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22. You'd rather the money go to the record label corporations? The promoters?

Reply to Drahthaardogs (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:45 PM

Aug 2017

Instead of the creative talent? Please, tell us how you think the money she brings in should be distributed.

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Beyonce just bought a mansion for $90 MILLION BUCKS [View all] jodymarie aimee Aug 2017 OP

Well, she's part of one of the most successful couples in entertainment. She's a good Dem. bettyellen Aug 2017 #1

I think it's too much freakin' money for anybody to waste on a place to live. pangaia Aug 2017 #89

Well on both coasts rea estate prices are ridiculous for everyone so yeah.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #97

I'm not targeting her. pangaia Aug 2017 #99

She in particular has been targeted unfairly.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #201

Successful women always are, successful POC women especially obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #208

Isn't that the truth! WhiteTara Aug 2017 #215

Yup. How much is too much $? demosincebirth Aug 2017 #227

There sure is ,remember here after she did the Superbowl half time? lunasun Aug 2017 #197

There always is, but let Donald Trump say something racist about Beyonce... SaschaHM Aug 2017 #199

That's not wasting money, it's conserving it, investing it. Safer than the stock market. brush Aug 2017 #186

Well it's also spending on foods and services ... bettyellen Aug 2017 #200

Isn't it wonderful for two beautiful talented hard working people to accomplish so much their young RestoreAmerica2020 Aug 2017 #308

That's a bargain in this neighborhood... Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #2

Interesting. eShirl Aug 2017 #3

Don't hate; congratulate... ADX Aug 2017 #4

Why are you counting other folks money? She and her husband are both billionaires... HipChick Aug 2017 #5

Maybe because idolatry of gross materialism is what has our society in the shape it's in? misanthrope Aug 2017 #145

Always the women who are attacked in this manner. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #262

Yep, no one has ever said the same about a man, including the POTUS misanthrope Aug 2017 #311

45 was born with a silver spoon...but Beyonce who works hard doesn't deserve her money... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #321

Why single her out? She's mastered her craft, ecstatic Aug 2017 #6

Nice looking pad. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #7

I wonder how long it will take Jay Z to mow the grass underpants Aug 2017 #172

Nice Home erpowers Aug 2017 #190

Nice to see her get ahead. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #8

Is that sarcasm? LOL... pangaia Aug 2017 #92

I can't get that excited about rich celebrities. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #110

OK. We're cool. pangaia Aug 2017 #124

Better her than , say, Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #126

Cheapskate! The garage for my collection of Rolls Royces cost more than that. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #9

So what? Catherine Vincent Aug 2017 #10

Fuck this world. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #11

Are you implying that Beyonce & JayZee don't do good with THEIR money? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #142

"Their" money. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #155

Whose money is it? Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #178

People like them need to be heavily taxed. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #180

You didn't answer the question Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #187

Won't catch me defending the mega rich, whomever they be. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2017 #309

It's not socialist underground and yes actually it's their money. bettyellen Aug 2017 #203

She has earned it! n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #12

No entertainer had "earned" that kind of money. She didn't cure cancer Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #13

Wow........ USALiberal Aug 2017 #15

Doesn't mean she "earned". n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #19

It sure the fuck does. You try it and see how it goes. n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #20

No, it doesn't. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #24

honestly, I don't think entertainers and sports stars.... dhill926 Aug 2017 #27

I think they are part of the problem, at least. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #30

I agree. Duppers Aug 2017 #239

That's an irrational sentiment and a logical fallacy. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #322

Then jump the fans asses for paying their salary. Tell people to stop buying...... USALiberal Aug 2017 #28

Agreed. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #33

No way JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #256

+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #259

People arent dying because of beyonce JI7 Aug 2017 #31

True. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #35

Them grapes sour? H2O Man Aug 2017 #106

How the fuck did she not earn it when the money is made through sales HER art JI7 Aug 2017 #23

It's ridiculous and the result of capitalist greed. Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #37

Nope . White working class men that vote republican in huge numbers are more to blame JI7 Aug 2017 #39

Nope. This battle is rich vs poor not men vs women or Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #55

