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15. Wow........

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:38 PM

Aug 2017

She makes records that people LOVE to listen to and pay money to listen to them. They also want to see her in concert and love watching her. It makes people happy and their life more enjoyable. Just like sports and movies. Get a grip.

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Beyonce just bought a mansion for $90 MILLION BUCKS [View all] jodymarie aimee Aug 2017 OP

Well, she's part of one of the most successful couples in entertainment. She's a good Dem. bettyellen Aug 2017 #1

I think it's too much freakin' money for anybody to waste on a place to live. pangaia Aug 2017 #89

Well on both coasts rea estate prices are ridiculous for everyone so yeah.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #97

I'm not targeting her. pangaia Aug 2017 #99

She in particular has been targeted unfairly.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #201

Successful women always are, successful POC women especially obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #208

Isn't that the truth! WhiteTara Aug 2017 #215

Yup. How much is too much $? demosincebirth Aug 2017 #227

There sure is ,remember here after she did the Superbowl half time? lunasun Aug 2017 #197

There always is, but let Donald Trump say something racist about Beyonce... SaschaHM Aug 2017 #199

That's not wasting money, it's conserving it, investing it. Safer than the stock market. brush Aug 2017 #186

Well it's also spending on foods and services ... bettyellen Aug 2017 #200

Isn't it wonderful for two beautiful talented hard working people to accomplish so much their young RestoreAmerica2020 Aug 2017 #308

That's a bargain in this neighborhood... Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #2

Interesting. eShirl Aug 2017 #3

Don't hate; congratulate... ADX Aug 2017 #4

Why are you counting other folks money? She and her husband are both billionaires... HipChick Aug 2017 #5

Maybe because idolatry of gross materialism is what has our society in the shape it's in? misanthrope Aug 2017 #145

Always the women who are attacked in this manner. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #262

Yep, no one has ever said the same about a man, including the POTUS misanthrope Aug 2017 #311

45 was born with a silver spoon...but Beyonce who works hard doesn't deserve her money... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #321

Why single her out? She's mastered her craft, ecstatic Aug 2017 #6

Nice looking pad. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #7

I wonder how long it will take Jay Z to mow the grass underpants Aug 2017 #172

Nice Home erpowers Aug 2017 #190

Nice to see her get ahead. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #8

Is that sarcasm? LOL... pangaia Aug 2017 #92

I can't get that excited about rich celebrities. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #110

OK. We're cool. pangaia Aug 2017 #124

Better her than , say, Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #126

Cheapskate! The garage for my collection of Rolls Royces cost more than that. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #9

So what? Catherine Vincent Aug 2017 #10

Fuck this world. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #11

Are you implying that Beyonce & JayZee don't do good with THEIR money? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #142

"Their" money. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #155

Whose money is it? Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #178

People like them need to be heavily taxed. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #180

You didn't answer the question Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #187

Won't catch me defending the mega rich, whomever they be. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2017 #309

It's not socialist underground and yes actually it's their money. bettyellen Aug 2017 #203

She has earned it! n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #12

No entertainer had "earned" that kind of money. She didn't cure cancer Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #13

Wow........ USALiberal Aug 2017 #15

Doesn't mean she "earned". n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #19

It sure the fuck does. You try it and see how it goes. n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #20

No, it doesn't. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #24

honestly, I don't think entertainers and sports stars.... dhill926 Aug 2017 #27

I think they are part of the problem, at least. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #30

I agree. Duppers Aug 2017 #239

That's an irrational sentiment and a logical fallacy. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #322

Then jump the fans asses for paying their salary. Tell people to stop buying...... USALiberal Aug 2017 #28

Agreed. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #33

No way JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #256

+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #259

People arent dying because of beyonce JI7 Aug 2017 #31

True. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #35

Them grapes sour? H2O Man Aug 2017 #106

How the fuck did she not earn it when the money is made through sales HER art JI7 Aug 2017 #23

It's ridiculous and the result of capitalist greed. Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #37

Nope . White working class men that vote republican in huge numbers are more to blame JI7 Aug 2017 #39

Nope. This battle is rich vs poor not men vs women or Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #55

