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31. i thinks Abrams vs United States in 1919 gave the answer to....

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Sat Aug 19, 2017, 03:17 PM

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...why you cant cry FIRE in a crowded theater..

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Hate groups: I will not defend your right to free speech [View all] cynatnite Aug 2017 OP

We will overwhelm their weak, cowardly voices with voices so loud MineralMan Aug 2017 #1

Sorry, can't agree... Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #2

I used to feel the same... cynatnite Aug 2017 #3

Then you simply don't support free speech. BostonianMagi Aug 2017 #29

Free clue: popular speech needs no protection- it's popular. X_Digger Aug 2017 #41

Agree with you and Bostonian. The vast majority of the Hortensis Aug 2017 #47

finally a voice of reason nt burnbaby Aug 2017 #35

Agreed. bluepen Aug 2017 #63

Defining hate groups is why we must not allow the government to crack down on... Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #4

I will defend their right to free speech edhopper Aug 2017 #5

Also free speech does not mean without consequence. Egnever Aug 2017 #12

"Don't give them their freedom because they're not going to give you yours." johnp3907 Aug 2017 #6

I'm sympathetic to the impulse, but I can't go along with you. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #7

I support the first amendment taught_me_patience Aug 2017 #8

Not listening hasn't gotten us far... cynatnite Aug 2017 #9

Nor do you have to stand idly by and let them spew Egnever Aug 2017 #16

Free Speech can still be limited, when public policy demands it Mr. Ected Aug 2017 #10

The falsely screaming "fire" part of law is gone. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #11

The obscenity test is very strict and easy to overcome. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #13

Atlantic: It's Time To Stop Using "Fire in a crowded theater" Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #39

You're getting worked up by an infinitesimally small population of crazy people. Calista241 Aug 2017 #14

We didn't have a fucking Nazi in the WH either. n/t cynatnite Aug 2017 #15

I'm sorry but saying sarisataka Aug 2017 #17

Is Germany unable to conduct fair trials because of their limits on free speech? n/t cynatnite Aug 2017 #18

Equivalent, not dependent... sarisataka Aug 2017 #19

They do not in regards to hate speech. n/t cynatnite Aug 2017 #23

I will, until my last breath. That is all. tritsofme Aug 2017 #20

Good on you. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #21

Defending hate speech is like defending someone's right to scream "fire" in a crowded theater MrScorpio Aug 2017 #22

Understand your argument, but want to point out that shouting fire isn't illegal. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #24

People were using "fire in a crowded theater" to suggest censoring "blasphemy" here not long ago Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #45

Atlantic: It's Time To Stop Using "Fire in a crowded theater" Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #46

Meet free speech with free speech struggle4progress Aug 2017 #25

Yup Egnever Aug 2017 #27

free speech must be defended AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #26

I'll defend everyone's right to free speech. Iggo Aug 2017 #28

I will defend their right to free speech. It is the fundamental value of the America we aspire to. Squinch Aug 2017 #30

Excellent point. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #43

i thinks Abrams vs United States in 1919 gave the answer to.... samnsara Aug 2017 #31

Atlantic: It's Time To Stop Using "Fire in a crowded theater" Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #42

Brandenburg superceded that. You CAN. n/t X_Digger Aug 2017 #44

This is frightening and dangerous oberliner Aug 2017 #32

Probably not since we've got a Nazi-in-Chief... cynatnite Aug 2017 #33

Someone could argue that calling Trump a Nazi is hate speech oberliner Aug 2017 #34

This isn't about disagreeing over an issue like abortion, healthcare, etc... cynatnite Aug 2017 #36

Calling the President a Nazi can be defined as anti-American hate speech oberliner Aug 2017 #37

SCOTUS has consistently sided with free speech... cynatnite Aug 2017 #49

The 1st Amendment isn't the problem, here. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #38

Then you have a preference, not a principle. X_Digger Aug 2017 #40

It's easy to be a free speech absolutist if you're not being threatened cagefreesoylentgreen Aug 2017 #48

I come from a family of Jews who had people in Europe during the Holocaust. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #51

I don't believe there are any easy solutions cagefreesoylentgreen Aug 2017 #53

For one, respond to speech with more speech, which is what is happening already. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #54

Incitement is not protected free speech. L. Coyote Aug 2017 #50

There are those who would consider some DU posts to be incitement. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #58

And I've alerted on incitement here. L. Coyote Aug 2017 #59

That's a different issue. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #60

Do not agree. Free speech is protected by the 1st Amendment. RelativelyJones Aug 2017 #52

If we don't defend hate speech... defacto7 Aug 2017 #55

That's the hardest part of defending the 1st Amendment nini Aug 2017 #56

Popular speech needs no such protection- it's popular. n/t X_Digger Aug 2017 #62

The answer to speech you disagree with is more speech, not less Rob H. Aug 2017 #57

"Freedom of speech" and the paradox of tolerance Spider Jerusalem Aug 2017 #61

Basically, the entire Republican Party should be banned by this definition Fluke a Snooker Aug 2017 #64