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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
116. I agree that that happened.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:33 PM
Aug 2017

And I haven't ever defended the decision of people who SAID they voted Sanders in the primaries to NOT support the ticket. Not once.

Here's the things I'd have done differently in the fall:

1) I'd have centered the fall campaign on the platform, and abandoned all attack ads against Trump after the first round of them ran and we had proof they weren't swinging votes our way. Trump IS everything the ads said about him on a personal level, but it was obvious at the start that the voters didn't CARE. The voters wanted to know what our ticket would do-that's what they cared about more than anything else. The platform was great, but after the convention the party didn't mention it in the ads or all that much in the stump speech. It was important to keep mentioning the platform AND to reference the fact that the Sanders campaign had influenced it significantly, because younger voters in particular, the ones we needed to stay in the game and work for/vote for the ticket, needed to be shown that what they had done for all those months may have ended in the defeat of the candidate, but not in the defeat of the ideas they had worked for. Very often these young people were being told, at various levels, that they should just shut up and fall in line, that they had wasted their time for a year and a half, that they had accomplished nothing. As a party, we should have seen these people as a resource and an opportunity for growth; instead, they were more often than not treated as a nuisance.

2) I'd have run ads specifically targeting those voters during the fall campaign-not kowtowing to them, but validating and respecting the work they'd done, presenting the party as a place where they'd be welcome as a group to keep working for what they cared about. I'd have set up phone banking pitches they could do where they would ask for votes for the ticket AS former Sanders activists that were based on that theme;

3) In her acceptance speech, I'd have had HRC make it clear that there was never any significant difference between Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters on anti-oppression issues, that both groups were equally antiracist, pro-LGBTQ, pro-choice, pro-feminist, and anti-police violence. I'd also have had the party make it clear that there was never any good reason to set up a previously nonexistent rivalry between the social justice and economic justice movements. Whatever missteps Bernie himself made as a candidate, his supporters never deserved the collective distrust and hostility they received on that issue;

4) If she was under pressure to allow ambiguity in the platform language on TPP, I'd have had her staffers make sure nobody pulled a Terry McAuliffe on that issue. And I'd have had her go to states where the deal went badly and have town halls where she listened to those who were hurt by trade globalization, where she made it clear that she understood that many had been harmed for no good reason and that, even if we were to have more of these deals, they have to be negotiated in the future in such a way as to at least minimize

5) After the election, I'd mainly say that, if it's toxic to say we should have nominated someone else, it should be regarded as equally toxic to keep arguing that Bernie shouldn't have been allowed in the primaries. Both of these people represent something equally legitimate within the party and the country, and we can't win if either's supporters are given the cold shoulder. It's bad politics to drive away people you're going to need next time.

6) I'd set up dialog groups between former Clinton and former Sanders supporters, all over the country, where they could sit down and explain to each other which are the best and worst ways to communicate with each other, where they could talk about changing the way these groups communicate with each other. These are two groups of people who have always had more in common than not on what they want...it's time to get them talking WITH each other in a positive way, especially here online, where the most damaging things are said. After that, I'd send them out together to do voter registration, re-registration or re-credentialing work in states where voter suppression has done the most damage.

Those are some of the things I'd have done and would suggest doing. They are all about

