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112. What is controversial about not having children when you can't afford them?

Tue Aug 22, 2017, 03:34 PM

Aug 2017

Daycare, diapers, food, clothing, school, etc. are all incredibly expensive. I was taught from a young age either to not have children or wait until I could properly support them.

Are you seriously recommending people have children they can't afford?

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Fran works six days a week in fast food, and yet she's homeless: 'It's economic slavery' [View all] turbinetree Aug 2017 OP

The poor get poorer and the rich get richer...have a nice future! BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #1

And I can still remember it was for kids in high school, to save money for a car...ha, not anymore.. turbinetree Aug 2017 #3

Republicans still say that... LakeArenal Aug 2017 #7

So fast food restaurants should be able to hire *only* teenagers More_Cowbell Aug 2017 #12

Yet FF restaurants are busy when a teenager is typically in school crazycatlady Aug 2017 #31

And most are open for breakfast TexasBushwhacker Aug 2017 #64

The reply is obvious, 'When people have more money to spend, they do.' nt procon Aug 2017 #37

There is a LOT of evidence for it. Adrahil Aug 2017 #113

Thats how it use to be, Sems like a million years ago..... Old Vet Aug 2017 #8

and with automation, fewer workers now make more cars DBoon Aug 2017 #108

All corporations are guilty WinstonSmith00 Aug 2017 #2

I will not go into any of these places----------I just will not............. turbinetree Aug 2017 #4

Love this tune... Heartstrings Aug 2017 #5

Tax the rich and feed the poor WinstonSmith00 Aug 2017 #6

The song lyrics don't mean what you think it means. PBass Aug 2017 #19

not knowing the song at all or the group or the author ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #29

Children are expensive FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #9

This. Sad truth. It's really sad, to me, how "the biological urge" overpowers everything. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2017 #13

Heard that. Maynar Aug 2017 #18

circumstances change and not in a good way.... dembotoz Aug 2017 #27

How dare you...completely misinterpret my point. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2017 #62

sounding very eugenics to me dembotoz Aug 2017 #66

What part of ALL is eugenics? n/t BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2017 #74

Cites? sharedvalues Aug 2017 #78

Amen to that. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2017 #44

Wow, good for them! BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2017 #73

Those experiments are now thought to be flawed sharedvalues Aug 2017 #80

Women's health care is so key. sharedvalues Aug 2017 #79

No. The developed world is BELOW replacement rate. We need more kids sharedvalues Aug 2017 #76

I feel the same way about this subject LittleGirl Aug 2017 #15

In many states, all forms of family planning are under attack by the Right Wing. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #35

Yep, I was born in Indiana LittleGirl Aug 2017 #42

Best way to keep woman poor. FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #46

as long as it's their LittleGirl Aug 2017 #71

That's why Hillary campaigned on affordable child care. sharedvalues Aug 2017 #82

I took several courses on this very subject. phylny Aug 2017 #65

I probably read the same LittleGirl Aug 2017 #88

We need gov't and society to improve child care and health care sharedvalues Aug 2017 #81

It's awful LittleGirl Aug 2017 #89

I still say the conservatives want to outlaw or kill abortion services Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #21

They want women trapped in poverty FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #38

Someone has to do the low paying, shitty jobs TexasBushwhacker Aug 2017 #59

The world is not that black and white; I'm surprised you don't know that. procon Aug 2017 #39

You read a lot into a simple fact that children are expensive FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #40

You based your argument on the poor "choices" women make. procon Aug 2017 #43

Having children when you can't afford them is a poor choice. Period. FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #45

Is it a terribly poor choice when wealthy and later bankrupted by medical bills? LanternWaste Aug 2017 #47

That wasn't her situation though FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #51

This is why it is imperative that we have fact based sex education in public schools TexasBushwhacker Aug 2017 #57

So poor people should know better than to have children & if they do it's their fault they're poor? hedda_foil Aug 2017 #96

What is controversial about not having children when you can't afford them? FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #112

I suspect many do choose not to have children due to economics DBoon Aug 2017 #109

Which is why it's no surprise the GOP is taking away birth control options. FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #110