Nope. White men do not include POC with them. I take beyonce over low income trump supporters JI7 Aug 2017 #65

Bullshit. You going to say OJ didn't have a legal dream team? Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #69

LOL. The only black people that exist are oprah obama oj and beyonce JI7 Aug 2017 #72

If OJ had been poor, he'd have gotten the electric chair Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #74

Oj got years . The killers of emmett till , tamir rice , etc went free JI7 Aug 2017 #109

OJ walked away free from that criminal charge Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #112

Most people would not have got that many years for that. He got it for the previous case JI7 Aug 2017 #115

I'm not completely unsympathetic, but.... Adrahil Aug 2017 #270

You get a grip, she's vastly overpaid because our values are fucked up Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #32

She doesn't get a fixed income. Her money is made through sales of HER art JI7 Aug 2017 #36

But she sells this "mindset" that success is being rich. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #41

No she doesn't. She sells her music. JI7 Aug 2017 #44

Not only music. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #49

In trying to figure out what that problem is other than resentment JI7 Aug 2017 #54

Don't know how to explain it more than I have. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #56

I'm glad health care workers and others will make money from her giving birth JI7 Aug 2017 #60

I'm sad she lost the opportunity of helping people in real need with all that money. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #68

The Carters routinely contribute to many different charitable causes. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #81

You have no H2O Man Aug 2017 #129

Bill Gates also donates large sums of money to charity. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #140

Being rich is a form of success that many would like to have...so? Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #263

Her money is made through corporate tricks and trappings Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #43

No one is forcing people to buy her music or attend her concerts. You honestly think..... USALiberal Aug 2017 #62

You do realize big marketing uses science for everything Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #66

So how is this her fault? n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #71

Then you are blaming her and not her fans. Start insulting her fans. n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #38

You should save your anger for Insurance company CEOs Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #76

I will be angry at whoever I please Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #84

Here is an average salary for teachers K-12. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #273

Okay, utilitarian jberryhill Aug 2017 #79

Did you make a point? Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #88

I don't care for him either jberryhill Aug 2017 #94

The point is OUR values are a mess. Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #102

Perhaps yours are jberryhill Aug 2017 #111

It's the same logic people use to pillory pro athletes. BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #114

So true! n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #143

And running a 4.3 forty benefits society how? Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #149

It benefits society by allowing someone to make a living from their talent. The end. BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #159

I asked how it justified the discrepancy, you skirted the question Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #161

Exactly Duppers Aug 2017 #241

You'd rather the money go to the record label corporations? The promoters? Demit Aug 2017 #22

Lol, it does...(or at least Sony did) Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #64

Successful entertainers and athletes generate a lot of money and jobs Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #127

So? And of course it does. The wage gap with raises Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #132

That makes no sense Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #138

Your point is, essentially, it's okay because she employs others Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #141

The point of Reagonomics TexasBushwhacker Aug 2017 #301

To me, someone's liberalism is reflected in how they treat others misanthrope Aug 2017 #152

Well, Warren Buffet lives in a modest house Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #157

I would tend to agree misanthrope Aug 2017 #160

Warren Buffet is also opposed to raising the minimum wage. airplaneman Aug 2017 #238

+1 misanthrope Aug 2017 #147

Exactly. As I said in my last post liquid diamond Aug 2017 #169

life is short and no matter how holy or virtuous you are, it always has the same ending Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #226

How much money does J.K. Rowling "deserve"? brooklynite Aug 2017 #236

True, if you look at it the US values treestar Aug 2017 #277

Really?? pangaia Aug 2017 #98

Yes, her songs and concerts sell very well! n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #146

well her poetry is quite artful miyazaki Aug 2017 #279

I agree. H2O Man Aug 2017 #104

Congrats to Beyonc and her fam MrScorpio Aug 2017 #14

Who sold it to her I wonder... Dream Girl Aug 2017 #16

This thread right here. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #17

This is Oprah's handbag shopping revisited BainsBane Aug 2017 #18

Bingo! MrScorpio Aug 2017 #50

The whiners H2O Man Aug 2017 #131

Remember the uproar not long ago about Obama's speaking fee? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #274

