50
Yes, it is completely reasonable to say both sides have some blame kcr Aug 2017 #60
Everyone had bullshit thrown at them during the primaries. DanTex Aug 2017 #52
if that makes your life more fulfilling, enjoy. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #54
Thank you! Why is Trump's manipulative bullshit suddenly framing people's thoughts? bettyellen Aug 2017 #37
Yes, People who counter-protested are patriots emulatorloo Aug 2017 #66
All Dems denounce those Nazis. Trump is ridiculous to try and claim otherwise. bettyellen Aug 2017 #69
+1, OP WORTHY !!! uponit7771 Aug 2017 #65
+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #77
+1 Maven Aug 2017 #79
Bravo Ken emulatorloo Aug 2017 #19
The problem is the gaslighting kcr Aug 2017 #29
"alt-left" is a misnomer. Even saying Bernie supporters are ''far-left'' is incorrect. YOHABLO Aug 2017 #33
Wasn't FDR an internationalist who bucked the tide of nativist-isolationism... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #53
The term alt left is a bogus term invented by Sean Hannity to include all non-trump supporters Gothmog Aug 2017 #34
Every argument against the OP in this thread HopeAgain Aug 2017 #41
And it's a good sign that there aren't that many arguments against the actual premise of my OP Ken Burch Aug 2017 #63
We shouldn't even be using alt-left mvd Aug 2017 #42
There is no alt left. Trump made that up. applegrove Aug 2017 #46
The fact is, Trump was using the term in a completely different context. And that matters. kcr Aug 2017 #68
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