Several fast food chains around us have signs up starting @ $10-$12 and benefits Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #10

If we had gov't healthcare* that would look even better. sharedvalues Aug 2017 #83

And by all means--- zentrum Aug 2017 #11

This is the main reason why St Louis MO increased the min. wage SWBTATTReg Aug 2017 #14

And some DU posters were cheering liquid diamond Aug 2017 #16

I didn't see anyone cheering necessarily. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2017 #20

I think it's great a woman of color is successful. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #48

It's not a corporation's duty to provide a living wage for a single mother of two taught_me_patience Aug 2017 #17

Morality and fairness are values Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #22

37 yo mother of two, fast food worker for 22 years bigbrother05 Aug 2017 #23

THAN YOU someone here is looking at reality Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #26

+1! sharedvalues Aug 2017 #85

Corporations are human and planetary destroyers-they need to be controlled Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #24

And what choices are those? BainsBane Aug 2017 #25

Having a second child taught_me_patience Aug 2017 #36

Do you think $9.50 an hour would support her and a first child? BainsBane Aug 2017 #41

I'd pretend to know her skill-level as well as her choices as well if it validated my biases LanternWaste Aug 2017 #50

Internet discussion boards. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #99

How does she pay for school? Ilsa Aug 2017 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Aug 2017 #68

I didn't say anything about school taught_me_patience Aug 2017 #86

Sounds to me like her life has plenty of stress, Ilsa Aug 2017 #94

The racism is DRIPPING off this board Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #102

It's making me sick. Can anything be done about it? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #103

Welcome to America. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #104

I know. I just wish it was less common... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #105

It is really disgusting, INDEED! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #107

Are you calling me racist? taught_me_patience Aug 2017 #106

or cold-hardheartedness anyway BainsBane Aug 2017 #111

That whole "personal responsibility" bullshit started by whites against blacks. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #114

It's not that, it's that it's an entry level job. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #30

Yes, it is -- with supplemental help from the government obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #49

Minimum wage never has been nor never will be a living wage for a single mother of two taught_me_patience Aug 2017 #56

It's society's (read government's) role to give poor people like her a chance sharedvalues Aug 2017 #84

How very Republican of you. white_wolf Aug 2017 #100

It sure as FUCK is otherwise there is NO Reason for it to exist. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #101

Started with Reagan. Hieronymus Aug 2017 #28

CEO wants a bigger bonus. moondust Aug 2017 #32

Is the father supporting his kids? nt MichMan Aug 2017 #33

I wondered about that too n/t TexasBushwhacker Aug 2017 #58

I'm guessing not on a regular basis, if at all nt steve2470 Aug 2017 #61

Thank you. The children weren't immaculate conceptions. Tatiana Aug 2017 #72

I call it "economic terrorism". Initech Aug 2017 #34

Many of the comments on this thread sicken me obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #52

+! jalan48 Aug 2017 #54

+1 leftstreet Aug 2017 #55

Yep. Thought I had ventured into FR for a moment. SMC22307 Aug 2017 #63

+infinity BainsBane Aug 2017 #70

It's fucking horrifying Nevernose Aug 2017 #75

+1 raven mad Aug 2017 #87

Some people have broken moral compasses, instead of attempting to shame them... Humanist_Activist Aug 2017 #91

I concur. stranger81 Aug 2017 #92

You said it so much better than I ever could. phylny Aug 2017 #95

+10 HughBeaumont Aug 2017 #97

Absolutely correct Orrex Aug 2017 #98

Interesting that this is being covered in a British newspaper oberliner Aug 2017 #53

harsh realities are downplayed or completely ignored by our media steve2470 Aug 2017 #60

Marion just needs to work hard liquid diamond Aug 2017 #69

We need a higher min wage. $12 or $13. And we must require 40 hrs/wk w/ benefits. sharedvalues Aug 2017 #77

It's only going to get worse for these people. Fast food jobs are being phased out LittleBlue Aug 2017 #90

Everyone should earn a livable ($15+/hr) wage mvd Aug 2017 #93

The real tragedy here isn't Marion's situation, HeartachesNhangovers Aug 2017 #115