Ding! Ding! Ding! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #154

Successful women are alwats judged, but successful WOC are savaged obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #212

Precisely. Paul McCartney's net worth is $1.2 BILLION... VOX Aug 2017 #306

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2017 #189

So Trashing This Thread.... LovingA2andMI Aug 2017 #233

Why is it usually women and minorities that get complaints about this JI7 Aug 2017 #21

☝️ This 🇺🇸 Bladewire Aug 2017 #58

They don't. It's just the paradigm you view the world from Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #108

No. They are attacked for policies they support. Not for how they gave birth or where they live JI7 Aug 2017 #113

Well, they're men so I don't think they gave birth Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #116

They are attacked for the policies they support. Not on money they spend in their private life JI7 Aug 2017 #117

Repeating the same inaccurate statement doesn't make it true. Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #118

It's not inaccurate. It's the facts. JI7 Aug 2017 #119

Your opinion, easily disavowed with a simple search Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #120

Its seen in this thread. She was attacked for how she fucking gave birth JI7 Aug 2017 #123

She was attacked for spending a million dollars on a birth Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #125

Money went to health care workers so good for them JI7 Aug 2017 #130

No it didn't. Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #135

I don't have a problem with physicians making money . JI7 Aug 2017 #137

Private physicians YOU and I cannot and will not access Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #144

Many people can't access the internet JI7 Aug 2017 #163

That's not even comparable and borders on silly Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #166

there are many people who don't even have ACCESS to the internet so those who have it are JI7 Aug 2017 #237

Would you like to compare what you make/spend versus a person living in a 3rd world country? mythology Aug 2017 #310

Well, then you should be able to link to some threads BainsBane Aug 2017 #165

You can do your own Google search, Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #167

You made the claim. Why wouldn't you want to prove it? Or just admit you made it up? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #176

Despite your grandiosity, you are NOT the referee here Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #182

Nice, but you still didn't answer the question. All we're asking for is a link for a claim, made by Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #188

What's your social value? BainsBane Aug 2017 #210

+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #223

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #230

You win the internetz!!!!! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #249

Kudos for your clarity. Really wish we could "like", give stars (i.e., 1-5 stars) or something ATL Ebony Aug 2017 #252

Great post as always...and exactly what I think... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #264

Most of Sarandon's Money Comes From Acting erpowers Aug 2017 #275

So it's okay BainsBane Aug 2017 #276

++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JHan Aug 2017 #295

+1 Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #289

+++++++++ JHan Aug 2017 #296

supporting black lives matter is not a social value ? she uses her celebrity for that important JI7 Aug 2017 #254

NO social value? Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #305

Rather than pretending something exists that doesn't BainsBane Aug 2017 #196

Wrong -- these are self made WOC obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #217

Comparing her to the Koch brothers now? LOL. Nope. bettyellen Aug 2017 #257

Really. It's another let's slam certain liberals for something mcar Aug 2017 #206

Yup, and both women are self made obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #216

At least it gives the lie to the right winger treestar Aug 2017 #278

Am I supposed to be upset? Good for her! EllieBC Aug 2017 #25

Impressed by the reaction. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #26

The lower income white men that vote republican are more to blame for inequality JI7 Aug 2017 #34

So no movies or singers or sports in your world? n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #47

I try to avoid as much as I can. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #93

Same here. Duppers Aug 2017 #243

I am a liberal democrat, not a progressive, whatever that means GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #59

Oh, I see. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #91

You are probably correct GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #134

There aren't "non-capitalist systems" to serve as examples. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #136

I think the evidence does not support your assertion GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #150

It's all a question of point-of-view OBenario4 Aug 2017 #153

Again I disagree GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #164

I also disagree. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #168

And now we get to the crux... GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #171

Well, they were another Haiti. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #175

And Cubans are still fleeing like rats form a sinking ship every chance they get GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #184

Haitians, Somalians, and almost every one on the undeveloped capitalist world too. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #192

There is definatly no communist wing that matters GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #193

I'm Brazilian OBenario4 Aug 2017 #198

Clean up the appalling income equality in Brazil first obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #219

You're right about Brazil. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #231

