Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
43. Astrology is BS. Astronomy is not.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 03:45 PM
Aug 2017

The effect of Jupiter's gravity on the earth is not zero, but it is negligible. Jupiter's main effect on Earth is that it tends to pull in rogue asteroids and thereby reduce the number of asteroids that could threaten Earth. Of course it could also change the orbital trajectory of formerly 'safe' asteroids and cause them to threaten earth.

This page does a decent job of explaining the pull of other planets on the earth.
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=3396

Answer 1:
Other planets have almost no effect on Earth's gravitational pull. All objects (including planets) are attracted to each other by the force of gravity. How strong this attraction is depends on the size of the objects (mass) and how far apart they are. Earth's gravitational pull on an object depends only on how far away that object is and the mass of that object. The total gravitational pull that the object feels could be affected by other large objects nearby, but because the other planets are very far away, the strength of that gravitational attraction is extremely small and can be ignored.

Even though the sun is also very far away its gravitational pull on the planets (including Earth) is much stronger than the pull of the planets on each other because it so much larger than any of the planets. (The sun is over 1000 times more massive than Jupiter and over a million times more massive than Mars). So all of the planets (Earth included) travel around the sun in elliptical (that is, nearly circular) orbits. A planet's orbit can be very slightly changed by the gravitational pull of another large relatively nearby planet. This small effect will be greater the farther the planets are from the sun, the closer they are to each other and the larger they are. Although this effect is very tiny, it can be measurable. In fact, before Neptune was discovered, 19th century astronomers noticed irregularities in Uranus’s orbit and realized that this was a result of the gravitational pull of a planet beyond Uranus (i.e. Neptune). They were even able to correctly calculate where this “new” planet should be.


The sun and moon both affect Earth's tides, the sun has a smaller effect because it's so much further away. Sometimes the tides are pulling in the same direction and magnify each other (called spring tides). Sometimes they pull in orthogonal directions and tides are smaller (called neap tides).