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Exacyly. I'm fact, some trump voters would have voted Sanders had he been the nominee. snowy owl Aug 2017 #1
DURec leftstreet Aug 2017 #2
The issue is not with the article rufus dog Aug 2017 #3
Well put. It's about what the article is being used for. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #7
Yes. HughBeaumont Aug 2017 #17
So we're back to needing the "not all" preface? Oh jeeze. bettyellen Aug 2017 #84
We're back to not blaming an entire campaign for what a small sliver of people did. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #90
Again- you are conflating some voters w the campaign. Some voters were GOPers exhorted to vote bettyellen Aug 2017 #93
You seem to think that acknowledging the effects of TPP in the Upper Midwest means dismissing Ken Burch Aug 2017 #101
You want to bring this back to the primaries and I refuse to. We're taking the general.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #107
Why do you think I want to bring this back to the primaries? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #118
Fixing the voter suppression and finding out the depth of Russian interference are not campaign bettyellen Aug 2017 #121
If people slammed her for that, they were idiots. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #122
Anyone can point to one factor and say it swung it. It was that close. bettyellen Aug 2017 #123
I'm with you on all of that. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #127
It feel so like the dark ages. We need more people out there fighting. bettyellen Aug 2017 #129
Just concede that the headline AS IS is an undeserving broadbrush. HughBeaumont Aug 2017 #97
Most headlines are inaccurate clickbait, so yeah. But it's a new poll and as such... bettyellen Aug 2017 #99
There were red flags in Ohio for sure. HughBeaumont Aug 2017 #102
I agree that she overreached because their polling was pretty flawed. From what I understand they bettyellen Aug 2017 #109
I agree with all you wrote there. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #120
Ding Ding Ding: We have a winner! Chasstev365 Aug 2017 #104
Another thing that is not discussed GeoWilliam750 Aug 2017 #9
Is there any data on that? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #20
And then by positing his own questionable cause, lapucelle Aug 2017 #103
Another data question Jim Lane Aug 2017 #115
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #28
Ken the Newsweek article is about the --minority-- of Sanders voters who did not vote Dem in the GE emulatorloo Aug 2017 #4
I believe the intent is to absolve Sanders voters rufus dog Aug 2017 #5
I am aware of all of that. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #6
I do not believe applegrove posted the article to invalidate the Sander's campaign emulatorloo Aug 2017 #8
Read the later responses in this thread. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #43
Perhaps that's because of your confirmation bias? emulatorloo Aug 2017 #111
For the life of me madokie Aug 2017 #18
There are those whose hatred of Hillary was greater than dislike of Trump n2doc Aug 2017 #22
It's a mistake to put it down to "hatred of Hillary". Ken Burch Aug 2017 #42
There were many reasons why Trump won n2doc Aug 2017 #45
Fair enough. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #49
If you go to JPR you will see the mindset that produced this. Its twisted and tortured but its there stevenleser Aug 2017 #38
Thats just a few individuals madokie Aug 2017 #47
I'm not saying JPR has more than a hundred or so sick individuals. The point is however, the talking stevenleser Aug 2017 #95
See also wayofthebern on Reddit. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #110
I can only imagine. Probably the same garbage right? stevenleser Aug 2017 #124
Same with me. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #44
I can't either burrowowl Aug 2017 #131
Seems to me that before any conclusions can be drawn, the data has to be corrected for voter diva77 Aug 2017 #10
This is a really important point Bettie Aug 2017 #30
Given that these were people who voted, those aren't relevant mythology Aug 2017 #46
I get what you're saying. My point is that even if those people voted the way they say they voted, diva77 Aug 2017 #88
Thank you. FOR EXAMPLE -- RandomAccess Aug 2017 #126
thanks for the links diva77 Aug 2017 #130
We continue to make these mistakes because we are passionate. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2017 #11
It hurts all of us MFM008 Aug 2017 #13
The "hate" on Hillary has been festering and fed for decades. Hulk Aug 2017 #12
The Democratic Party had better come out with a strong, clear and concise message, or it won't be rpannier Aug 2017 #14
One message won't work everywhere...we must tailor the message to the state. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #27
There's no place where we have to nominate people who will pledge Ken Burch Aug 2017 #36
You always need Joe Manchin types for red states...we never had the majority without a big tent. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #106
What a steaming pile of bullpucky. Double-speak word-salad at its finest. DetlefK Aug 2017 #15
Don't confuse them with facts. nt Trumpocalypse Aug 2017 #21
Bernie's campaign didn't cause anyone who would otherwise voted HRC in the fall to avoid doing so. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #37
But your OP isn't about his campaign. Your OP talks about Bernie-voters. DetlefK Aug 2017 #40
This is simply a group of people who voted for Bernie once. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #48
This is why your OPs are wrongheaded. The poll is counting voters, period. bettyellen Aug 2017 #87