At the time Castro came to power, every country in Latin America was another Haiti. stevenleser Aug 2017 #312

That's not what statistics show. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #313

Statistics? No country in Latin America was developed at all at the time. stevenleser Aug 2017 #314

False. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #315

True. I have been to those places and know people there. Do you? nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #316

I'm Brazilian, daughter of Argentinians, have traveled to almost all South American countries. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #317

Then talk to your elders. They will tell you what I have said is correct. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #318

They won't. Cause it isn't. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #324

Cuba has made progress? It is dirt poor...the people live lives Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #265

Well it sucks but America is hella capitalist bettyellen Aug 2017 #170

Sounds reasonable to me Dem2 Aug 2017 #272

Problem there is treestar Aug 2017 #280

yawn obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #218

A person can want to end the capitalist system while taking great delight when someone the system WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #267

It really sucks when you have to compromise on purchases, but FSogol Aug 2017 #29

People really get riled up at black people getting paid for their labor JI7 Aug 2017 #40

I get riled up at any celebrity getting overpaid while billions go hungry n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #45

Billions are not going hungry. And low income white men that vote republican are more to blame than JI7 Aug 2017 #48

Yes, billions are in dire poverty. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #53

White men who actually support fucked up policies can't be blamed JI7 Aug 2017 #57

Not a question of blaming. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #73

So now you don't want to blame when it comes to who is actually supporting the policy ? JI7 Aug 2017 #77

I believe you don't understand what I'm saying. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #82

I totally get it. It's something i see all the time JI7 Aug 2017 #83

I think you don't. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #86

Lol JI7 Aug 2017 #90

? n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #101

overpaid? People PAY to see them, JHan Aug 2017 #292

I don't think saying celebrities are overpaid is ridiculous. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #293

*facepalm* JHan Aug 2017 #294

It has fuck all to do with color. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #179

wrong -- the op and posts like yours have everything to do with race obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #220

Yeah. Still working on that whole allocation of resources thing Billy Jingo Aug 2017 #42

No, she's ENTITLED to her money. Because Beyonce. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #46

Holy shit! I missed the black thing. Billy Jingo Aug 2017 #51

We see it when it's always minorities and women . It use to be oprah JI7 Aug 2017 #63

Hmmm. I've heard a lot about income inequality Billy Jingo Aug 2017 #75

It is when we can't blame the white men who actually support shit policy JI7 Aug 2017 #80

We can blame the white men who support the policy... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #85

Yes. Must discipline the black woman on what is proper JI7 Aug 2017 #96

You're the only person bringing race here. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #100

Race was brought in when black women are blamed but on white men who sopport JI7 Aug 2017 #103

That's how you chose to see it. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #107

I see the facts. Just like we can see trump is going after minorities JI7 Aug 2017 #121

Ok, then. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #128

Good for her. It's taken her (and Jay Z) years, hard work and lots of luck... SaschaHM Aug 2017 #52

Would you say this about a CEO? Duppers Aug 2017 #242

if it was true eShirl Aug 2017 #246

those mansions are overpriced but even here, a neighbor died in a 45k house. sold for 200k, then fli Sunlei Aug 2017 #61

Maybe she wants a big house to have lots of space away from her husband? Bladewire Aug 2017 #67

I'm so sick of people liquid diamond Aug 2017 #211

yawn obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #221

and she earned every penny; she wasn't born rich AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #70

Warren Buffett wasn't born rich either. Duppers Aug 2017 #244

He doesn't support a $15.00 minimum wage. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #266

Good for her bhikkhu Aug 2017 #78

Nobody earns that much money, but a few The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #87

Who cares? milestogo Aug 2017 #95

Nobody. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #105

Cha Ching! Not Ruth Aug 2017 #122

First I see a post about Al Gore's "stupendous wealth" and now this. betsuni Aug 2017 #133

Hugh Hefner's Neighbor Just Bought the Playboy Mansion for More Than $100 Million ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #139

How much Liberallover976 Aug 2017 #148

I'm actually curious to the answer to this. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #158

Maybe... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #162

That doesn't answer the question. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #173

My problem is not with Beyonce. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #177

