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Willie Pep

(841 posts)
75. Most people are concerned with bread and butter issues not identity issues.
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:51 AM
Aug 2017

This is true for most whites and non-whites. The reason Democrats lose is not just because of voter suppression and gerrymandering but because our natural constituents, the working class and poor of every race, often stay home. Even without voter suppression and gerrymandering the Republicans have a natural political advantage when it comes to turnout because their base tends to be wealthier and more politically engaged so the GOP doesn't have to do much to get them to the polls, hence the term "broken-glass Republican."

Relying on a coalition of non-whites and white liberals is a recipe for disaster. For one thing, this coalition is heavily concentrated in certain states and metro areas. Given the federal nature of our system this means that huge swathes of the country have been largely abandoned by the Democratic Party with disastrous results at both the state level and the federal level. Another problem with this coalition is the assumption that non-whites will automatically vote for the Democrats. Trump did better than expected with minorities despite running perhaps the most racist major presidential campaign in recent history and it is not outside the realm of possibility that the Republicans can flip ethnic voters in the future. Plenty of white ethnics like the Irish, Italians and Poles are no longer solidly in the "D" column and I can see the same happening with some Asians and Hispanics (although probably not African-Americans).

You don't have to throw minorities and their interests under the bus to win elections but you do have to make a broader appeal and win over some white voters if we are going to get out of the hole that we are in. We cannot win more elections without white voters and the best way to win more of these people is through a stronger economic message since those are the issues these people care about the most. Whites who vote primarily based on identity and racism already vote for the GOP and will probably never vote for the Democrats so I am not talking about catering to those people. I am thinking of Obama-Trump voters and people who don't vote because they feel that neither party cares about their economic interests.