Here's a neat GIF of tides and Earth.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #1
Well...Every Gemini I ever met was a little crazy. Funtatlaguy Aug 2017 #2
Gemini - The Sad Clown Who Never Shuts Up dalton99a Aug 2017 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #12
I gotta disagree... inanna Aug 2017 #16
Did someone call him dignified? smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #28
The poster (now removed from DU) was praising the "dignified air" of tRump. n/t inanna Aug 2017 #31
I find it so interesting how people on opposite sides of the political spectrum can smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #56
Most of the WORLD sees tRump as completely undignified. inanna Aug 2017 #59
What the f***? Control-Z Aug 2017 #20
Ooga Booga. Maybe if we throw some virgins into the volcano, everything will get better. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #3
But what about my '66 mustang??? ;-) Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #17
And my 65 and 1/2? think4yourself Aug 2017 #22
Seriously!! Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #25
How do you know that?? kentuck Aug 2017 #30
The formula is in my post. But I goofed! The force from a Ford Mustang is a little bit smaller. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #41
Can't argue with that, Professor. kentuck Aug 2017 #45
Your math is still a little off VMA131Marine Aug 2017 #64
Hah! THAT explains why I only got a C in high school physics! n/t Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #67
Would Saturn's gravitational pull on Jupiter lessen Jupiter's on Earth, or something? brush Aug 2017 #89
Seems like it would depend on the location of Saturn to both? kentuck Aug 2017 #90
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Aug 2017 #39
Elementary physics. Two objects with mass exert gravitatrional force on each other. Period. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #42
Go H2O Man Aug 2017 #44
Science: kentuck Aug 2017 #46
Mt horror-scope H2O Man Aug 2017 #51
I shouldn't have H2O Man Aug 2017 #54
Please say you're joking FiveGoodMen Aug 2017 #58
No way. H2O Man Aug 2017 #66
Whew! (relief) FiveGoodMen Aug 2017 #68
When they go low, H2O Man Aug 2017 #69
We put Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan into one, and all it got us was the Gulf War Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #63
Pure superstition. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #14
No, I'm a fire sign. QED. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #19
My Psychic Numerologist says that Astrology is bullshit. NightWatcher Aug 2017 #5
And besides, I'm a Virgo, and we Virgos are too logical to believe in astrology. n/t Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #7
Wait, didn't they just change everybody's sign recently? NightWatcher Aug 2017 #10
And besides, I'm a Virgo, and we Virgos are to logical to NOT believe in astrology. n/t calikid Aug 2017 #82
"too logical" Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #84
Why would an eclipse have a gravitational effect? eShirl Aug 2017 #8
Simple lunatica Aug 2017 #13
combined gravitational pull of the Sun and the Moon every month . Ptah Aug 2017 #18
It's very common as you point out lunatica Aug 2017 #73
So how much does the moon's gravitational pull change because of the eclipse? eShirl Aug 2017 #57
? lunatica Aug 2017 #74
The gravitational pull of the Moon varies slightly during the month Jim Lane Aug 2017 #91
my point to the OP eShirl Aug 2017 #92
Groan. DavidDvorkin Aug 2017 #9
Total Solar Eclipses occur somewhere on Earth every two years RandiFan1290 Aug 2017 #11
Neil deGrasse Tyson? kentuck Aug 2017 #49
Woulf you feel better if it were someone else's tweet? Nevernose Aug 2017 #77
There is something to astrology, just nothing scientific. HeartachesNhangovers Aug 2017 #15
astronomy does not equal astrology. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #23
I wouldn't be so harsh. Astrology can provide HeartachesNhangovers Aug 2017 #60
pay no attention to the long time library troll that crapped all over this thread (thanks, EarlG!) NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #24
Am I sure the position of the stars relative to Earth doesn't affect personality? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #26
I would have gone with "Relatively certain" for the nod to Einstein. aidbo Aug 2017 #48
The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but ourselves Adrahil Aug 2017 #27
Quite sure, yes. DanTex Aug 2017 #29
The owl entrails I read MFM008 Aug 2017 #32
Well, I guess there is "something" to it, causes people to waste bandwidth on the intertubes snooper2 Aug 2017 #33
:)___ kentuck Aug 2017 #37
This eclipse, according to astrologers, is supposed to be ruinous to Trump. I'm very happy to Squinch Aug 2017 #34
The traditional "effect" of an eclipse was to take out a ruler -- RandomAccess Aug 2017 #61
All signs point to ... GeorgeGist Aug 2017 #35
Good thing our bodies are only 80% water, else... kentuck Aug 2017 #36
Or the uterus... Squinch Aug 2017 #65
I Am Absolutely Certain That There Is Nothing to Astrology Leith Aug 2017 #38
Never be "absolutely certain" about anything. The time of year when one is born McCamy Taylor Aug 2017 #85
The last Total Solar Eclipse that ONLY touched the United States was in 1776 ecstatic Aug 2017 #40
That one in 2024 will hit more countries than just the US. aidbo Aug 2017 #47
That would be kinda fun!!!! LeftInTX Aug 2017 #53
Also notice the two intersect in southern Illinois . Obama strikes once more! lunasun Aug 2017 #78
Astrology is BS. Astronomy is not. aidbo Aug 2017 #43
Thanks! kentuck Aug 2017 #50
I think it's a sign. underpants Aug 2017 #52
Me too! workinclasszero Aug 2017 #70
According to this article the astrology signs are not what they were 2200 years ago . jalan48 Aug 2017 #55
This is a joke, right? Right? n/t NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #62
Don't forget we had a President and his wife who believed wholeheartedly in astrology. Archae Aug 2017 #71
... struggle4progress Aug 2017 #72
pretty sure, yeah 0rganism Aug 2017 #75
The timing is uncanny... Blue Owl Aug 2017 #76
What I'm actually afraid of, eclipse-wise Nevernose Aug 2017 #79
It is a most def sign jpak Aug 2017 #80
Please do pay attention to the signs. Some jerk on the way home didn't seem to notice the STOP lunasun Aug 2017 #81
You might have had better luck with this in the Astrology group! Lucinda Aug 2017 #83
Study quantum theory and you will understand that "reality" is an illusion. McCamy Taylor Aug 2017 #86
Our country's mars is in some serious retrograde. ananda Aug 2017 #87
It's the year of the rooster Donkees Aug 2017 #88
Yes, I'm sure there is nothing to Astrology FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #93
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Are you sure there is not...»Reply #43