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defacto7

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14. Love to hear history spelled out.

Sat Aug 19, 2017, 06:32 PM

Aug 2017

I agree with what you've said but I may or may not fully agree with your fifth paragraph. In essence it may be true but if you are impressing that the federal government should be less involved and states should be more autonomous, as a general statement I would disagree. I think the federal government is essential to most things that affect our lives expecially protecting human rights... It just needs some major fixing. I become more concerned when states are powerful enough to rewrite facts, undermine human rights and claim sovereignty over what belongs to all citizens or even the world.
I apperciate your comments.

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to all those who mix in Lee with Jefferson and Washington. [View all] DonCoquixote Aug 2017 OP

Lee did fight against the United States union... defacto7 Aug 2017 #1

and what pray tell does that change? DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #2

What does that change..... defacto7 Aug 2017 #7

not killing or Mercy DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #16

The specifics of this statement.. defacto7 Aug 2017 #18

What Lee did was usual, choosing his state over the federal government Yupster Aug 2017 #10

Love to hear history spelled out. defacto7 Aug 2017 #14

a good quote DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #17

Grant's rise came rather late in the war. When Lee declined the offer, probably no one, save... NNadir Aug 2017 #11

Thanks for posting these historic details.... defacto7 Aug 2017 #13

A comment just for the sake of historical accuracy. The Union Army had 3 generals before Grant. GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #20

"This side of the conflict believes in genocide and breaking their eggs at the small end. Aristus Aug 2017 #34

Angela Rye on CNN just said that the Washington and Jefferson statues also need to come down oberliner Aug 2017 #3

that can be debated DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #4

I agree with you oberliner Aug 2017 #5

Kind of broad. We can judge Lee because he chose defacto7 Aug 2017 #8

The US revolution delayed the end of slavery Yupster Aug 2017 #9

Your right. But the British empire didn't create defacto7 Aug 2017 #15

"The British empire didn't create a government thucythucy Aug 2017 #26

"The British empire ended slavery long before the USA did." EX500rider Aug 2017 #19

Thirty one years is a long time thucythucy Aug 2017 #27

Most northern US states abolished slavery before the British Empire did oberliner Aug 2017 #23

But then the Fugitive Slave Act thucythucy Aug 2017 #28

As did Andrew Jackson Ex Lurker Aug 2017 #21

Hear, hear! Missn-Hitch Aug 2017 #6

Lee and Washington were both slave owning traitors Nevernose Aug 2017 #12

Going out on a limb here... GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #22

I will go even further than you did Yupster Aug 2017 #24

His mentor and commander was a Virginian as well and didn't become a traitor. NNadir Aug 2017 #25

Thanks for this post. thucythucy Aug 2017 #29

So, I gather you don't like Lee. That's fine but Yupster Aug 2017 #30

I despise Lee, but I was referring to immediate subordinates AP Hill and Jackson, corps commanders. NNadir Aug 2017 #31

You bring up interesting topics for discussion Yupster Aug 2017 #33

Well, I certainly feel that vitriol is the appropriate way to view Robert E. Lee. NNadir Aug 2017 #35

Most of that is Jim Crow, Lost Cause propaganda Nevernose Aug 2017 #32