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Bannon was right on this... [View all] Comatose Sphagetti Aug 2017 OP
That only holds true until demographics overwhelm white identity voters. dawg Aug 2017 #1
He is right and most on DU thought we couldn't possibly lose last year doc03 Aug 2017 #4
You were RIGHTLY shot down last year, no one here is going to be convinced Russia wasn't a factor uponit7771 Aug 2017 #65
The election was so close any one of dozens of factors could have doc03 Aug 2017 #70
This was true before Kushners meeting was revealed, there's no need to white wash Russias effect uponit7771 Aug 2017 #71
true except for targeted voter suppression flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #5
30% of latino/hispanic voters went for Trump.... vi5 Aug 2017 #26
Perhaps its an error of perception on our part? white_wolf Aug 2017 #41
It is..... vi5 Aug 2017 #58
Demographics are moot if they don't show-up in midterm elections Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2017 #27
Actually, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We will not stop talking about ID issues haveahart Aug 2017 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #78
As soon as South Africa was majority black, the black people got the power and respect they deserved FiveGoodMen Aug 2017 #79
Not immediately. dawg Aug 2017 #80
Besides, I never said we will automatically win elections once the demographic shift is complete. dawg Aug 2017 #81
I hope you're right FiveGoodMen Aug 2017 #83
And Not Or Ohiya Aug 2017 #2
That's true. LWolf Aug 2017 #13
This is incorrect mcar Aug 2017 #18
No, it's correct. LWolf Aug 2017 #20
Who's refighting the primary? mcar Aug 2017 #21
Wow. LWolf Aug 2017 #23
Voters concerned about economy/jobs voted Dem. Voters concerned about terrorism/immigration voted emulatorloo Aug 2017 #44
That's a gross over-simplification. LWolf Aug 2017 #48
No, those are facts. Your analysis, such that it is, isn't fact based. It is based on a bunch of emulatorloo Aug 2017 #53
The only message I heard was "Trump Bad" Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2017 #31
Then you weren't paying attention, Senator emulatorloo Aug 2017 #45
You are correct, most coverage was about Clinton emails 1 week in (link) uponit7771 Aug 2017 #66
600 days of covering fricking emails mcar Aug 2017 #68
Engaging through identity politics is precarious and unwieldy Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2017 #47
Trump did very well running on White Identity Politics emulatorloo Aug 2017 #54
Trump owes his victory to the promise of a hard right supreme court for a generation Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2017 #64
We've got a Nazi-sympathizer President. So we should listen to Bannon and drop Civil Rights? emulatorloo Aug 2017 #74
No Democrat has said "drop civil rights" in fifty years Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2017 #84
"Stop talking about identity politics" equals stop talking about Civil Rights emulatorloo Aug 2017 #87
No it doesn't Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2017 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Aug 2017 #89
Examples of Democratic politicians or spokespersons "importing multi-hyphenated marxist nonsense" emulatorloo Aug 2017 #92
Start with the "Bernie Bro" narrative Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2017 #93
Pelosi and Schumer did that? I asked you about Democratic politicians/Democratic spokespersons emulatorloo Aug 2017 #94
Are John Lewis and Bill Clinton not sufficient? Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2017 #95
DING DING DING DING !!!! We can walk and chew gum at the same time !!! uponit7771 Aug 2017 #67
Long forgotten by many HopeAgain Aug 2017 #3
I don't think you understand lapfog_1 Aug 2017 #6
+1 leftstreet Aug 2017 #9
I understand perfectly. LWolf Aug 2017 #14
Liberals are robbing us blind? That's RW framing and I agree it's part of he problem. bettyellen Aug 2017 #35
Bannon's a liar and a Rovian Rat-Fucker. Now, name the Democrats in favor of "trickle-down" emulatorloo Aug 2017 #50
Agree Bannon's ideas are about bigotry. moondust Aug 2017 #22
Welcome to DU...thanks for sharing...totally disagree...your 'identity Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #7
Oh and for the record right wing Nazi pig Bannon is never right...never. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #8
Economic nationalism code for economic racism standingtall Aug 2017 #10
I'm talking about a strong economy in general... Comatose Sphagetti Aug 2017 #11
Yes. LWolf Aug 2017 #12
I like the establishment. People of color, LGBTQ, women, intellectuals, and VermontKevin Aug 2017 #16
Those are LWolf Aug 2017 #19
"Neoliberals?" Oh lordy. And "subgroups?" VermontKevin Aug 2017 #24
You are either LWolf Aug 2017 #30
I read your post just fine. I think you didn't realize just how it sounds until it was repeated VermontKevin Aug 2017 #43
No. Just no. LWolf Aug 2017 #46
Again. You used "subgroup." Tell us who you mean. VermontKevin Aug 2017 #49
He/she will never "name them", but we know who they mean. I appreciate your efforts here. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #52
I found the use of the term "subgroup" applied to the majority of Democratic voters VermontKevin Aug 2017 #61
Well said n/t emulatorloo Aug 2017 #55
People keep forgetting that Hillary WON the popular vote workinclasszero Aug 2017 #15
False choice. While I tend to think we need to improve... JHB Aug 2017 #17
YES. LWolf Aug 2017 #36
White nationalism edhopper Aug 2017 #25
That's Bannon's point, horrible as it is marylandblue Aug 2017 #32
Bannon's a lying rat-fucker. "Identity Politics" is a RW smear term for Civil Rights and equality emulatorloo Aug 2017 #37
Agreed 100% and that was a major theme of Trump's campaign emulatorloo Aug 2017 #39
The only thing that monster Bannon is "right" on is his monstrous politics. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2017 #28
Eh, I'll believe it when we run a candidate better suited to our times and still lose BeyondGeography Aug 2017 #29
Yeah, cuz a racist predatory capitalist who stiffs workers is not at all 'elite'. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #40
Bullshit. 6000eliot Aug 2017 #33
We have a strong economic message and Bannon is a Rovian Liar. Trump ran on White Identity Politics emulatorloo Aug 2017 #34
Racism is a 1/3 of the problem. imanamerican63 Aug 2017 #42
Good summary! KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2017 #51
Still work this even after what we saw this past week. "Jews will nor replace us " JI7 Aug 2017 #56
We know which element agrees with Bannon & we also know where he got this particular talking point. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #57
.... emulatorloo Aug 2017 #59
Translation: Democrats should not support civil rights so we don't offend Nazis emulatorloo Aug 2017 #60
Since at least 1970, there's been no conflict between economic justice and social justice movements. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #62
so we need to become repukes to beat repukes Skittles Aug 2017 #63
We did have a strong economic message. Identity politics trump economics, which is why both sides Azathoth Aug 2017 #69
They did a poor job of conveying that economic message. Ace Rothstein Aug 2017 #72
Hillary talked about jobs and infrastructure and all the rest Azathoth Aug 2017 #73
Most people are concerned with bread and butter issues not identity issues. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #75
We CAN do both, you know. RandySF Aug 2017 #76
Gee that sounds familiar. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #77
Has it never occurred to you that this could be a bluff Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #82
Before we let Steve Bannon tell us what to do RandySF Aug 2017 #85
Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote erpowers Aug 2017 #86
Calm down, broseph. Codeine Aug 2017 #90
Those neo-Nazis in Charlottesville were all about identity politics, though. alarimer Aug 2017 #91
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