Nope. White men do not include POC with them. I take beyonce over low income trump supporters JI7 Aug 2017 #65

Bullshit. You going to say OJ didn't have a legal dream team? Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #69

LOL. The only black people that exist are oprah obama oj and beyonce JI7 Aug 2017 #72

If OJ had been poor, he'd have gotten the electric chair Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #74

Oj got years . The killers of emmett till , tamir rice , etc went free JI7 Aug 2017 #109

OJ walked away free from that criminal charge Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #112

Most people would not have got that many years for that. He got it for the previous case JI7 Aug 2017 #115

I'm not completely unsympathetic, but.... Adrahil Aug 2017 #270

You get a grip, she's vastly overpaid because our values are fucked up Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #32

She doesn't get a fixed income. Her money is made through sales of HER art JI7 Aug 2017 #36

But she sells this "mindset" that success is being rich. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #41

No she doesn't. She sells her music. JI7 Aug 2017 #44

Not only music. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #49

In trying to figure out what that problem is other than resentment JI7 Aug 2017 #54

Don't know how to explain it more than I have. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #56

I'm glad health care workers and others will make money from her giving birth JI7 Aug 2017 #60

I'm sad she lost the opportunity of helping people in real need with all that money. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #68

The Carters routinely contribute to many different charitable causes. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #81

You have no H2O Man Aug 2017 #129

Bill Gates also donates large sums of money to charity. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #140

Being rich is a form of success that many would like to have...so? Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #263

Her money is made through corporate tricks and trappings Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #43

No one is forcing people to buy her music or attend her concerts. You honestly think..... USALiberal Aug 2017 #62

You do realize big marketing uses science for everything Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #66

So how is this her fault? n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #71

Then you are blaming her and not her fans. Start insulting her fans. n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #38

You should save your anger for Insurance company CEOs Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #76

I will be angry at whoever I please Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #84

Here is an average salary for teachers K-12. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #273

Okay, utilitarian jberryhill Aug 2017 #79

Did you make a point? Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #88

I don't care for him either jberryhill Aug 2017 #94

The point is OUR values are a mess. Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #102

Perhaps yours are jberryhill Aug 2017 #111

It's the same logic people use to pillory pro athletes. BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #114

So true! n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #143

And running a 4.3 forty benefits society how? Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #149

It benefits society by allowing someone to make a living from their talent. The end. BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #159

I asked how it justified the discrepancy, you skirted the question Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #161

Exactly Duppers Aug 2017 #241

You'd rather the money go to the record label corporations? The promoters? Demit Aug 2017 #22

Lol, it does...(or at least Sony did) Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #64

Successful entertainers and athletes generate a lot of money and jobs Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #127

So? And of course it does. The wage gap with raises Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #132

That makes no sense Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #138

Your point is, essentially, it's okay because she employs others Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #141

The point of Reagonomics TexasBushwhacker Aug 2017 #301

To me, someone's liberalism is reflected in how they treat others misanthrope Aug 2017 #152

Well, Warren Buffet lives in a modest house Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #157

I would tend to agree misanthrope Aug 2017 #160

Warren Buffet is also opposed to raising the minimum wage. airplaneman Aug 2017 #238

+1 misanthrope Aug 2017 #147

Exactly. As I said in my last post liquid diamond Aug 2017 #169

life is short and no matter how holy or virtuous you are, it always has the same ending Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #226

How much money does J.K. Rowling "deserve"? brooklynite Aug 2017 #236

True, if you look at it the US values treestar Aug 2017 #277

Really?? pangaia Aug 2017 #98

Yes, her songs and concerts sell very well! n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #146

well her poetry is quite artful miyazaki Aug 2017 #279

I agree. H2O Man Aug 2017 #104

Congrats to Beyonc and her fam MrScorpio Aug 2017 #14

Who sold it to her I wonder... Dream Girl Aug 2017 #16

This thread right here. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #17

This is Oprah's handbag shopping revisited BainsBane Aug 2017 #18

Bingo! MrScorpio Aug 2017 #50

The whiners H2O Man Aug 2017 #131

Remember the uproar not long ago about Obama's speaking fee? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #274