+1 nt Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #94
Best... reply... EVER! Nailed it. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #100
Snore. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #16
Just an opinion - not a response Justice Aug 2017 #19
Correlation is evidence, just often piss poor evidence Major Nikon Aug 2017 #54
How many wrote in Sanders when he wasn't on the ballot? nm MichMan Aug 2017 #23
Don't know. And I've never defended anyone who did. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #34
"We have no evidence for any conclusions about these people beyond that." betsuni Aug 2017 #24
Yes. Alienation. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #33
What is status quo? betsuni Aug 2017 #39
OK...the overall political culture in D.C. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #50
Go to JPR and read past threads. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #25
this obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #31
Believe it or not LovesPNW Aug 2017 #56
There is no question that some of those who supported Sen. Sanders refused to vote for Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #105
Typical joeybee12 Aug 2017 #26
yup obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #32
Are you moving us forward with this? Cary Aug 2017 #29
A small percent of Bernie voters are coal miners and misogynists. So what? lostnfound Aug 2017 #35
Bernie did not get any significant support from misogynists. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #55
"Every supporter" BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #125
The horse is dead, Ken. blogslut Aug 2017 #41
I proved I accepted the primaries by campaigning for HRC in the fall. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #58
RIP, horse. blogslut Aug 2017 #59
I'm beating no horse. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #61
+1. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #71
What's the name of your dog? WhiteTara Aug 2017 #51
He wasn't. Hillary would have done worse if he'd been barred from the primaries. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #52
"No chance of getting anyone with occupy values" to vote for HRC? That's patently false. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #57
Not without their being an Occupy candidate in the primaries. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #60
You say "they" as if you claim some privileged understanding of an exceptionally diverse coalition. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #63
I do know they rejected the limits of mainstream politics. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #67
Your congoing effort to consider "them" a singular bloc betrays a need to oversimplify. Why? (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #68
I take them seriously. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #70
Again with the "they". Some did, some didn't. Seeking company in the depths of self-recrimination? FreepFryer Aug 2017 #72
Some did...BECAUSE Bernie had been in the race, because they had been heard. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #75
Defensive & false."None of their values had been included in the primary discussion" is a giveaway. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #76
True. WhiteTara Aug 2017 #81
After he LOST the primary WhiteTara Aug 2017 #62
His speech in Philly WAS a full throated endorsement. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #69
Knowing this was an active Russian effort to split the Democrats, did he do all he could to unite? FreepFryer Aug 2017 #73
Seee dossier's page 15 for a lot more on the Russian conspiracy to subvert the Democratic Party vote FreepFryer Aug 2017 #83
Mendacity Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #74
I expect people to believe the truth. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #79
Ken. I see you are very attached WhiteTara Aug 2017 #77
+1. Also have no interest - neither in absolution nor refighting the primary. FreepFryer Aug 2017 #80
I've dwelled on the TPP because it elected Trump. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #85
Me thinks thou doth protest too much. nt. WhiteTara Aug 2017 #86
I supported and campaigned for the ticket Ken Burch Aug 2017 #89
Okay, I'm taking a break from work, so WhiteTara Aug 2017 #108
I agree that that happened. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #116
Join your local Party. WhiteTara Aug 2017 #117
I've been locall involved the whole time. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #119
Thanks Ken LovesPNW Aug 2017 #53
The rhetoric isn't as lame as the strawmen. BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #98
It was always bullshit Major Nikon Aug 2017 #64
Not Voting Has Consequences Too ollie10 Aug 2017 #65
So, basically, Sanders eventually exhorting people who voted for him in the primaries stopbush Aug 2017 #66
Indeed. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #91
Bullshit. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #78
Logic? Math? Statistical scattering? I suppose you'll be using science and reason next!! Bucky Aug 2017 #82
I don't doubt that some Sanders voters voted for Trump... kentuck Aug 2017 #92
This may be saying the same thing GaryCnf Aug 2017 #96
This is the same argument that blames Nader voters for Bush. alarimer Aug 2017 #112
It's often important we fend both off injury and keep safe our sacred cows LanternWaste Aug 2017 #113
We all know 80-90% of Sanders voters voted for Hillary. DemocraticWing Aug 2017 #114
My point exactly. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #128
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