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delisen

(7,348 posts)
44. Not true. We have political solutions.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:18 PM
Aug 2017


Show me the the line in the Constitution that that says a vice-president upon ascension to the presidency (but facing possible prosecution for crimes which led to his illegitimately becoming vp), can't make a deal to name a member of a different political party from his own or someone who does not belong to a political party, as his new vp and then resign, in order to lessen his punishment.

The 25th amendment specifies a method of succession, nothing more. It also does not address political parties. A president, to fill a vp vacancy may propose as vp anyone who has the basic qualifications to be president.

The Constitution does not address plea bargaining-yet it is a big part of our justice system.

Gerald Ford was named by the-almost-certain-to-be-impeached Nixon as vp. There is nothing in the Constitution to have prevented Nixon from naming a Democrat.

It was merely politically unlikely that that he would do so. Besides, Democrats in Congress were comfortable with Gerald Ford.

However Nixon was never suspected of colluding with a foreign power to attain the presidency-just covering up his administration's burglary of the opposite party's headquarters, shakedowns of corporations and various domestic crimes.

He was never suspected of making deals with the USSR or China to fix the election of 1972.

We are in new political territory here. we don't know how far into the Republican Party the Russians infiltrated. Pence?, Mc Connell?. Ryan?. Nunes?

We. may never know because the investigators may decide to focus on money laundering, for example.

But the Constitution does not prevent the scenario I proposed.

Politics may stand in the way. Our own political will for justice may stand in the way.

I personally like the concept of justice. I like to see wrongs righted on a large scale. I think one of the weaknesses of the Democratic Party has been lack of appropriate outrage in the face of the attacks upon our democracy.

We tend to think small, while the anti-democracy forces keep marching over us.

I think non-Democrats see us as weak because we don't demand justice.

How many times have I heard Democrats say that we have to work extra-hard to get out the vote because Republicans cheat.

Cheating the vote is outrageous, and the response should be outrage-not acceptance and "who can we run in 2020?"

If we don't stand strong now, it doesn't matter who we run in 2020.


















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Trump is Done [View all] jalan48 Aug 2017 OP
GUILTY Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #1
Gosh, if I had a dollar for every time I've heard "Trump's done" AJT Aug 2017 #2
LOL I know what you mean. Maybe it's because I haven't watched cable news in months. jalan48 Aug 2017 #3
Maybe the threat of releasing the pee pee tapes if he doesn't resign would do it. AJT Aug 2017 #5
I don't think the pee pee tape scares him... Whiskeytide Aug 2017 #37
No way... Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #40
Trump's supporters will cry foul....er....fake news ollie10 Aug 2017 #51
He won't be impeached but may resign unblock Aug 2017 #8
The DT juggernaut will roll on... pat_k Aug 2017 #11
Yes the massive repeal and replacement of Obamacare was a major Trump accomplishment emulatorloo Aug 2017 #31
Perhaps you missed... pat_k Aug 2017 #45
We had a chance in November but voters blew it...what saddens me is some called themselves Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #59
He will go one way or the other...resignation or the 25th...he has obstructed justice...and is Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #14
I would not bet on it. greytdemocrat Aug 2017 #4
Picking a. Fight with McConnell will surely not help him Egnever Aug 2017 #6
He's betting that McConnell won't do a thing WhiteTara Aug 2017 #29
Didn't watch cnn but I think Trump is done too. I think it was McConnell himself who was the SweetieD Aug 2017 #7
It feels that way to me. It's no longer an act, Trump is unhinged and he will be forced out. jalan48 Aug 2017 #10
Most likely he is "done" only in the "lame duck" sense unblock Aug 2017 #9
I think we're going to be stuck with President Pence. Arrrrgh. C Moon Aug 2017 #12
Democrats are so passive. We should be demanding that Clinton delisen Aug 2017 #13
There is no mechanism in our Republic to make a person president. Once the electoral college has Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #15
It's unfortunate seeing as the electoral col members who voted for Trump sold out the US to Putin ck4829 Aug 2017 #17
Not true. There is also deal-making. Political solutions. delisen Aug 2017 #20
+1000 ck4829 Aug 2017 #28
Please cite the Constitutional provision. Surely it's in there somewhere. longship Aug 2017 #43
Not true. We have political solutions. delisen Aug 2017 #44
There are no fucking Mulligans for Presidential elections. longship Aug 2017 #46
There is no point in pursuing this. When Trump goes, GOP will take his place. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #49
Democrats are much more accepting than are Republicans delisen Aug 2017 #50
The reason we have Gorsuch is because stupid voters elected Trump...you have to have the majority Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #58
One reason we have Gorsuch is that McConnell was successful delisen Aug 2017 #62
True...but we lost the Senate...we didn't have to...had our people turned out, there would be no Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #63
I agree with that. delisen Aug 2017 #64
Democrats have to understand that they must vote for Democrats period...and you Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #65
Hillary would have to be voted Speaker of the House, Volaris Aug 2017 #48
No. there would only need to be a vacancy in the presidency and Pence delisen Aug 2017 #61
The GOP would have no mechanism to overturn an election either...bitch though they might. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #16
No one is talking about overturning an election. The delisen Aug 2017 #27
But I've read a ton of wishful thinking on DU! Orrex Aug 2017 #18
It's not wishful thinking, it's deal-making and creating conditions for same delisen Aug 2017 #22
Got a link to a credible source? Orrex Aug 2017 #25
Sorry, your post makes no sense to me? Can you elaborate? delisen Aug 2017 #30
I confess that yours made no sense to me either Orrex Aug 2017 #32
Don't use twitter; don't see any relevance to my post so I won't respond. delisen Aug 2017 #33
The whole thread is about a twitter story Orrex Aug 2017 #34
No reference to twitter in original post, as you must know delisen Aug 2017 #55
Holy shit! Did I post my first reply in the wrong thread? Orrex Aug 2017 #56
YEP Cosmocat Aug 2017 #21
Honestly, I think we should focus on getting Trump out. Deal making for a Clinton Presidency will jalan48 Aug 2017 #35
If we did that, the the Russia investigation would appear to be totally political CanonRay Aug 2017 #39
Clinton is not in the chain of succession ollie10 Aug 2017 #52
Should we not pursue the Russia interference for fear of delisen Aug 2017 #60
It doesn't mercuryblues Aug 2017 #19
You see doom, I see opportunity. delisen Aug 2017 #24
Not quite yet. Trump has a small base of very committed (cult-like) followers. Oneironaut Aug 2017 #23
No, he's not oberliner Aug 2017 #26
For profit media. They are not our friends. They are chasing the money and creating the news. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #36
You don't understand NPD if you think he's done Arazi Aug 2017 #38
Until Republicans in Congress actually do something concrete against Trump NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #41
Not quite yet steve2470 Aug 2017 #42
Break out the fork Blue Owl Aug 2017 #47
Trump will be a 2-termer. SpankMe Aug 2017 #53
I'm really worried SCOTUS will side with the cons on gerrymandering. Initech Aug 2017 #54
Now this is one I would bet money against. jalan48 Aug 2017 #57
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