Ding! Ding! Ding! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #154

Successful women are alwats judged, but successful WOC are savaged obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #212

Precisely. Paul McCartney's net worth is $1.2 BILLION... VOX Aug 2017 #306

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2017 #189

So Trashing This Thread.... LovingA2andMI Aug 2017 #233

Why is it usually women and minorities that get complaints about this JI7 Aug 2017 #21

☝️ This 🇺🇸 Bladewire Aug 2017 #58

They don't. It's just the paradigm you view the world from Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #108

No. They are attacked for policies they support. Not for how they gave birth or where they live JI7 Aug 2017 #113

Well, they're men so I don't think they gave birth Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #116

They are attacked for the policies they support. Not on money they spend in their private life JI7 Aug 2017 #117

Repeating the same inaccurate statement doesn't make it true. Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #118

It's not inaccurate. It's the facts. JI7 Aug 2017 #119

Your opinion, easily disavowed with a simple search Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #120

Its seen in this thread. She was attacked for how she fucking gave birth JI7 Aug 2017 #123

She was attacked for spending a million dollars on a birth Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #125

Money went to health care workers so good for them JI7 Aug 2017 #130

No it didn't. Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #135

I don't have a problem with physicians making money . JI7 Aug 2017 #137

Private physicians YOU and I cannot and will not access Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #144

Many people can't access the internet JI7 Aug 2017 #163

That's not even comparable and borders on silly Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #166

there are many people who don't even have ACCESS to the internet so those who have it are JI7 Aug 2017 #237

Would you like to compare what you make/spend versus a person living in a 3rd world country? mythology Aug 2017 #310

Well, then you should be able to link to some threads BainsBane Aug 2017 #165

You can do your own Google search, Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #167

You made the claim. Why wouldn't you want to prove it? Or just admit you made it up? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #176

Despite your grandiosity, you are NOT the referee here Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #182

Nice, but you still didn't answer the question. All we're asking for is a link for a claim, made by Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #188

What's your social value? BainsBane Aug 2017 #210

+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #223

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #230

You win the internetz!!!!! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #249

Kudos for your clarity. Really wish we could "like", give stars (i.e., 1-5 stars) or something ATL Ebony Aug 2017 #252

Great post as always...and exactly what I think... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #264

Most of Sarandon's Money Comes From Acting erpowers Aug 2017 #275

So it's okay BainsBane Aug 2017 #276

++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JHan Aug 2017 #295

+1 Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #289

+++++++++ JHan Aug 2017 #296

supporting black lives matter is not a social value ? she uses her celebrity for that important JI7 Aug 2017 #254

NO social value? Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #305

Rather than pretending something exists that doesn't BainsBane Aug 2017 #196

Wrong -- these are self made WOC obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #217

Comparing her to the Koch brothers now? LOL. Nope. bettyellen Aug 2017 #257

Really. It's another let's slam certain liberals for something mcar Aug 2017 #206

Yup, and both women are self made obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #216

At least it gives the lie to the right winger treestar Aug 2017 #278

Am I supposed to be upset? Good for her! EllieBC Aug 2017 #25

Impressed by the reaction. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #26

The lower income white men that vote republican are more to blame for inequality JI7 Aug 2017 #34

So no movies or singers or sports in your world? n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #47

I try to avoid as much as I can. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #93

Same here. Duppers Aug 2017 #243

I am a liberal democrat, not a progressive, whatever that means GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #59

Oh, I see. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #91

You are probably correct GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #134

There aren't "non-capitalist systems" to serve as examples. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #136

I think the evidence does not support your assertion GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #150

It's all a question of point-of-view OBenario4 Aug 2017 #153

Again I disagree GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #164

I also disagree. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #168

And now we get to the crux... GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #171

Well, they were another Haiti. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #175

And Cubans are still fleeing like rats form a sinking ship every chance they get GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #184

Haitians, Somalians, and almost every one on the undeveloped capitalist world too. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #192

There is definatly no communist wing that matters GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #193

I'm Brazilian OBenario4 Aug 2017 #198

Clean up the appalling income equality in Brazil first obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #219

You're right about Brazil. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #231

