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In reply to the discussion: Response to the argument that "Sanders voters" put Trump in office. [View all]RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)126. Thank you. FOR EXAMPLE --
Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives
Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
And there are a lot of other pieces, but here's one:
PALMER: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/
The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trumps shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation despite each working independently and using differing methodologies somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.
Ask any statistician and theyll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.
According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. Thats not how numbers tend to work in the real world.
On its own, this kin of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/
The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trumps shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation despite each working independently and using differing methodologies somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.
Ask any statistician and theyll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.
According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. Thats not how numbers tend to work in the real world.
On its own, this kin of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.
More from Palast:
Greg Palast? @Greg_Palast
1. WaPo says #Trump won because "fewer blacks voted." They left out that Black folk TRIED to vote and were blocked
2. WaPo points out "change in turnout rates for different racial/ethnic groups" was "especially strong" in key swing states (MI, WI, PA)
3. But WaPo fails to mention 75,355 ballots, mostly in Detroit, werent counted fully explaining the Black vote drop in MI for example
4. If Black votes were counted & Blacks not blocked at polls, Trump would still be grabbing crotches in Trump Tower https://www.scribd.com/document/347821649/Priorities-USA-Voter-Suppression-Memo
5. States with highest Black vote drop (MI, WI, OH, NC) had biggest vote list purges and new ID laws. Its not "turn-out," its Jim Crow.
6. Blacks were NOT ALLOWED to vote https://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-suppressed-200000-votes-trump-won-by-23000/
7. Add in students without the new IDs required in places like Madison, WI & Ann Arbor, MI https://www.scribd.com/document/347821649/Priorities-USA-Voter-Suppression-Memo
8. And add those who couldn't give "acceptable" proof of citizenship http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2017/05/02/maricopa-county-voter-registration-citizenship-adrian-fontes/308435001/
9. I repeat: Its not "turn-out" its Jim Crow. Pls support our investigation into the theft of the 2016 election
Link to tweet
1. WaPo says #Trump won because "fewer blacks voted." They left out that Black folk TRIED to vote and were blocked
2. WaPo points out "change in turnout rates for different racial/ethnic groups" was "especially strong" in key swing states (MI, WI, PA)
3. But WaPo fails to mention 75,355 ballots, mostly in Detroit, werent counted fully explaining the Black vote drop in MI for example
4. If Black votes were counted & Blacks not blocked at polls, Trump would still be grabbing crotches in Trump Tower https://www.scribd.com/document/347821649/Priorities-USA-Voter-Suppression-Memo
5. States with highest Black vote drop (MI, WI, OH, NC) had biggest vote list purges and new ID laws. Its not "turn-out," its Jim Crow.
6. Blacks were NOT ALLOWED to vote https://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-suppressed-200000-votes-trump-won-by-23000/
7. Add in students without the new IDs required in places like Madison, WI & Ann Arbor, MI https://www.scribd.com/document/347821649/Priorities-USA-Voter-Suppression-Memo
8. And add those who couldn't give "acceptable" proof of citizenship http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2017/05/02/maricopa-county-voter-registration-citizenship-adrian-fontes/308435001/
9. I repeat: Its not "turn-out" its Jim Crow. Pls support our investigation into the theft of the 2016 election
Brookings?Verified account @BrookingsInst
Link to tweet
And speaking of FLorida, I read the other day -- but also remember from the time -- that during early voting Clinton had wrapped up Florida, that it was "mathematically impossible" for her not to win FL. And yet, she didn't. How can that be?
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Response to the argument that "Sanders voters" put Trump in office. [View all]
Ken Burch
Aug 2017
OP
Exacyly. I'm fact, some trump voters would have voted Sanders had he been the nominee.
snowy owl
Aug 2017
#1
We're back to not blaming an entire campaign for what a small sliver of people did.
Ken Burch
Aug 2017
#90
Again- you are conflating some voters w the campaign. Some voters were GOPers exhorted to vote
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#93
You seem to think that acknowledging the effects of TPP in the Upper Midwest means dismissing
Ken Burch
Aug 2017
#101
You want to bring this back to the primaries and I refuse to. We're taking the general....
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#107
Fixing the voter suppression and finding out the depth of Russian interference are not campaign
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#121
Most headlines are inaccurate clickbait, so yeah. But it's a new poll and as such...
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#99
I agree that she overreached because their polling was pretty flawed. From what I understand they
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#109
Ken the Newsweek article is about the --minority-- of Sanders voters who did not vote Dem in the GE
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#4
I do not believe applegrove posted the article to invalidate the Sander's campaign
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#8
If you go to JPR you will see the mindset that produced this. Its twisted and tortured but its there
stevenleser
Aug 2017
#38
I'm not saying JPR has more than a hundred or so sick individuals. The point is however, the talking
stevenleser
Aug 2017
#95
Seems to me that before any conclusions can be drawn, the data has to be corrected for voter
diva77
Aug 2017
#10
I get what you're saying. My point is that even if those people voted the way they say they voted,
diva77
Aug 2017
#88
The Democratic Party had better come out with a strong, clear and concise message, or it won't be
rpannier
Aug 2017
#14
One message won't work everywhere...we must tailor the message to the state.
Demsrule86
Aug 2017
#27
You always need Joe Manchin types for red states...we never had the majority without a big tent.
Demsrule86
Aug 2017
#106
Bernie's campaign didn't cause anyone who would otherwise voted HRC in the fall to avoid doing so.
Ken Burch
Aug 2017
#37
There is no question that some of those who supported Sen. Sanders refused to vote for
Demsrule86
Aug 2017
#105
He wasn't. Hillary would have done worse if he'd been barred from the primaries.
Ken Burch
Aug 2017
#52
"No chance of getting anyone with occupy values" to vote for HRC? That's patently false.
FreepFryer
Aug 2017
#57
You say "they" as if you claim some privileged understanding of an exceptionally diverse coalition.
FreepFryer
Aug 2017
#63
Your congoing effort to consider "them" a singular bloc betrays a need to oversimplify. Why? (nt)
FreepFryer
Aug 2017
#68
Again with the "they". Some did, some didn't. Seeking company in the depths of self-recrimination?
FreepFryer
Aug 2017
#72
Defensive & false."None of their values had been included in the primary discussion" is a giveaway.
FreepFryer
Aug 2017
#76
Knowing this was an active Russian effort to split the Democrats, did he do all he could to unite?
FreepFryer
Aug 2017
#73
Seee dossier's page 15 for a lot more on the Russian conspiracy to subvert the Democratic Party vote
FreepFryer
Aug 2017
#83
+1. Also have no interest - neither in absolution nor refighting the primary.
FreepFryer
Aug 2017
#80
So, basically, Sanders eventually exhorting people who voted for him in the primaries
stopbush
Aug 2017
#66
Logic? Math? Statistical scattering? I suppose you'll be using science and reason next!!
Bucky
Aug 2017
#82
It's often important we fend both off injury and keep safe our sacred cows
LanternWaste
Aug 2017
#113