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muriel_volestrangler

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96. You keep talking about 'threats'. There were no threats.

Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:39 PM

Aug 2017

It's not just me who thinks she didn't break the law:

Since Starbucks is a public place and I was a paying guest, I knew I hadn’t violated any laws. At worst, I could be banned from the building. I expected from past protest actions that I’d be given a warning and a request to leave. I clearly and politely explained to the NYPD officers who detained me that the protest was done and I was heading out.

If someone hung a banner in a PP lobby, I'd expect them to be escorted off the premises, and told they must never come back again, or it will be trespass. If they just hung a banner, no, it doesn't sound like disorderly conduct. It's not disruptive.

And, of course, she hasn't been charged with anything.

Why are you calling hanging a banner a 'threat'? Why are you talking about assassination? Have you misunderstood, or are you trying to distort what happened?

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I was detained for protesting Trump. Heres what the Secret Service asked me [View all] MiniMe Aug 2017 OP

Starbucks isn't a public place. It's a private business. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #1

Absolute nonsense. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #7

The Secret Service existed before the Waffen-SS. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #42

Thy overstepped and are acting like brown shirts and I will equate the two...when they attempt to Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #91

Cool story. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #117

it is also a public accommodation. ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #12

Walk into a Starbucks and start a protest. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #40

Your last line is the key IMO Orrex Aug 2017 #46

Correct. Ghandi paid many a price for civil disobedience in India. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #53

You are right, it is a business that serves the public, and this is a perfect example of civil still_one Aug 2017 #49

Civil DISobedience, you mean. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #50

yup, thanks. Just corrected it. still_one Aug 2017 #59

can you wear a MAGA hat greymattermom Aug 2017 #62

Yes. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #63

Some hats are better than others :-) FakeNoose Aug 2017 #109

Generally you'd be asked to stop, and leave, and THEN trespassed off the property if AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #69

Sure, if the Starbucks was on any street corner. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #70

I agree it comes with a price. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #71

I didn't get past the paywall to see that information. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #73

"Over-charged"? What? Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #77

It's a riff on 'price to be paid'. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #78

Secret Service has been doing the same for decades for every President Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #83

I wouldn't expect it for an action that isn't remotely threatening. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #88

Your job isn't to be as thorough as possible to spot any possible threat Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #90

Wait, so there were no charges? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #82

Why are you so adamant about sticking up for trump? George II Aug 2017 #72

I am NOT sticking up for Trump in ANY way. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #75

Can we calmly discuss this issue, without assumptions about the person's motive? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #76

the atrium is on the second floor. der drumpfenfuhrer's residence is not. niyad Aug 2017 #94

If its open to the general public its not a private business. procon Aug 2017 #16

One of the conditions on which trump received approval to erect the building, is that.... George II Aug 2017 #35

Anyone can enter. Not anyone can start a protest or hang a banner. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #41

Neither of which is a felony or even misdemeanor. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #54

Trespassing is a misdemeanor. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #57

No. You are confusing two concepts. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #60

It's interesting, we have a generation of folks who think there are / should be no consequences.. X_Digger Aug 2017 #103

The atrium in which Starbuck's is located is a public place. George II Aug 2017 #33

1964 Civil Rights Act SCantiGOP Aug 2017 #48

Title II of the CRA made no such claim. "Public Accommodation" is not "public place" X_Digger Aug 2017 #104

It is within a public place, aka Trump Tower. Anyone may enter. Hence,...... WinkyDink Aug 2017 #52

But not anyone can start a protest. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #55

Correct. H2O Man Aug 2017 #80

I understand this was very unnerving leftynyc Aug 2017 #2

I agree. cwydro Aug 2017 #11

Unless you're the victim, literally NEVER talk to cops Nevernose Aug 2017 #23

Also This WoonTars Aug 2017 #85

Have your lawyer on standup when you do it. SharonClark Aug 2017 #67

This WoonTars Aug 2017 #84

The Secret Service is rather serious about investigating even the slightest possible threat Lurks Often Aug 2017 #3

They do get paid to do it Not Ruth Aug 2017 #6

Well, not anymore. Twitler ate up their budget on golf outings. catbyte Aug 2017 #15

True ck4829 Aug 2017 #25

How do mere words constitute a "threat"? procon Aug 2017 #21

The Secret Service took action to look into a POTENTIAL threat Lurks Often Aug 2017 #64

not really azureblue Aug 2017 #29

Keyword is investigating. That does not create a "trampling rights zone." L. Coyote Aug 2017 #30