At the time Castro came to power, every country in Latin America was another Haiti. stevenleser Aug 2017 #312

That's not what statistics show. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #313

Statistics? No country in Latin America was developed at all at the time. stevenleser Aug 2017 #314

False. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #315

True. I have been to those places and know people there. Do you? nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #316

I'm Brazilian, daughter of Argentinians, have traveled to almost all South American countries. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #317

Then talk to your elders. They will tell you what I have said is correct. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #318

They won't. Cause it isn't. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #324

Cuba has made progress? It is dirt poor...the people live lives Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #265

Well it sucks but America is hella capitalist bettyellen Aug 2017 #170

Sounds reasonable to me Dem2 Aug 2017 #272

Problem there is treestar Aug 2017 #280

yawn obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #218

A person can want to end the capitalist system while taking great delight when someone the system WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #267

It really sucks when you have to compromise on purchases, but FSogol Aug 2017 #29

People really get riled up at black people getting paid for their labor JI7 Aug 2017 #40

I get riled up at any celebrity getting overpaid while billions go hungry n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #45

Billions are not going hungry. And low income white men that vote republican are more to blame than JI7 Aug 2017 #48

Yes, billions are in dire poverty. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #53

White men who actually support fucked up policies can't be blamed JI7 Aug 2017 #57

Not a question of blaming. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #73

So now you don't want to blame when it comes to who is actually supporting the policy ? JI7 Aug 2017 #77

I believe you don't understand what I'm saying. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #82

I totally get it. It's something i see all the time JI7 Aug 2017 #83

I think you don't. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #86

Lol JI7 Aug 2017 #90

? n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #101

overpaid? People PAY to see them, JHan Aug 2017 #292

I don't think saying celebrities are overpaid is ridiculous. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #293

*facepalm* JHan Aug 2017 #294

It has fuck all to do with color. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #179

wrong -- the op and posts like yours have everything to do with race obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #220

Yeah. Still working on that whole allocation of resources thing Billy Jingo Aug 2017 #42

No, she's ENTITLED to her money. Because Beyonce. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #46

Holy shit! I missed the black thing. Billy Jingo Aug 2017 #51

We see it when it's always minorities and women . It use to be oprah JI7 Aug 2017 #63

Hmmm. I've heard a lot about income inequality Billy Jingo Aug 2017 #75

It is when we can't blame the white men who actually support shit policy JI7 Aug 2017 #80

We can blame the white men who support the policy... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #85

Yes. Must discipline the black woman on what is proper JI7 Aug 2017 #96

You're the only person bringing race here. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #100

Race was brought in when black women are blamed but on white men who sopport JI7 Aug 2017 #103

That's how you chose to see it. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #107

I see the facts. Just like we can see trump is going after minorities JI7 Aug 2017 #121

Ok, then. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #128

Good for her. It's taken her (and Jay Z) years, hard work and lots of luck... SaschaHM Aug 2017 #52

Would you say this about a CEO? Duppers Aug 2017 #242

if it was true eShirl Aug 2017 #246

those mansions are overpriced but even here, a neighbor died in a 45k house. sold for 200k, then fli Sunlei Aug 2017 #61

Maybe she wants a big house to have lots of space away from her husband? Bladewire Aug 2017 #67

I'm so sick of people liquid diamond Aug 2017 #211

yawn obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #221

and she earned every penny; she wasn't born rich AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #70

Warren Buffett wasn't born rich either. Duppers Aug 2017 #244

He doesn't support a $15.00 minimum wage. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #266

Good for her bhikkhu Aug 2017 #78

Nobody earns that much money, but a few The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #87

Who cares? milestogo Aug 2017 #95

Nobody. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #105

Cha Ching! Not Ruth Aug 2017 #122

First I see a post about Al Gore's "stupendous wealth" and now this. betsuni Aug 2017 #133

Hugh Hefner's Neighbor Just Bought the Playboy Mansion for More Than $100 Million ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #139

How much Liberallover976 Aug 2017 #148

I'm actually curious to the answer to this. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #158

Maybe... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #162

That doesn't answer the question. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #173

My problem is not with Beyonce. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #177