I wish you would answer SaschaHM's question Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #183

Don't see the point. Quite irrelevant "what if" debate. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #191

It is hysterical you said you are Brazilian and are saying that obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #222

Don't see what's the relation here. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #228

It's staggering for sure mvd Aug 2017 #151

Exactly. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #156

Yep. It's not a Beyonce problem. It's a problem with the system mvd Aug 2017 #174

My sentiments exactly. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #205

I'm tired of her MFM008 Aug 2017 #181

Thanks for the info! n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #185

For a number of reasons... tonedevil Aug 2017 #284

Sigh.. MFM008 Aug 2017 #299

That's fine... tonedevil Aug 2017 #304

Yeah, we need to bring back progressive taxation Warpy Aug 2017 #194

She and her husband give a huge amount of money to charity obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #225

Hardly a target, there are reasons such people need their big mansions Warpy Aug 2017 #234

'Rich is some shit you could lose with a crazy summer and a drug habit.' fleabiscuit Aug 2017 #195

Professional athletes make ridiculous sums too mcar Aug 2017 #202

Oh, no! She has a time machine and will win the Powerball this weekend! Generic Brad Aug 2017 #204

She's self made, she earned it, she gives a lot to charity obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #207

glad she spent it bdtrppr6 Aug 2017 #209

Beyonce and Jay Z both make frequent charitable contributions.. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #213

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #214

As long as the Carters pay their taxes and don't shit on other people, blogslut Aug 2017 #224

I agree rockfordfile Aug 2017 #232

you summed up my feelings exactly nt steve2470 Aug 2017 #320

The Carters are a socially responsible WEALTHY couple underthematrix Aug 2017 #229

So, it's not HOW sha makes her money, it's that she has too much? brooklynite Aug 2017 #235

If this were some CEO, people here Duppers Aug 2017 #240

Warren Buffet also questions whether we need to raise minimum wage JI7 Aug 2017 #245

Do you ask the same of every rich person in American who buys a house? eShirl Aug 2017 #247

Perhaps when Jay & Bey come to the end of their lives, like Buffett, they'll give away 99% as well? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #250

Money is only a problem when it involves celebrities. tenderfoot Aug 2017 #248

Sad. I can't imagine being that selfish. Nobody needs that. Not dumping on her catbyte Aug 2017 #251

It's her money. I don't care what she buys...If she wants to buy a piece The_REAL_Ecumenist Aug 2017 #253

Don't care. I believe in the free market. She's obviously produced something people will pay for. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #255

Some Stalinist bullshit! bettyellen Aug 2017 #258

Totally. Like the question here - Why do "we" give so much money to entertainers? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #260

I hope she doesn't end up on painkillers like Prince... bettyellen Aug 2017 #269

So? Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #261

Good for her but I couldn't care doc03 Aug 2017 #268

Oh Lordy! A rich black women is spending lots of money!!! Adrahil Aug 2017 #271

so what???? heaven05 Aug 2017 #281

OMG, does CNN promise a story after the commercial about Beyonce's new betsuni Aug 2017 #282

It's America folks. This is how we roll. jalan48 Aug 2017 #283

I'm happy for her and her family WhiteTara Aug 2017 #285

Inequality is so crazy that even her wealth doesn't place her in the enemy camp... Locut0s Aug 2017 #286

I'm not sure why I am supposed to care Horse with no Name Aug 2017 #287

Good for her and Jay. She earned it. MariaCSR Aug 2017 #288

Wonderful news! She earned it... she deserves it! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #290

hahahaha ! best gif! JHan Aug 2017 #291

Your neighbors can walk outside in public and not be mobbed / assaulted. Calista241 Aug 2017 #297

Yeah, a pretty nutty country in which a successful black woman is slammed Ninsianna Aug 2017 #298

Rabble. Rabble. Rabble. n/t EarthFirst Aug 2017 #300

Fuck trump stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #302

And your point is? Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #303

FANTASTIC for her! I am very very happy for her. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #307

She's a good person, a good Dem, and I'm glad she and her family have it nt steve2470 Aug 2017 #319

So what? Bettie Aug 2017 #323