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Romulox

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15. Right. But Lakoff's "framing" theory suggests every frame introduces its own opposite.

Sat Jul 14, 2012, 02:53 PM

Jul 2012

So, for example, Nixon's "I am not a crook!" suggests that just maybe he is a crook.

So when the President brings up trade and outsourcing, claiming he is for American jobs, it necessarily introduces the converse frame--i.e. maybe he isn't for American jobs.

And then BAM--there is factual ammo to back up that negative frame, on some level.

Thus, it is better to leave the issue entirely unmentioned, imo, when one's ideology and one's opponents are so vaguely differentiated.

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"Made in America" is a very strong message. [View all] kentuck Jul 2012 OP

While people understand in the abstract that "jobs have been lost," I think more people need to Brickbat Jul 2012 #1

It means something because it's so rare. dkf Jul 2012 #2

I think it is a stronger message than ever Johonny Jul 2012 #3

Yep. kentuck Jul 2012 #4

Goods produced by American prisoners should also be labeled as such. justice1 Jul 2012 #5

Honda of Ohio was using prison labor to compete against my unionized company NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #8

Solution? "Free trade" with Korea! Romulox Jul 2012 #38

Talking more nonsense, eh? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #41

Paraphrasing you, friend! nt Romulox Jul 2012 #43

How can you pass Free Trade with Korea, and now Trans-Pacific Partnership while pushing Romulox Jul 2012 #6

the strategy is deliver for your corporate owners and lie to the public over and over nt msongs Jul 2012 #7

How true! n/t amandabeech Jul 2012 #27

Are you suggesting we had "fair" trade with Korea before this? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #10

You know *damn well* that "free trade" with Korea will put Americans out of work. Just like NAFTA. Romulox Jul 2012 #11

You avoided answering my question NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #12

And I'll take your non-answer as a concession that "free trade" with Korea will cost jobs. Romulox Jul 2012 #13

that you got screwed in the 80s doesn't mean that this deal won't screw more people. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #18

No success getting an answer from the poster above so I will try it with you NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #21

no. trade has always been managed for the benefit of the biggest boys on the block. and from HiPointDem Jul 2012 #22

What do you recommend doing about this decades old trade imbalance then? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #23

i recommend the organization of the working class outside the direction of the bought-off union HiPointDem Jul 2012 #25

You are saying our unions are bought off and corrupt NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #30

"Sounds more like a right wing talking point." = by design in the stage-managed realm of official HiPointDem Jul 2012 #33

I had a discussion about this with one of my oldest and trusted friends just last week over lunch NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #35

By their fruits, etc. I support labor and unions that support labor. Support of labor means HiPointDem Jul 2012 #36

Um, dude? YOU are the one pushing "free trade". YOU. Who was she talking about, again? nt Romulox Jul 2012 #37

You must be confusing me with someone else NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #40

"Fair Trade" is a fairy tale. You are pushing "FREE TRADE" with Korea. As it exists. In THIS world. Romulox Jul 2012 #42

What we had when my job and millions of others were shipped out of the country was free trade NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #44

That is not how the "free trade" deal with Korea works. Nor the TPP. You can't just make shit up. Romulox Jul 2012 #45

I kind of thought it was going to be over your head NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #47

Yes. Your fantasy world remains locked up in your own head. I suggest an insult, then a retreat. Romulox Jul 2012 #48

PS: I get sick of all this attention-seeking. The only reason there is ambiguity here Romulox Jul 2012 #46

It's still a strong message... kentuck Jul 2012 #14

Right. But Lakoff's "framing" theory suggests every frame introduces its own opposite. Romulox Jul 2012 #15

But, then again... kentuck Jul 2012 #16

I don't see it. Remember, Obama is trying to pass TPP simultaneously... nt Romulox Jul 2012 #17

The Party should vote against him. kentuck Jul 2012 #19

Today's Slate: "The Fake Headlines: Neither Obama Nor Romney Is Against Offshoring" Romulox Jul 2012 #20

I recall that Obama said during the last campaign that.. kentuck Jul 2012 #24

He then abandoned his pledge to renegotiate NAFTA, passed George W. Bush's "Free trade" with Korea, Romulox Jul 2012 #39

And his supporters said nothing. kentuck Jul 2012 #49

Nonsense. His supporters told us we should either vote for Mittens, else shut our mouths. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #50

Damn right! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2012 #9

I'd like all the cameras covering American athletes to be made in America 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #26

I hear that. The revolution against foreign outsourcing is on. Zalatix Jul 2012 #28

Anybody tell the manufactures of the 1% ? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #31

What's red , white and made in China ? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #29

I couldn't agree with you more! C Span B Calm Jul 2012 #32

The valid points that some folks have made... kentuck Jul 2012 #34