I wish you would answer SaschaHM's question Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #183

Don't see the point. Quite irrelevant "what if" debate. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #191

It is hysterical you said you are Brazilian and are saying that obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #222

Don't see what's the relation here. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #228

It's staggering for sure mvd Aug 2017 #151

Exactly. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #156

Yep. It's not a Beyonce problem. It's a problem with the system mvd Aug 2017 #174

My sentiments exactly. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #205

I'm tired of her MFM008 Aug 2017 #181

Thanks for the info! n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #185

For a number of reasons... tonedevil Aug 2017 #284

Sigh.. MFM008 Aug 2017 #299

That's fine... tonedevil Aug 2017 #304

Yeah, we need to bring back progressive taxation Warpy Aug 2017 #194

She and her husband give a huge amount of money to charity obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #225

Hardly a target, there are reasons such people need their big mansions Warpy Aug 2017 #234

'Rich is some shit you could lose with a crazy summer and a drug habit.' fleabiscuit Aug 2017 #195

Professional athletes make ridiculous sums too mcar Aug 2017 #202

Oh, no! She has a time machine and will win the Powerball this weekend! Generic Brad Aug 2017 #204

She's self made, she earned it, she gives a lot to charity obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #207

glad she spent it bdtrppr6 Aug 2017 #209

Beyonce and Jay Z both make frequent charitable contributions.. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #213

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #214

As long as the Carters pay their taxes and don't shit on other people, blogslut Aug 2017 #224

I agree rockfordfile Aug 2017 #232

you summed up my feelings exactly nt steve2470 Aug 2017 #320

The Carters are a socially responsible WEALTHY couple underthematrix Aug 2017 #229

So, it's not HOW sha makes her money, it's that she has too much? brooklynite Aug 2017 #235

If this were some CEO, people here Duppers Aug 2017 #240

Warren Buffet also questions whether we need to raise minimum wage JI7 Aug 2017 #245

Do you ask the same of every rich person in American who buys a house? eShirl Aug 2017 #247

Perhaps when Jay & Bey come to the end of their lives, like Buffett, they'll give away 99% as well? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #250

Money is only a problem when it involves celebrities. tenderfoot Aug 2017 #248

Sad. I can't imagine being that selfish. Nobody needs that. Not dumping on her catbyte Aug 2017 #251

It's her money. I don't care what she buys...If she wants to buy a piece The_REAL_Ecumenist Aug 2017 #253

Don't care. I believe in the free market. She's obviously produced something people will pay for. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #255

Some Stalinist bullshit! bettyellen Aug 2017 #258

Totally. Like the question here - Why do "we" give so much money to entertainers? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #260

I hope she doesn't end up on painkillers like Prince... bettyellen Aug 2017 #269

So? Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #261

Good for her but I couldn't care doc03 Aug 2017 #268

Oh Lordy! A rich black women is spending lots of money!!! Adrahil Aug 2017 #271

so what???? heaven05 Aug 2017 #281

OMG, does CNN promise a story after the commercial about Beyonce's new betsuni Aug 2017 #282

It's America folks. This is how we roll. jalan48 Aug 2017 #283

I'm happy for her and her family WhiteTara Aug 2017 #285

Inequality is so crazy that even her wealth doesn't place her in the enemy camp... Locut0s Aug 2017 #286

I'm not sure why I am supposed to care Horse with no Name Aug 2017 #287

Good for her and Jay. She earned it. MariaCSR Aug 2017 #288

Wonderful news! She earned it... she deserves it! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #290

hahahaha ! best gif! JHan Aug 2017 #291

Your neighbors can walk outside in public and not be mobbed / assaulted. Calista241 Aug 2017 #297

Yeah, a pretty nutty country in which a successful black woman is slammed Ninsianna Aug 2017 #298

Rabble. Rabble. Rabble. n/t EarthFirst Aug 2017 #300

Fuck trump stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #302

And your point is? Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #303

FANTASTIC for her! I am very very happy for her. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #307

She's a good person, a good Dem, and I'm glad she and her family have it nt steve2470 Aug 2017 #319

So what? Bettie Aug 2017 #323