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Xolodno

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35. No one is excusing Russia.

Mon Aug 21, 2017, 05:30 PM

Aug 2017

This thread is about Iran and our misdeeds there, coupled with the long memory of its people. You should check the thread title. The individual in question made it about Russia due to a quip remark. And tried nullify past deeds with a simple generality that wasn't grounded in the reality of the world today.

No one here is defending Russia's meddling in our elections. It was wrong, period.. But this is...well was...until the Russia-phobes changed it, about Iran and the consequences of our actions in Iran. A nation, if we left well enough alone, less fanatical than Saudi Arabia and could have been a significant ally if it wasn't for greed by BP. It appears you are stating it was okay for us to meddle in other governments and implying that the chain reaction of history affecting today should just be dismissed.

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Yesterday was the 64th anniversary of the CIA-backed coup against Iranian PM Mohammed Mossadegh. [View all] femmedem Aug 2017 OP

But this was US interference with another country's internal affairs. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #1

did you forget the sarcasm smiley?? Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #2

Really? 65 years and 11 Presidents later this justifies Russia interfering in our election? stevenleser Aug 2017 #4

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Xolodno Aug 2017 #7

65 years later that doesn't work. 20 years later is even pushing it stevenleser Aug 2017 #9

Your entitled to your view. Xolodno Aug 2017 #12

The turks deny the genocide. That's the issue. More accurate would be an attack on germany JI7 Aug 2017 #15

That is a very bad example. Lordquinton Aug 2017 #26

6 million jews and more eere targeted and killed JI7 Aug 2017 #30

But a response was done Lordquinton Aug 2017 #37

6 million dead. Why do iranian americans and vietnamese JI7 Aug 2017 #39

So how should we punish Germany? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #44

So, using your logic, black people in the US should just get over the whole slavery thing then? WoonTars Aug 2017 #13

No. The logic would work if black people were trying to do something bad today JI7 Aug 2017 #16

But that's not what the poster said... WoonTars Aug 2017 #20

The issue is about excusing what russia did. So the comparison JI7 Aug 2017 #21

No one is excusing Russia. Xolodno Aug 2017 #35

Yes they are. The first response was about defending the russian hack JI7 Aug 2017 #36

Again, no it wasn't Lordquinton Aug 2017 #49

Exactly. We're supposed to not be able to say anything about the Russian hack because of Iran. stevenleser Aug 2017 #56

Laughable. Xolodno Aug 2017 #61

Right on target. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #29

There are vietnamese americans just like iranian americans who were hurt by the election hack JI7 Aug 2017 #31

no. but it sure makes our white hot rage shanny Aug 2017 #8

No, it doesn't. See my #9 aboveregarding who was around. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #10

Very convenient for your argument shanny Aug 2017 #14

I guess you agree just fine with treating merkel like because it's nowhere near as bad as what hitle JI7 Aug 2017 #19

Wot? shanny Aug 2017 #22

But what about....... JI7 Aug 2017 #23

are you trying to make a point? shanny Aug 2017 #24

Exactly. Most iranian americans supported Clinton JI7 Aug 2017 #18

So what you're saying is that you see no connection between events? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #25

So russia hacked the US because of Iran ? Russia which never invaded a country before JI7 Aug 2017 #27

Russia never invaded a country? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #38

It was sarcasm JI7 Aug 2017 #40

So what's your point then? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #41

My family immigrated from a country which was a colony JI7 Aug 2017 #42

You seem to be having a separate conversation from what's actually being discussed Lordquinton Aug 2017 #43

I never excuse the US . Which is why i have no sympathy for the trash that voted for trump JI7 Aug 2017 #46

No, it really wasn't Lordquinton Aug 2017 #48

What the Nazis did was fucked up and germany was not punished for it JI7 Aug 2017 #50

How does that relate to the topic at hand? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #51

How does it not ? It shows dishonesty inn the so called concern of some JI7 Aug 2017 #52

Well, no it doesn't Lordquinton Aug 2017 #54

Yup. Whataboutism is dishonest from the get go. You can't make whataboutism into a stevenleser Aug 2017 #59

Agreed. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #34

So all of the US interference is somehow excused or not subject for discussion guillaumeb Aug 2017 #28

No. We will just call out the bs of it begging used to defend shit done by russia and others JI7 Aug 2017 #32

It is not a defense of Russian interference, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #33

Yes, your first comment was a whataboutism attempting to do just that. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #58

On my part, it is not a defense of anything, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #63

Nope. If you want to discuss what you think are bad acts by the US, then discuss bad acts by the US. stevenleser Aug 2017 #57

Wait you actually believe the US stopped intervening in other countries? malaise Aug 2017 #45

No, justifying Russian murders is "anti-war" BainsBane Aug 2017 #17

Not only that JI7 Aug 2017 #53

John Foster Dulles and his brother Allen Dulles Elwood P Dowd Aug 2017 #3

with the help of Kermit Roosevelt who was stationed with the CIA in Iran. Hamlette Aug 2017 #6

"And the truth shall set you free". oasis Aug 2017 #5

And it's been all downhill from there. Initech Aug 2017 #11

I was only 12. I was in the 6th grade. It wasn't my fault. trof Aug 2017 #47

Exactly. I wasn't even alive, nor was Barack Obama, President at the time of the Russian Hack stevenleser Aug 2017 #55

65 years later and the CIA is in the good guy crowd. tirebiter Aug 2017 #60

Thank you for the post! burrowowl Aug 2017 #62