Does the Secret Service do the questioning of the neighbors? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #4

I'm not surprised they detained her and asked her questions. This country is in such a RKP5637 Aug 2017 #5

I am wondering if the next President will allow her to be a White House tour guide again Not Ruth Aug 2017 #8

Clearly...they were Trump supporters. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #9

Plus, I'd bet the ones actually in Trump Tower... forgotmylogin Aug 2017 #27

Yep, definitely! I would sure be edgy! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #44

Starbucks is not a public place,it's private so it should have been up to THEIR management.... Bengus81 Aug 2017 #10

They were doing their job Roland99 Aug 2017 #13

actually, no azureblue Aug 2017 #34

Ten years ago I'd say you were wrong. defacto7 Aug 2017 #45

Your very wrong here Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #81

That would be up to Starbuck's to decide, not the NYPD or Secret Service. Not a 'law' matter muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #86

No, your still wrong Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #89

No, investigating medical records is not reasonable muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #92

You keep claiming she didn't break any law Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #95

You keep talking about 'threats'. There were no threats. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #96

I never called it a threat Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #97

Again, you call this 'illegal'. It was not. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #98

Civil disobedience, BY DEFINITION, is breaking the law. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #99

It was a protest. That does not define it as "an act of civil disobedience" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #100

Protesting inside a place of business is trespassing. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #101

Law applying to New York that says protest in a business is illegal right from the start, please muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #107

You really think it's legal to protest INSIDE a place of business? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #108

I think there's probably no law explicitly against it. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #110

Go hang a banner in a local business that is not yours. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #111

So far, someone has done this, and not been charged, which they expected muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #113

Just because you break the law, doesn't mean you get charged. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #115

By the way, what's your address? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #116

As I said, the burden of proof is on you. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #118

Here's some important fucking information. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #119

I don't think you understand the difference between a right, and something not being illegal muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #120

I have no idea why you're so obtuse about this. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #121

Here's an example: you do not have a right to enter a nightclub wearing whatever you like muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #122

And once you've broken their rules Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #123

Once you've broken their rules, you have to leave. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #124

If you walked into my music shop and hung ANY sign, Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #125

Trespassing. n/t X_Digger Aug 2017 #105

You tell a protester is non-violent by observing them. Medical records do not say muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #87

I thought maybe they'd hit you up for spare change. . .n/t annabanana Aug 2017 #14

You win the thread. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2017 #20

A few things here.... but people who protested Obama like that got the same basic treatment Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #17

Which law was violated here? redgreenandblue Aug 2017 #22

Not legal to put your banners on property owned by other people Saboburns Aug 2017 #26

but the ss is not there to enforce that city law azureblue Aug 2017 #38

The 'federal agency' that did this was in place to protect the POTUS on his property. Texin Aug 2017 #61

If you read it again NYPD is who detained her first Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #93

That's not the only thing. forgotmylogin Aug 2017 #31

Just carrying it would still not be allowed Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #36

Why would she conceal the sign if it were legal? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #47

There are many things Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #32

In short, yes. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #68

Fits right in with the DOJ prosecuting protesters from the inauguration. sinkingfeeling Aug 2017 #18

"Since Starbucks is a public place and I was a paying guest," Orrex Aug 2017 #19

EXACTLY! nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #43

It is a public place SCantiGOP Aug 2017 #56

Does that grant you the right to decorate a restaurant? Orrex Aug 2017 #58

"I'm sorry I don't worship the President like he's a god" ck4829 Aug 2017 #24

I assume that the Secret Service has legal authority or tenant permission to take actions... Princess Turandot Aug 2017 #28

You don't think her treatment was excessive? Duppers Aug 2017 #37

"SS should know half of the US hates Trump by now" Not Ruth Aug 2017 #51

This treatment was authoritarian thuggishness. Duppers Aug 2017 #39

Yes, half of the country despises Trump. So how would SS possibly keep track of half of the country? YoungDemCA Aug 2017 #74

So she was wearing the banner under her skirt, like a slip. greymattermom Aug 2017 #65

Love her fight. So sorry they harassed her in such a manner. Hope she gets ACLU involved. iluvtennis Aug 2017 #66

Businesses open to the public do have some discretion on what they allow you to do inwiththenew Aug 2017 #79

Kick for exposure! red dog 1 Aug 2017 #102

Why did they ask if she had thought of sucide or attempted it? Doreen Aug 2017 #106

There's broad misunderstanding of the situation on the thread. FBaggins Aug 2017 #112

Ah, now that's worth considering. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #114